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There is also another item to factor in which I think skews LoW; missions.

The event I played in used the Escalation missions which also change the game a bit. One mission had objectives providing armor/fleshbane to scoring units. Another mission had LoW able to destroy objectives and the third had LoW able to hold objectives. We had a person running multiple IK and a Warhound get pasted when Farsight Enclave Crisis Suits sat on objectives giving their Plasmaguns armorbane.

What this kind of event did for me is have me try and look at all kinds of crazy combos to see what I can do against it. Going into the event, I was worried about massed Necron fliers, FMC Demons, DE Lance Spam and another Revenant equipped army. LoW are not unbeatable, but do require army construction factoring them in. I faced a Reaver Titan and was very happy I had 18 Brightlances AND a Revenant.

Trasvi wrote:
Other good armies:
Tyranid flying army:
Taking 9 FMC's gives you a force which is difficult to deal with even with a full 2000pt army, let alone a 'crippled' one with 50% of points points tied up in Strength D Blast lords of war which cannot harm flyers.

Couldn't they just wait to shoot their strength D until they've grounded one of the fliers each turn?

Assuming they can get LOS and knock a flyer down with other shooting, that's still likely deleting a flyer each turn, right? I agree it's a good counter but the str D is still likely to kill stuff... at least if people roll grounding tests like I do

 RiTides wrote:

Trasvi wrote:
Other good armies:
Tyranid flying army:
Taking 9 FMC's gives you a force which is difficult to deal with even with a full 2000pt army, let alone a 'crippled' one with 50% of points points tied up in Strength D Blast lords of war which cannot harm flyers.

Couldn't they just wait to shoot their strength D until they've grounded one of the fliers each turn?

Assuming they can get LOS and knock a flyer down with other shooting, that's still likely deleting a flyer each turn, right? I agree it's a good counter but the str D is still likely to kill stuff... at least if people roll grounding tests like I do

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Possibly you ground a FMC each turn; even then, Strength D isn't nearly as good against Flyers as it is against vehicles. But look at the lists that people are posting even here: with 500-1000 points tied up in a Lord of War and Void Shields, and another 400-800 in mandatory troops & HQ's, they're not putting out a significant amount of shots either.
EG:
Farseer
Vect
Coteaz
2 x 10 Guardians, Brightlance
2 x 3 Eldar Jetbikes
1 x 5 Kabalite Warriors
1 x 1 Revenant Titan
1 x Void Shield Generator w/ 3 Void Shields

Can shoot at 5 targets max - more like 2, given the range of their weapons - hardly likely to shoot more than one FMC out of the air. On the other hand, they only get two rounds of shooting before the remaining 7 MC's reach combat with 20+ smash attacks. And given that a Strength D hit does only 3.5 wounds on average to a MC..., killing one isn't guaranteed.
The FMC list is one of the few 'normal' lists that I'd give a good chance of going up against anything.

If money was no obect, Everything was allowed and I didn't care about makeing friends?

HH Ad-mec useing the 40k FoC

HQ:
Magos
Troops:
Then-Thrall Adescularis
Lord of War:
Heresy Era Reavent Titan
-With 2 Laser Blasters of course!
And that still leaves about 100 or so points so, if i sat down and did the math it means i might has just enough for a Agis Defense line for the magos to shoot with his BS4. lmao


And that's why in 30k, their are point restrictions on Lord of War choices.


Bassicly I'm always going to get 1st blood, and all it will take is a single volly of D blasts to get me Slay the warlord. Once I know i"ve killed all your melta I then walk up with the Reavent for line breaker.

So what does that Heresy shenanigans do anyway?

 Lockark wrote:
If money was no obect, Everything was allowed and I didn't care about makeing friends?

HH Ad-mec useing the 40k FoC

HQ:
Magos
Troops:
Then-Thrall Adescularis
Lord of War:
Heresy Era Reavent Titan
-With 2 Laser Blasters of course!
And that still leaves about 100 or so points so, if i sat down and did the math it means i might has just enough for a Agis Defense line for the magos to shoot with his BS4. lmao


And that's why in 30k, their are point restrictions on Lord of War choices.


Bassicly I'm always going to get 1st blood, and all it will take is a single volly of D blasts to get me Slay the warlord. Once I know i"ve killed all your melta I then walk up with the Reavent for line breaker.

Use a HH list, use the HH FOC.

Also, tech-thrall adsecularis cannot be used as your mandatory troops choice. It must be either Thallaxi or Castellaxi.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:


Use a HH list, use the HH FOC.

Also, tech-thrall adsecularis cannot be used as your mandatory troops choice. It must be either Thallaxi or Castellaxi.

Age of Darkness is a expansion. I can't go to a tournament useing a planet strike FoC, and planetstrike specail rules. Most tournaments i see that allow the HH list, expects you to use the normal 40k FoC chart. (Other wise I'm getting a extra HQ and elite slot with no down side.)

If I can use the HH-FoC charts, then I can take just a Ravent Titan with a allied magos+Castellaxi useing my Levithan FoC! XD
(A FoC my HH/40k group took one look at and unanimously house rules that it dosen't exist.)

You are right the Tech-Thralls, i forgot that. lol

 Lockark wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:


Use a HH list, use the HH FOC.

Also, tech-thrall adsecularis cannot be used as your mandatory troops choice. It must be either Thallaxi or Castellaxi.

Age of Darkness is a expansion. I can't go to a tournament useing a planet strike FoC, and planetstrike specail rules. Most tournaments i see that allow the HH list, expects you to use the normal 40k FoC chart. (Other wise I'm getting a extra HQ and elite slot with no down side.)

If I can use the HH-FoC charts, then I can take just a Ravent Titan with a allied magos+Castellaxi useing my Levithan FoC! XD
(A FoC my HH/40k group took one look at and unanimously house rules that it dosen't exist.)

You are right the Tech-Thralls, i forgot that. lol

Well not with no downside - Forge World more readily restricts Lords of War.

But in any case, that's kind of silly - that'd be like telling people to use the Inquisition codex, but expecting normal 40k FOC. There's no reason to change the FoC allowed to each army.

WTF is a Ravent titan? You mean Revenant?

It's that I make bizzare typos when on my cell phone. Lol

Also the age of darkness game type isn't the same thing as the inq's or knight's special foc's. The wording is quite diffrent.

Id love to see the Thunderhawk full of Tech priests and master of the forge, floating around being nearly unkillable as most D are templates.

Trasvi wrote:

 RiTides wrote:

Trasvi wrote:
Other good armies:
Tyranid flying army:
Taking 9 FMC's gives you a force which is difficult to deal with even with a full 2000pt army, let alone a 'crippled' one with 50% of points points tied up in Strength D Blast lords of war which cannot harm flyers.

Couldn't they just wait to shoot their strength D until they've grounded one of the fliers each turn?

Assuming they can get LOS and knock a flyer down with other shooting, that's still likely deleting a flyer each turn, right? I agree it's a good counter but the str D is still likely to kill stuff... at least if people roll grounding tests like I do

'''

Possibly you ground a FMC each turn; even then, Strength D isn't nearly as good against Flyers as it is against vehicles. But look at the lists that people are posting even here: with 500-1000 points tied up in a Lord of War and Void Shields, and another 400-800 in mandatory troops & HQ's, they're not putting out a significant amount of shots either.
EG:
Farseer
Vect
Coteaz
2 x 10 Guardians, Brightlance
2 x 3 Eldar Jetbikes
1 x 5 Kabalite Warriors
1 x 1 Revenant Titan
1 x Void Shield Generator w/ 3 Void Shields

Can shoot at 5 targets max - more like 2, given the range of their weapons - hardly likely to shoot more than one FMC out of the air. On the other hand, they only get two rounds of shooting before the remaining 7 MC's reach combat with 20+ smash attacks. And given that a Strength D hit does only 3.5 wounds on average to a MC..., killing one isn't guaranteed.
The FMC list is one of the few 'normal' lists that I'd give a good chance of going up against anything.

In my list with 4 strength D large blasts I still have 3 serpents, 2 split firing shuiken cannons, and 12 void shields. That should be enough to ground at least one of your pesky fliers. Then my lynx's go into flier mode, and then you cant hurt me either.

You can only have 1 lynx I think. In fact, you can only ever have 1 of any superheavy. So that's 2 str D blasts.

If you have not, discuss how to deal with some of a unit outside void shield range and the rest within. Rules are not clear and one interpretation is very abusable. This came up the first weekend we played with the Void Shield Generator.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
You can only have 1 lynx I think. In fact, you can only ever have 1 of any superheavy. So that's 2 str D blasts.

Double force org baby

 ninjafiredragon wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
You can only have 1 lynx I think. In fact, you can only ever have 1 of any superheavy. So that's 2 str D blasts.

Double force org baby

The Lord of War is a separate detachment.

You can double your primary detachment at 2000, which also allows you to take a second allied detachment (BRB).

Although now that you mention it, the BRB may say something to the effect of "can double your force organization chart" rather than "can take a second Primary Detachment." I'll have to look that up. For now, carry on, XD

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

 ninjafiredragon wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
You can only have 1 lynx I think. In fact, you can only ever have 1 of any superheavy. So that's 2 str D blasts.

Double force org baby

The Lord of War is a separate detachment.

You can double your primary detachment at 2000, which also allows you to take a second allied detachment (BRB).

Although now that you mention it, the BRB may say something to the effect of "can double your force organization chart" rather than "can take a second Primary Detachment." I'll have to look that up. For now, carry on, XD

I do hope you dont ruin my fun xD