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2014/04/25 13:25:53
Subject: Interesting Quote on the Bundy Cattle Case
d-usa wrote: So Bundy willingly breaks the law, lies about having claims to the land since before statehood when it turns out that his family purchased the farm long after it was federal land and didn't purchase water rights and didn't even out cattle on federal land until after the BLM was a thing, ignores court orders for 20 years, doubles down on his racist remarks, calls up militias that show up bragging about using women as human shields, and the BLM is the bad guy even though they didn't violate any rules or guidelines?
Welcome to "Whose Dakka Is It Anyway: where the truth is made up, and the facts don't matter."
You guys must really love the Mexican drug cartels, with their standing up to the federal government regarding imigration and drug enforcement and such. Truly libertarian heroes those folks are, and pure capitalists as well.
d-usa wrote: "When the Internet sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending posters that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing strawmen. They're bringing spam. They're trolls. And some, I assume, are good people."
2014/04/25 13:25:54
Subject: Re:Interesting Quote on the Bundy Cattle Case
Kanluwen wrote: Now though with the ratcheting up of rhetoric and the founding of the Tea Party, they have been given a measure of legitimacy by Republican politicians that is disturbing.
And let's not forget that the Tea Party is also responsible for the rise of neo-Nazism, the gang violence problem in Chicago, the disappearance of flight MH370, the Haiti earthquake, and the Seahawks' victory over the Broncos.
On another note, I predict that within ten years, nobody's even going to bother to type on fora anymore. They'll just post video clips and image memes at each other.
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2014/04/25 13:27:16
Subject: Interesting Quote on the Bundy Cattle Case
It would be good of them to admit to all that, yes.
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2014/04/25 13:32:04
Subject: Re:Interesting Quote on the Bundy Cattle Case
Kanluwen wrote: Now though with the ratcheting up of rhetoric and the founding of the Tea Party, they have been given a measure of legitimacy by Republican politicians that is disturbing.
And let's not forget that the Tea Party is also responsible for the rise of neo-Nazism, the gang violence problem in Chicago, the disappearance of flight MH370, the Haiti earthquake, and the Seahawks' victory over the Broncos.
Touched a nerve, did I?
The Tea Party when it was founded could have been a good thing. But it ended up becoming a disjointed mess where the lunatic fringe has an echo chamber effect going in there. It is fascinating to look at the membership of the Tea Party and the ideology of its members.
2014/04/25 13:36:32
Subject: Re:Interesting Quote on the Bundy Cattle Case
On another note, I predict that within ten years, nobody's even going to bother to type on fora anymore. They'll just post video clips and image memes at each other.
And so it will be as it was in the beginning. When the internet was a place where nerds made vague references to one another that no one else understood (and watched porn).
MrDwhitey wrote: It would be good of them to admit to all that, yes.
I agree. I can't promise anything, but I'll suggest it at the next joint "Klan/Tea Party/veteran/innocent lacrosse player/whatever else North Carolina progressives don't like," meeting.
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Kanluwen wrote: It is fascinating to look at the membership of the Tea Party and the ideology of its members.
A cougar man, eh?
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2014/04/25 13:41:17
Subject: Interesting Quote on the Bundy Cattle Case
We all can agree that he never had a legal leg to stand on... All he really had was the public's empathy of a rancher in the face of BLM's bullying tactic.
But now after his racist rant.... he's PR poison as folks won't be able to separate his rant from BLM's actions.
Interestingly though... now the left is warming up to him for his pro-amnesty views.
"Now let me talk about the Spanish people," Bundy said in a new video unearthed by New York magazine, right after he concluded his thoughts on "the Negro."
"I understand that they come over here against our Constitution and cross our borders," he says. "But they're here and they're people. I worked side-by-side a lot of them. Don't tell me they don't work, and don't tell me they don't pay taxes. And don't tell me they don't have better family structures than most of us white people."
"When you see those Mexican families, they're together. They picnic together. They're spending their time together," he said. "I'll tell you, in my way of thinking, they're awful nice people. We need to have those people join us and be with us."
This story continues to be fethed up in every which way to thy kingdom come.
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2014/04/25 13:46:27
Subject: Re:Interesting Quote on the Bundy Cattle Case
Seaward wrote:I agree. I can't promise anything, but I'll suggest it at the next joint "Klan/Tea Party/veteran/innocent lacrosse player/whatever else North Carolina progressives don't like," meeting.
Please do.
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2014/04/25 13:47:41
Subject: Interesting Quote on the Bundy Cattle Case
His public empathy hinged on a lie to begin with: his claim of "my family has been herding cattle here and using his land before the federal government was ever here".
He is a self serving racist welfare queen.
2014/04/25 13:48:35
Subject: Interesting Quote on the Bundy Cattle Case
What difference does it make at this point? *haven't I been?
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d-usa wrote: His public empathy hinged on a lie to begin with: his claim of "my family has been herding cattle here and using his land before the federal government was ever here".
He is a self serving racist welfare queen.
Nah... to me it's always was the BLM's tactic.
Bundy had nothing really.
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2014/04/25 13:55:06
Subject: Interesting Quote on the Bundy Cattle Case
But now after his racist rant.... he's PR poison as folks won't be able to separate his rant from BLM's actions
Or you know, we can all just admit to the basic reality that he's a nut case, who can't even prove wrong doing on the part of BLM beyond some other nutcases who showed up to agitate a comparatively minor dispute and now people want to completely ignore his actions and focus on a fictional narrative where BLM is the bad guy.
When one side can't even get basic facts straight because they're too busy trying to turn a turd into gold, the only solution is the bombard them meme's, because actually talking about anything is pointless.
But now after his racist rant.... he's PR poison as folks won't be able to separate his rant from BLM's actions
Or you know, we can all just admit to the basic reality that he's a nut case, who can't even prove wrong doing on the part of BLM beyond some other nutcases who showed up to agitate a comparatively minor dispute and now people want to completely ignore his actions and focus on a fictional narrative where BLM is the bad guy.
When one side can't even get basic facts straight because they're too busy trying to turn a turd into gold, the only solution is the bombard them meme's, because actually talking about anything is pointless.
And so it continues.
Haven't I said that? o.O
So... you don't like Harry Reid either...right*?
Don't forget, he said this:
To whom he described as a "light skinned" African-American "with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one".
And yet, he's the Senate Majority Leader.
*I think he's just as nutso for the record.
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2014/04/25 14:04:13
Subject: Interesting Quote on the Bundy Cattle Case
And we have "but the guy somebody else likes said negro too once" response that completely ignores the actual meat of the racist statement and tries to rally his enemies behind the "can't we all just agree that everybody sucks even though I usually talk about how your guy sucks worse" banner.
2014/04/25 14:05:40
Subject: Interesting Quote on the Bundy Cattle Case
I go into threads complaining about how politics in the US is a complete cluster feth oriented around ranting idealogues devoid of any perspective or factual validty. Do you think I like any US politicians?
P.S. I kind of liked Bush Jr. but come on, he's so hapless and tried so hard. I think all he ever needed was a hug.
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d-usa wrote: And we have "but the guy somebody else likes said negro too once" response that completely ignores the actual meat of the racist statement and tries to rally his enemies behind the "can't we all just agree that everybody sucks even though I usually talk about how your guy sucks worse" banner.
Hey... everyone does suck... but your guy is worst! I can definitely do that.
I go into threads complaining about how politics in the US is a complete cluster feth oriented around ranting idealogues devoid of any perspective or factual validty. Do you think I like any US politicians?
Good point.
P.S. I kind of liked Bush Jr. but come on, he's so hapless and tried so hard. I think all he ever needed was a hug.
Totally agree... You should've seen me during the Bush's presidency... he just drove me nuts.
And yea, he needed a hug.
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2014/04/25 14:12:08
Subject: Interesting Quote on the Bundy Cattle Case
Frankly I see the senate leader's comment as an old-fashioned form of words fairly typical of an older person, unfortunate to the modern ear but not indicating any malicious thinking.
Frankly I see the senate leader's comment as an old-fashioned form of words fairly typical of an older person, unfortunate to the modern ear but not indicating any malicious thinking.
Oh... so, because he's on your team, it's okay.... is that it?
Think about it for a bit: Reid was remarking apparently with some amazement on the nation's highest-ranking black Democrat at the time as being notably "light-skinned" and having "no Negro dialect unless he wanted to have one."
Let that sink in for bit. If you don't see it, then there's no point in discussing further.
EDIT: if it wasn't a big deal, why did he apologize? (which, we should applaud Reid for doing so)
The Bundy comments are just vile racist filth.
Agreed.
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2014/04/25 15:07:17
Subject: Re:Interesting Quote on the Bundy Cattle Case
Hordini wrote: Why do you want to hear justification for something that there is no reason to justify? Just because some people might have supported him before for something unrelated to this, doesn't mean they should support him being a racist.
I might be playing devils advocate here, but was it really intended to be racist? Ultimately he said that people traded one set of chains for another (real for financial), and there is more than a grain of truth in that statement. Admittedly he said it in such a weird "antiquated" way that it just sounds ignorant and racist to us modern folk (I assume he has been frozen in ice since the 1890s right?). However he didn't seem to be inciting ill will towards black people (well aside from assuming that they all live in the ghetto). In a weird way he actually appeared to have their best interests at heart, wanting them to have things like family, meaning in their lives, and 'more' freedom. I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt and say that he wasn't advocating slavery by pointing out that there are worse things.
No, he isnt. And I can tell you this, It is OUR fault people are stuck like that. With Redlining of black neighborhoods, Denying Black GIs the ability to buy homes in suburbs after the war. Alot of Racist policies created urban blight.
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2014/04/25 15:09:09
Subject: Re:Interesting Quote on the Bundy Cattle Case
Interestingly I didn't see Senator Reid's comments as terribly racist, or certainly not intended to be as such.
It's not surprising that Bundy is a racist, he's old. Old enough to be brought up in a segregated environment, or at least still with those attitudes remaining from those around. Doesn't justify it though mind you. Perhaps he has dementia? He seems demented.
It would be interesting to know the circumstances of how his parents acquired the farm. Why the farmers had to sell it and the circumstances surrounding the ending of that tradition.
I'm more disappointed that there's not been some kind of shootout. Why isn't your federal government putting their jackboots to the neck of this farmer and his patriotic buddies?
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d-usa wrote: "He doesn't sound like a black guy" vs. "black people are aborting kids and are lazy and don't have any goals because we quit keeping them as slaves".
If you can't see a difference there it is only because you don't want to see it.
One's quite racist, one's even more racist.
"He doesn't sound like a black guy," is some good water-carrying for, "He speaks with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one," by the way.
2014/04/25 15:15:04
Subject: Interesting Quote on the Bundy Cattle Case
We have Paul Ryan, Tea Party darling and recipient of welfare.
Nothing in your article indicates that they don't get any government handouts nor that they are self serving. It doesn't address racist tendencies either.
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