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I need a build for CSM to use against nids and orks. Any suggestions?

Bolters, lots of bolters

Other than lots of bolters. Hive Tyrants are not fun to take down.

Lascannons, melta guns, multimeltas, deamon prince with a black mace... The list goes on, you should post a list you think might work and allow us to make suggestions. Having someone else build your army is no fun.

Power fists can make those monstrous creatures have a really bad day.

Power fists on sarges are actually useless. MC are gona just challenge you out.

For real? No one mentioned Noise marines?

Noise marines with Sonic Blasters, like bolters but you ignore cover and spit out 3 shots at 24 inches. You can also Take blastmasters for strength 8 ap3 goodness.
When the Nids get close you hit at the same time (Mostly) and you would have wiped out enough of them to carry the combat pretty easily.

Back this up with squads of Plasma toting chosen, or Melta..whatever really. These guys hunt down MC, light vehicles or Nob bikers for Orks .
Havocs are also a good option for this, or Obliterators. Anything really.

I have never lost a game against Tyranids, and I rarely lose to Orks. It is a VERY favorable match up for Chaos.

If you do want to get into close combat consider spawn or Nurgle bikers.

-Hxwlf

Hexwolf wrote:
For real? No one mentioned Noise marines?

Noise marines with Sonic Blasters, like bolters but you ignore cover and spit out 3 shots at 24 inches. You can also Take blastmasters for strength 8 ap3 goodness.
When the Nids get close you hit at the same time (Mostly) and you would have wiped out enough of them to carry the combat pretty easily.

Back this up with squads of Plasma toting chosen, or Melta..whatever really. These guys hunt down MC, light vehicles or Nob bikers for Orks .
Havocs are also a good option for this, or Obliterators. Anything really.

I have never lost a game against Tyranids, and I rarely lose to Orks. It is a VERY favorable match up for Chaos.

If you do want to get into close combat consider spawn or Nurgle bikers.

-Hxwlf

This lad knows what he says. Whenever my friend's Termagants and Hormagaunts appear within the range of my Sonic Blasters, they disappear. Blastmasters are cool when you want to mess them up from a farther distance, to put a wound or two on an MC, or snipe that pesky Venomthrope who gives improved cover saves like candy.

I have two Predators Annihilators devoted to Monster Hunting, but due to the aforementioned Venomthrope they often require some help. Otherwise, 1 salvo means 1 dead Carnifex.

Also, maybe Abaddon to take out big gribblies in combat. He also makes Chosen troops so you can take many flamers and any other special/heavy weapon you require.

no-one mentioned a heldrake yet? if you use a baleflamer in conjunction with a couple of rhinos, you can tankshock the approaching horde into a tight bunch, then the flamer can hit loads.

empty rhinos are a great tactic vs nids, as you can use them to get in their way, and the majority of things they have to kill them will either blow them up and kill a load of gaunts flowing through the bottleneck or will have to charge, and if the rhinos are in the middle of their army, that stops them coming forward & gives you another chance to shoot them all.

rhinos & tactics will give you a real edge.

Blast Masters, lots of Blast Masters....Will kill their hordes and MC's alike (unless they are flying or a T.Fex) and ignore cover. Such an awesome gun, the bane of space marines!

Well, actually, meltas and plasmas are bad at hunting nob bikers. They still get 4+ cover and 5+ fnp.

Baledrakes are good but hordes are one of the armies that can ignore drakes thanks to having cheaper troops. If a drake kills 6 bikers per turn, he makes more than a hundreed points back. If he kills 6 boyz, he gets 36 points back. Drake will probably kill enough across the game but vs the horde you need firepower on board turn one. One drake is still good to take down backfielders and clustered mobs. Two are probably gona be fine and find targets. Three are an overkill and will actually harm you more than help by leaving too many points in reserve.

As mentioned, Noize marines are good. Nurgle spawns + Lord/Sorc are good. Cause they're very tough and can handle the horde's hardhitters and massses alike. Others can be whaterver you want. Just keep in mind what needs to be shot at first and don't fall to distraction carnifexes.

Nurgle spawn. And maybe belakor. Then you get invisible nurgle spawn.

Ally in imperial guard. Volume of fire is (one of many) CSM's weaknesses.

Why has no one mentioned flamers?

Because when compared to other options CSM have they are crap.

If you run an ADL/strong hold full of noise marines, and have heldrakes, no orks/nids will hurt you.