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Ok so here goes:

Space Marines CT- Ultramarines

HQ
Chaplin Cassius
130pts

TROOPS
10 Marines
Rhino
175pts

10 Marines
140 pts

5 Scouts
Sniper Rifles
60pts

ELITES

10 Terminators
1xCyclone ML
425pts

5 Legion of the Dammned
Plasma Gun
Meltagun
150 pts

HEAVY SUPPORT
1x Thunderfire Cannon
100 pts

5 Devastator Squad
4x Plasma Cannons
130 pts

FAST ATTACK

3 Bike Squad
2xGrav Guns
93pts

3 Bike Squad
2xGrav Guns
93pts

TOTAL 1496pts

Advice needed he runs Swarmlord who I will ignore. and loads of gene stealers hence the volume of fire.

I camp the TFC and devs in any available cover and then advance the Teminators with Cassius across the board. I use my bikes to mop up any MC he has by shooting and retreating.
Tac squads camp on objectives.

Any thoughts?


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By the way he doesn't have any flyers that i know of hence the lack of AA


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Take out the termies, legion of the damned, and scouts. Give your tac squads a special weapon and put them in drop pods. Swap the plasma cannons for lascannons, add a unit of sternguard, and if your set on those bikes add some more to each squad.

Drop pods tend to mess up nids because you can focus fire on their synapse creatures and render alot of their army useless on your alpha strike

Why take out the terminators the nids can't touch a 2+ save.

Why take out the terminators the nids can't touch a 2+ save.

Nids have a lot of tools in their war-chest to get around that 2+save; for example, if you fail to take out their synapse early, a nid player can just throw a full unit of gargoyles or 'gaunts at them. Yes, the termies will win, but it'll take 2-3 turns to get through all that fearless body-mass, allowing the nid player to munch on the softer bits of your army. Also, the nids do have access to plasma from exocrines and plasma-barfing carnifexs.

The terminators are just too expensive and can be countered by a unit at half their cost. Now, they can work, but you have to work really hard in creating tactics to overcome the two above mentioned scenarios.

Cosmic_Seth wrote:

Why take out the terminators the nids can't touch a 2+ save.

Nids have a lot of tools in their war-chest to get around that 2+save; for example, if you fail to take out their synapse early, a nid player can just throw a full unit of gargoyles or 'gaunts at them. Yes, the termies will win, but it'll take 2-3 turns to get through all that fearless body-mass, allowing the nid player to munch on the softer bits of your army. Also, the nids do have access to plasma from exocrines and plasma-barfing carnifexs.

The terminators are just too expensive and can be countered by a unit at half their cost. Now, they can work, but you have to work really hard in creating tactics to overcome the two above mentioned scenarios.

No argument...but adding Big Bugs can Smash for AP2.. The main way Tyranids can beat Terminators is volume of attacks, if you roll buckets of saves, some will come up 1's....the best simple thing I can suggest is build you Tac sqds with a Flamer, and a Heavy Bolter in each sqd....cheap, easy, effective. I don't think you Need drop pods, but one or two sure can't hurt. In general you need to deal with two threats 1) Big Bugs, so you need monster hunting teams. 2) Swarms, if you can't deal, you'll be overwhelmed. So you need to have tools. The Thunderfire is a big step in the right direction. A tank or two is also almost always a useful expenditure.

If you're "custom building" don't Smurfs have Tyrannic war vetrans? There might be something there to grab onto...?

Oh, and get some anti-air assets, 'cause Big Bugs can often fly