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Does anyone else feel that Lords of War need to be restrained a bit more? Maybe a rule like, "Lords of War cannot exceed more than 25% of the army point value", just like how it is in Horus Heresy. Knights obviously wouldn't be affected, but it would eliminate things like Warhound and Revs in games under 2k.

This little thought passed my mind last night after I finished my 1750 league game, where my opponent brought a Warhound. The game only lasted 45 minutes.

What are Dakka's thoughts on this? LoW need to be resticted? Or keep it as is?

Thanks,

Lucarikx

My thoughts?

Super-heavies only in friendly games, with the other player's permission.

Well brining in a Warhound is not a regular 40K game now. It's not even an Escalation game, they are not allowed in Stronghold Assault games, it's an Apocalypse game only unit. That is the only way they can be fielded legally.

Now for him to bring it, in a regular 40K game, it has to be house ruled into it and you need to agree to play it.

There is a reason why Warhounds are not allowed in regular 40K games.

Personally, I think Forgeworld put it best.

Be warned! Super-heavy Tanks will dominate any game they are used in, and because of this it should be saved up for special occasions, rather than being wheeled out willy-nilly for every battle that is played.

Davor wrote:
Well brining in a Warhound is not a regular 40K game now. It's not even an Escalation game, they are not allowed in Stronghold Assault games, it's an Apocalypse game only unit. That is the only way they can be fielded legally.

Now for him to bring it, in a regular 40K game, it has to be house ruled into it and you need to agree to play it.

There is a reason why Warhounds are not allowed in regular 40K games.

Due to FW's list of Lords of War you can bring, Warhounds are A-ok now.

Lucarikx

Davor wrote:
Well brining in a Warhound is not a regular 40K game now. It's not even an Escalation game, they are not allowed in Stronghold Assault games, it's an Apocalypse game only unit. That is the only way they can be fielded legally.

Now for him to bring it, in a regular 40K game, it has to be house ruled into it and you need to agree to play it.

There is a reason why Warhounds are not allowed in regular 40K games.

Does your group allow Forgeworld? If so, check out their Lord of War FAQ, which adds Warhounds to most Imperium armies.

This is a touchy subject that I'm pretty sure you can find the answers to in threads from a few months ago.

My thoughts however differ from those on this thread.

I believe that since escalation is official in the same way black legion is, then I have no problem with someone showing up to any game with a super heavy. And by super heavy I mean a real super heavy and not that scratch build crap, scratch builders are what's ruining this game, not shoddy rules.

Besides if someone does the right things in life and lands a job where they can afford the high end expensive models, don't punish these people by not playing them, or calling them out, embrace them and realize its people like that who do the most to help keep the hobby going

This is one of the things that the rumored percentage based army build rules from the rumored 7th edition would really help rein in.

For instance, if the rumors are true, and they add lords of war to the basic rules, as well as setting, say, a cap of 25% of the points value to be used on lords of war, then the player wanting to take a Warhound in a regular game of 40k needs to be playing at 2880 points, or higher. Even Baneblades are going to be out of anything under 2100.

You wonna know how to "fix" lord of war?
You dont need to limit to 25% of the list or anything, you just need to take 3 simple actions:
1-Ban the revenant. (at least the whatever its called double D blaster)
2-Ban the warhound. (at least the turbo lasers)
3-Ban the C'tan. (no easy fix to him unfortunately)

All others, from escalation to forgeworld, stand between decent guys to underwhelming.
Its only when you enter multi-blast and template D weapons when things go crazy, D by itself as a single small blast or regular shot is not much of an issue. strong gun, but can be played around.
They are all either absurdly overcosted, not much of a threat but more of a tactical weapons, or something that can e played around.

And I'm not saying it outside of experience, I fought the tessract valut a few days ago, in mere 1000 points, and took it down. (and it featured sky of falling stars and seismic assault, so it did NOT lack firepower.)
I also took down an imperial knight a bit earlier, not the same as a LOW, but still a SW, and should be treated with respect.

Lords of War are fun, fluffy, and encourage new playstyles.
Try them out, just avoid the few OP choices.

Wait a sec, you wanna ban my warhound, ok ill take a Reaver, that has 8 StrD blasts.... banning the ones you dont like is non-sensical. the StrD rules need tweeking for normal games. thats all