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I noticed there was a 360 thread and I figured it wouldn't hurt to start a new one for PC players to share their thoughts.
I just started WoT tanks this past week. I'm heading towards the Panther and HATING the stupid DW2... Such a lame tank. At this point I'm about ready to just load purely HE rounds because I can't penetrate anything anyways. Anyone got any advice besides "tough it out" haha?
I felt the same way about the T50. Being a T4 "scout" thrown in to T7/T8 games sucked more than the actual tank, mind you.
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
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Melissia wrote: I felt the same way about the T50. Being a T4 "scout" thrown in to T7/T8 games sucked more than the actual tank, mind you.
No kidding. I've been thrown into tier 6/7 games CONSTANTLY with it... basically I'm just gaining xp through death... Though I was happy, I got a tier 6 kill with my tier 3 pz iii a my pz3a is probably my favorite backup tank. Quick, not too undergunned, makes for a decent scout.
I was in a platoon with my buddy using his tier 5 so that was for that one but the DW2 gets stuck in tier 6/7 matches regularly without platooning and even when platooning with my buddy's tier 4 TD. I think if I had the DW2 in proper matches of tier 4's, I wouldn't be in such a bad position... Oh wells. As you said, I best just take it until I get 10k more xp and go to the VK30.01H
Well that's weird, the D.W. 2 should't be getting tier 7 matches, I've never had that experience in a tier 4 tank that wasn't getting scout matchmaking (which the DW doesn't get).
And yeah, you are still going to have a bad time in tier 4 matches, especially if you run into a matilda or the like. But you will be able to kill more people than in tier 7 games. I'm seriously surprised you get them without platooning wrong.
I'm motyak in game, if you see me on I'll probably be keen to platoon if I'm flying solo, and I'll roll my Matilda with your DW.
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I wish I had time for all the game systems I own, let alone want to own...
I just started WoT tanks this past week. I'm heading towards the Panther and HATING the stupid DW2... Such a lame tank. At this point I'm about ready to just load purely HE rounds because I can't penetrate anything anyways. Anyone got any advice besides "tough it out" haha?
Use the 75mm and HE rounds or just buy gold ammo if you are having issues penetrating. The DW2 is widely regarded as being useless although I have never tried it myself, it does have decent side armour though so sidescraping should work well in it.
This is a key skill to learn if you have any interest in playing heavy (even some medium) tanks in WoT so you may as well start early.
The DW2 will only see tier 4-6 games just like nearly all tier 4 tanks and it doesn't have any special matchmaking limitations. If you platoon with a higher tier tank you only have yourself to blame.
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RegalPhantom wrote: If your fluff doesn't fit, change your fluff until it does
The prefect example of someone missing the point.
Do not underestimate the Squats. They survived for millenia cut off from the Imperium and assailed on all sides. Their determination and resilience is an example to us all.
-Leman Russ, Meditations on Imperial Command book XVI (AKA the RT era White Dwarf Commpendium).
Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
Warzone Plog
The T-50 shouldn't be getting in to Tier 7/8 matches, yet I consistently was
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog
how are the teams these days? i continue to check the forums but see thread after thread of complaints of fail players. this is why i stopped playing. i dont mind having awesome games where i do tons of damage in my Is or Is-2 and carry my team but it became tiresome after i was required to do it every single game. I also dont platoon very well as i am too much of a situational awareness person or i will often do something reckless to try and get my potato team an advantage.
Also if you have a tank that just plain sucks ( type 34, t34 or the vk2000 line) learn how to farm free exp. take a tank you can consistantly do well with and earn nice amounts of exp ( i aim for 1k exp without premium per game) and go to town. slowly you will rack up that free exp. i cant tell you how nice it was when i got my ferdi or tiger 2 and was able to fully upgrade it the first time out.
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Boblogik wrote: I was in a platoon with my buddy using his tier 5 so that was for that one but the DW2 gets stuck in tier 6/7 matches regularly without platooning and even when platooning with my buddy's tier 4 TD. I think if I had the DW2 in proper matches of tier 4's, I wouldn't be in such a bad position... Oh wells. As you said, I best just take it until I get 10k more xp and go to the VK30.01H
Like others have said your DW2 should never see tier 7's unless you platoon with a tank a tier higher then you or with a tank that gets scout match making.
Normal vehicles in WoT's will only ever see vehicles two tiers higher then them.
Vehicles with scout match making will see vehicles three tiers higher then them (except for the chaffee which can get into tier 10 games).
Premium vehicles will only see vehicles one tier higher then them.
This is all asumming that your running solo and not platooned with a vehicle of a higher tier or one that gets scout match making. To be slightly more specific if anyone cares, not all scout match making is the same, it's actually weighted. Scout match making actually veries from vehicle to vehicle but it's really only the percentage of time that a vehicle will see certain tiers. For example (not 100% sure that the percentages are correct but they should be close enough to show my point) the AMX 13 75 is a tier 7 French Scout, 10% of the time it will be in tier 7 games, 20% of the time it will be in tier 8 games, 60% of the time it will be in tier 9 games and 10% of the time it will be in tier 10 games.
The DW2 is right up there with the worst tanks in the game... None of the tier 4 tanks are perticularly good, but the DW2 is a special kind of bad. It's almost as bad as the M3 Lee. It does have one strong point though and thats that the armor is pretty much a uniform 50mm all the way around the tank. It's basically a metal box with treads and a turret and because of this you can be very effective by angling your armor 45 degrees from your enemy. Best of luck with the gun though...
It will all be worth it once you get the VK though, that tank has some excelant gun options.
Catyrpelius wrote: Vehicles with scout match making will see vehicles three tiers higher then them
Four tiers, unless this is a very recent change. I consistently faced off against XIII opponents on my IV scouts last month.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog
Overlord Thraka wrote: I=Being new to the game I state this. I REALLY HATE not knowing of what people speak. The things you say aren't even google-able
Ah, sorry.
I refer to tank tiers. Tanks are tiered 1 to 10 in the roman numeral system, and aside from scout tanks (light tanks), generally will only go in to battle with other thanks +/- 2 tiers from their own. Scouts however can face off against tanks four tiers above them, because there are no high-level scouts (highest tier scout, IIRC, was seven).
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog
Only 7k xp til I get to the vk30.01h... So slow. I am getting better at side scraping though. That video helped with proper technique, thanks for sharing that. I'm also going the German TD route to occupy myself when my dw2 is dead or I get frustrated with the DW2.
motyak wrote: Don't go the waffentrager line...so goddamn broken.
I don't like that tree, everything in it is extremely fragile, yes they have good guns but you need a good sniping position to make them work as return fire will kill you very quickly, this is only going to get worse after the next patch as TDs lose the last vestiges of their camo bonus.
From tier 8 up though they get pretty ridiculous damage.
The original German TD line is pretty average, I would suggest that you stop at the Hetzer (with the 105mm gun) as its one of its strongest vehicles and it doesn't take much grind to get.
RegalPhantom wrote: If your fluff doesn't fit, change your fluff until it does
The prefect example of someone missing the point.
Do not underestimate the Squats. They survived for millenia cut off from the Imperium and assailed on all sides. Their determination and resilience is an example to us all.
-Leman Russ, Meditations on Imperial Command book XVI (AKA the RT era White Dwarf Commpendium).
Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
Warzone Plog
motyak wrote: Don't go the waffentrager line...so goddamn broken.
It's broken pretty evenly though. Amazing guns, but they might as well not have an armor value.
Yeah, but you get one shot off at them for, what, 3 of theirs? 4? With crazy pen and damage? If they were all like the tier 8 then it wouldn't be too bad, but the auto loader just kills it and puts it over the top. But I don't want to gripe too much, this should be a fun thread for people learning to play Sorry for derailing it a bit
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I wish I had time for all the game systems I own, let alone want to own...
motyak wrote: Don't go the waffentrager line...so goddamn broken.
It's broken pretty evenly though. Amazing guns, but they might as well not have an armor value.
Yeah, but you get one shot off at them for, what, 3 of theirs? 4? With crazy pen and damage? If they were all like the tier 8 then it wouldn't be too bad, but the auto loader just kills it and puts it over the top. But I don't want to gripe too much, this should be a fun thread for people learning to play Sorry for derailing it a bit
Personally I'd rather be in my T110e3 or e4. Auto loaders are great... Until their empty. Correct me if I'm wrong but that beast has close to a miniute reload time.
Yeah I think one of the guns is a minute on the dot. I recently unlocked the Tortoise, so I'm finally on the way to my 183. Ahhh I can't wait. And I can't really complain about broken ass guns when I'm working towards that monster
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I wish I had time for all the game systems I own, let alone want to own...
motyak wrote: Yeah I think one of the guns is a minute on the dot. I recently unlocked the Tortoise, so I'm finally on the way to my 183. Ahhh I can't wait. And I can't really complain about broken ass guns when I'm working towards that monster
I just started working my way up that line, I'm only tier 6 though. Atleast with the 183 you only carry 13 rounds...
motyak wrote: Yeah I think one of the guns is a minute on the dot. I recently unlocked the Tortoise, so I'm finally on the way to my 183. Ahhh I can't wait. And I can't really complain about broken ass guns when I'm working towards that monster
I just started working my way up that line, I'm only tier 6 though. Atleast with the 183 you only carry 13 rounds...
It gets a bit rough at Tier 7, and the Tier 8 one I grew to love, but now that I've played the Tortoise I despise it. It struggles with Tier 10s, and can get penned in the gun mantlet by, well,a lot of people. It makes it a bit hard to run against people who know what they are doing. I found the change from the brawling AT 2 to the more snipey 8, 7 and 15 hardish to manage, I kept trying to play them the same. But still good fun.
And yeah, 13 rounds, but I'd be shocked if I ever lived long enough to run out of ammo, so it's all good.
I wish I had time for all the game systems I own, let alone want to own...
motyak wrote: Yeah I think one of the guns is a minute on the dot.
Think that's bad? The french Tier 10 artillery has an auto-loader. Takes over a minute to reload completely, but with its insane accuracy and AoE, combined with it having several shots... well, if you can get a cluster of tanks you can cripple half the enemy team in one salvo.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog
My AT 15 is well acquainted with that thrice-cursed auto-loading French arty piece. I wish I was able to play arty well enough to get it ha. I'll have to settle for working my way up to the bat chat medium.
I wish I had time for all the game systems I own, let alone want to own...
my pz3a is probably my favorite backup tank. Quick, not too undergunned, makes for a decent scout.
