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Dakka,

I'm looking for a tyranid list to put together over the next year or so, and I tend to buy what I find interesting and hope the meta changes to make it viable for a few months. I'd like to avoid the tyranid netlist because by the time I actually build this, it will have changed and I'm not that competitive.

*Edit*

HQ (dropped foot tyrant)
Prime Deathspitter

Elite (dropped zoeys)
2 Hive Guard
2 Hive Guard
2 Venomthrope

Troops (Swapped a small swarm for an actual castle)
30 Termagaunts, 20 spike rifles, 10 devourers
30 Termagaunts, 20 spike rifles, 10 devourers
3 Warriors, Barbed Strangler
3 Warriors, Barbed Strangler

Subterranean Assault
Trygon Prime
Trygon
Mawloc
3 Ravener, Devourers, one rending claw
3 Ravener, Devourers, one rending claw
3 Ravener, Devourers, one rending claw

A handful of points left over.

*Edit*

Subterranean Assault with a bit of a shooty alpha strike, mixed with a castle of gaunts and warriors. The prime is attached to the termagaunts for protection.

I took posters excellent advice that my list lacked synapse, and I decided that I was trying to do too much. I'm not interested in FMCs. I will have a problem with Av 11+ flyers, but oh well.

I've never played nids before. Is something like this even viable?

Hard to tell what you want to accomplish here. You want something viable, without playing a netlist? You are playing the worst codex possible for that. We have very little in the way of "viable" alternative options. Also, your reason for not wanting the netlist is "because by the time I actually build this, it will have changed and I'm not that competitive" ? Well if it's changed, then your list will no longer be competitive right?

What netlist exactly have you seen?

I get you want something a bit unique, what playstyle are you looking for and any units you like the sound of specifically?

As above really.

The net lists for Nids aren't likely to change. Skyblight is just too far ahead of anything else.

Even if the rumours are true for 6.5edt assault being better, we still don't have a delivery system unless we can run and charge. I will happily eat my own hat though.

Sub Swarm is a good way for fun, reliable, half decent killing.
Extra support is needed, so you need to build the list around it. Some Shrieks will help with synapse. 2 small broods of 4 will be good, armed for combat. Some Warriors for backfield synapse and some Gauntsin reserve to pop out of the Trygon hole. If they don't make the hole then they can score backfield with the Warriors.

You basically need a fast list for Sub Swarm. A walking Tyrant won't do much here and soaks to many points.

Thanks for the post Eskimo, that is what I was looking for.

Flyrants just seem really fragile if single seeker missile puts them down, but I guess it is the best bad option.

Andy06r wrote:
Dakka,

I'm looking for a tyranid list to put together over the next year or so, and I tend to buy what I find interesting and hope the meta changes to make it viable for a few months. I'd like to avoid the tyranid netlist because by the time I actually build this, it will have changed and I'm not that competitive.

HQ
Hive Tyrant, Stranglethorn, Miasma Cannon, Norn
2 Tyrant Guard

Elite
2 Zoanthrope
2 Zoanthrope

Troops
18 Termagaunts
18 Termagaunts
20 Hormagaunts
20 Hormagaunts

Subterranean Assault
Trygon Prime
Trygon
Mawloc
4 Ravener
4 Ravener
4 Ravener

*Or*
Drop the formation, 4 raveners, turn Trygon into Mawloc, and run 2x30 hormagaunts and Raveners on the table to be less concerned with reserve rolls.

The list is pretty obvious, I think. Hard to kill warlord with 24" synapse at mid field, ~80 gaunts and zoeys, forward synapse from the Prime either as part of a formation or as a heavy. I'm not willing to pay the tax for a comms relay...

I've never played nids before. Is something like this even viable? Please don't link me the net list, I've seen it - not interested.

Looks "OK". You look a might low on Synapse. At higher point games Synapse hunting becomes a strong strategy, and everybody has the resources to do it. So I'd reccomend some more Synapse...a Warrior Brood or two can hide in cover and supply some extra.

Putting wings on the tyrant is annother option, you have points available in the form of Tyrant Guard. It improves survival, and lets you send it where its needed. Having the big tunnel formation does help a lot though, it puts so much pressure on the backfield that your enemy will be hard pressed to hunt your Synapse.

You don't look to have many easy sources of points , other than the Norn Crown. So it's hard to see how to modify your list. If I wanted a big bubble Tyrant, I'd first look at a Tyrant Node Formation. (Tyrant,must walk,3 Guard,Veno Brood. Special rule: +6" Synapse to Tyrant) Toss in a Cannon and thats what you have, plus extra Cover save power

I'm a big fan of Tunnel assault, so I say give it a go!

Can you take two formations in the same list? Is that even legal?

One option would be to alter the list to just not care about synapse. Swap zoeys for hive guard, swap termaguants for warriors with a cannon. IB on hive guard isn't terrible if it came to that.

A single flyrant in a list with no other flyers just seems to he an easy kill.

You can take as many formations as like! Pg 1 or 2 on the dataslates

The Artilery Node for re-rolls to hit with Exocrine + Biovores might work well with the Sub Swarm?

The Endless Swarm and Sub Swarm would be tight at 1750pts. I've not even counted it. But Sub Swarm IIRC 860pts minimum.

What you thinking?


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Andy06r wrote:
Thanks for the post Eskimo, that is what I was looking for.

Flyrants just seem really fragile if single seeker missile puts them down, but I guess it is the best bad option.

Sorry forgot to reply to this.

I was under the impression you wanted to avoid "auto-takes"?
The Flyrant with Devourers is literally our best HQ by miles unless fielding a swarm, to which a Prime is better imo.

However a Flyrant on it's own is weak as you mentioned. That's why everyone takes 2.

If you wanted to be mildly different. A Flyrant with Electro grubs is only 210pts. Get him into combat, and he will happily murder a Tac squad, finishing combat in the enemy's turn. Add a lashwhip and sword to take on Wraithknights.

Nids are hard to work with for sure.

I editted my list. I decided the primary detachment didn't have a purpose. I rearranged it into a scoring castle that can advance into midfield.

Andy06r wrote:
Dakka,

I'm looking for a tyranid list to put together over the next year or so, and I tend to buy what I find interesting and hope the meta changes to make it viable for a few months. I'd like to avoid the tyranid netlist because by the time I actually build this, it will have changed and I'm not that competitive.

*Edit*

HQ (dropped foot tyrant)
Prime Deathspitter

Elite (dropped zoeys)
2 Hive Guard
2 Hive Guard
2 Venomthrope

Troops (Swapped a small swarm for an actual castle)
30 Termagaunts, 20 spike rifles, 10 devourers
30 Termagaunts, 20 spike rifles, 10 devourers
3 Warriors, Barbed Strangler
3 Warriors, Barbed Strangler

Subterranean Assault
Trygon Prime
Trygon
Mawloc
3 Ravener, Devourers, one rending claw
3 Ravener, Devourers, one rending claw
3 Ravener, Devourers, one rending claw

A handful of points left over.

*Edit*

Subterranean Assault with a bit of a shooty alpha strike, mixed with a castle of gaunts and warriors. The prime is attached to the termagaunts for protection.

I took posters excellent advice that my list lacked synapse, and I decided that I was trying to do too much. I'm not interested in FMCs. I will have a problem with Av 11+ flyers, but oh well.

I've never played nids before. Is something like this even viable?

Sure, though as you've noted, you're basicly helpless vs fliers The closest thing you have is Hive guard, and you don't have enough shots to be confident of even getting a hit. You can just try ignoring them and try to smash your enemy before you get pounded....but it seems like a risky strategy.

Instead of Spike Rifles, I'd build the big Termigant Broods as 10 Devilgaunts+ 20 Spinegaunts/vanilla Termigants. It is more expensive, but you have some points saved right now, and you can cut to find the rest. (Like build the Brood smaller, without a Tervigon, you have no need for 30x size Broods.)

While a lone Flier is vulrable, a Winged Dakka'rant is a terrific anti air asset.