More than three in four Tea Party supporters (78 percent) have never attended a rally or donated to a group; most have also not visited a Tea Party Web site.

 Seaward wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
"He doesn't sound like a black guy" vs. "black people are aborting kids and are lazy and don't have any goals because we quit keeping them as slaves".

If you can't see a difference there it is only because you don't want to see it.

One's quite racist, one's even more racist.

"He doesn't sound like a black guy," is some good water-carrying for, "He speaks with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one," by the way.

 d-usa wrote:

Spoiler:

What we do know is stuff like this:

 LordofHats wrote:
I don't know about that one specifically, but I could believe it. I've seen some pretty dumb protestor signs in my limited time

It also makes sense from the perspective of the Tea Party. As Seaward showed, many Tea Partiers are older, so we can assume some are on Medicare and the ACA kicked up around that same time.

 Seaward wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:
I don't know about that one specifically, but I could believe it. I've seen some pretty dumb protestor signs in my limited time

It also makes sense from the perspective of the Tea Party. As Seaward showed, many Tea Partiers are older, so we can assume some are on Medicare and the ACA kicked up around that same time.

Seaward also showed they make more than average, so while Medicare's a possibility, welfare seems dubious.

 Ouze wrote:
It would be nice to try and get the thread on track. I've got a gutsy feeling that Mr. Bundy has more insights to share with us, I'd like to discuss them here, and the off-topic comments, while obviously useful for those who wish us to concentrate elsewhere (anywhere else) , only serve to get the thread locked (again)

 d-usa wrote:
Well, I'm sure none of them ever got any kind of welfare or government handout or government program...

 Seaward wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
Well, I'm sure none of them ever got any kind of welfare or government handout or government program...

Are we moving the goalposts from "welfare" to "any government program" already?

 Seaward wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
Well, I'm sure none of them ever got any kind of welfare or government handout or government program...

Are we moving the goalposts from "welfare" to "any government program" already?

 LordofHats wrote:
They're the same thing. People have simply convinced themselves they're not to justify taking government handouts when it suits them and pretend they're different from the lazy layabouts who want free money/stuff.

 Medium of Death wrote:
It's probably not a photoshop if this video is any kind of indicator. This was posted in a thread from many months back.

 Ouze wrote:
It would appear that Sean Hannity is now, sort of, distancing himself from Mr. Bundy.

Keeping true to the theme, he admits that Mr. Bundy's comments were awful, but, BLM

 Ouze wrote:
It would be nice to try and get the thread on track. I've got a gutsy feeling that Mr. Bundy has more insights to share with us, I'd like to discuss them here, and the off-topic comments, while obviously useful for those who wish us to concentrate elsewhere (anywhere else) , only serve to get the thread locked (again)

Cliven Bundy Racism Exposes The “Cattle Battle” Fraud

After weeks of spouting off about land rights and the constitution Nevada cattle rancher Cliven Bundy popped the cork on the racism bubbling right beneath the surface of his stand – off with the federal government. And in barely a few hours everyone on the right wing from Senators to political pundits who days ago called him a ‘hero’ have been running from him faster than a stampede from a brush fire. Which is telling, because Bundy’s racial beliefs should have nothing to do with the validity of his protests. But his words, and the rapid evaporation of his support from the political and pundit class shows that racial animus was always at the heart of this entire conflict.

During a recent press conference with a few reporters Bundy decided to get philosophical about “The Negro”

I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro,” he said. Mr. Bundy recalled driving past a public-housing project in North Las Vegas, “and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids — and there is always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch — they didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for their kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for their young girls to do.

“And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?” he asked. “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”

I bet Solomon Northrup would disagree. Now to be fair, he had plenty of nice things to say about Hispanics, but I think the die has already been cast. Bundy’s attitude is not surprising for a man of his race and age. More importantly his belief that African Americans were happier, more noble, thrifty, hard working or responsible, in some mythical past time period (when discrimination against African Americans was legal, and socially acceptable) has been echoed by various other public figures in the last year from celebrity chef Paula Deen, Duck Dynasty Star Phil Robertson and most recently by former Republican VP pick Paul Ryan (R-WI) . However, Bundy being a racist should have no bearing on whether or not you believed in his claim that the federal government had no authority to actually require him to pay grazing fees. Unless of course you’re a racist too and Bundy’s rant just blew the cover off of your covert rant against Obama.


Cliven Bundy, like George Zimmerman, like Phil Robertson, like Paula Deen is a dog whistle, a cultural cudgel with which to attack the United States, and specifically the first African American president who sits in the White House. The right wing in America, whether it be Sean Hannity or Alex Jones, realized during the “Birther” debacle that blatantly screaming “There is no way I will suffer the authority of a negro in the White House” gains them no favor with mainstream America. Obama got elected, twice, by a lot of Blacks, Asians, Latinos and whites, and blatantly attacking the president racially is offensive to a good many Americans. However, hiding that racism by championing the actions of undeclared bigots is a perfect veil under which to express hostility towards Obama and African Americans while still retaining plausible deniability.

You think all black teens are thugs and potential criminals, but are afraid to say it out loud, for fear of being exposed as a racist? Just claim you’re a gun rights advocate who strongly empathizes with George Zimmerman. Think African Americans have a degraded ‘culture’ but know what will make a pariah at dinner parties? Say you’re a free speech supporter who stands by Phil Robertson. The list goes on and on. Public, politicians and pundits will support men and women who have done something obviously wrong as a way to launder racial beliefs into something more palatable to the mainstream, at least until the truth gets exposed.

Cliven Bundy’s ‘protest’ against grazing fees has been going on longer than Obama has been in office. However he openly welcomes supporters who view his protest as an act of rebellion against the illegitimate presidency of Barack Obama. If race were not one of the underlying motivations bolstering Cliven Bundy’s actions, why would did he feel the need to go off on some Freudian rant about “the Negro” to begin with? It is impossible to separate Bundy’s protest (and to a lesser extent the government’s tepid response) and his sense of white male privilege. As Chris Hayes pointed out on MSNBC, if a group of Hispanic Americans banded together and threatened INS agents who wanted to deport illegal aliens what do you think would happen? Ask Elian Gonzalez. As Jamelle Bouie pointed out in Slate.com when African Americans defy the law and don’t pay taxes on grounds of moral or historical rights they end up dead in Philadelphia, or in jail like Wesley Snipes. If Cliven Bundy were anything other than white male rancher in Nevada he would’ve been in jail years ago.

So now Ted Cruz, Rand Paul and Sean Hannity know they can’t publicly support Cliven Bundy’s ‘cause’ without being exposed as supporting the racism that undergirds it. Exposed being the key term, since in a couple of months they’ll all find another ‘victim’ to conveniently support. And they will gleefully and disingenuously throw that cudgel at Obama and Black America as well, at least until the next exposure comes along.

Dr. Jason Johnson

 LordofHats wrote:
I seem to remembering saying in the old thread Bundy wasn't going to win this *ego swells*

“I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro,” he (Cliven Bundy) said.

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If he would have called them “descendents of slaves” instead of “the Negro”, would it have made any difference?
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Mr. Bundy recalled driving past a public-housing project in North Las Vegas, “and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids — and there is always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch — they didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for their kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for their young girls to do.”

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These three sentences are a totally valid criticism of the government’s policies and social programs … and explains one of the reasons why the “descendents of slaves” haven’t gotten any further ahead in American society, than they have.
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“And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?” … he asked. “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”

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No one is “better off” being a slave. But the “descendents of slaves” in America today are still in slavery. The difference is today’s “slavery” is much more physically comfortable, than the pre-civil war days.
But it’s still slavery, none the less.
They accept an impoverished standard of living, for free … in exchange for voting Democrat. But the standard of living for inner-city “descendents of slaves” is still impoverished.
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The “descendents of slaves” living in the inner city have got to learn how to pick cotton work, or otherwise be productive. And Only then I’ve often wondered, are they will they be better off. as slaves, picking cotton

Worth noting; the same thing goes for the young people living a higher standard of living in suburbia.
If they don’t learn how to do real work, they’ll end up like the inner city people.

 Ouze wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:
I seem to remembering saying in the old thread Bundy wasn't going to win this *ego swells*

I think he has been winning so far, though. He's not paying his dues, he's a hero to the folk, and the BLM backed down (granted, for the moment). Frankly if it hadn't been for his extemporaneous dissertation on race in America, I think that political office would be a foregone conclusion.

If Cliven Bundy were anything other than white male rancher in Nevada he would’ve been in jail years ago.

 d-usa wrote:
It's federal land, they can do what they want. My plan for action if I am appointed Czar of Land Management:

1) Declare that all Bundy Cattle Lands are now Military Training Grounds.
2) Initiate Strategic Napalm Exercises.
3) Give everybody in the area 24 hours notice to vacate.
4) Send in the bombers and drop Napalm.
5) Invite everybody over for a BBQ.

 whembly wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
It's federal land, they can do what they want. My plan for action if I am appointed Czar of Land Management:

1) Declare that all Bundy Cattle Lands are now Military Training Grounds.
2) Initiate Strategic Napalm Exercises.
3) Give everybody in the area 24 hours notice to vacate.
4) Send in the bombers and drop Napalm.
5) Invite everybody over for a BBQ.

Cool!

Will there be alcohol or is this BYOB?

 d-usa wrote:
You will notice I did some "good water-carrying" for both sides by using black instead of negro.

 d-usa wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
It's federal land, they can do what they want. My plan for action if I am appointed Czar of Land Management:

1) Declare that all Bundy Cattle Lands are now Military Training Grounds.
2) Initiate Strategic Napalm Exercises.
3) Give everybody in the area 24 hours notice to vacate.
4) Send in the bombers and drop Napalm.
5) Invite everybody over for a BBQ.

Cool!

Will there be alcohol or is this BYOB?

There will be no government handouts, strictly boot-strap moonshine distilled from the finest Cactus Juice stolen cultivated and maintained for generations.

But in a contentious interview Friday on CNN's "New Day," Bundy stood by his remarks, saying he's not a racist but only somebody who spoke his mind, perhaps using politically incorrect language.

"Maybe I sinned, and maybe I need to ask forgiveness, and maybe I don't know what I actually said, but when you talk about prejudice, we're talking about not being able to exercise what we think. ... If I say Negro or black boy or slave, if those people cannot take those kind of words and not be (offended), then Martin Luther King hasn't got his job done yet," he told anchor Chris Cuomo on Friday, adding, "We need to get over this prejudice stuff."

In one exchange with Cuomo, Bundy said, "I don't know how to talk about these ethnic groups ..."

"Then don't," Cuomo said.

That could easily still be the case in whatever backwards place Bundy is from.

 whembly wrote:

You've got a beer making operation... any chance you can tweak it to make some shine?

I've had Dandilion Shine... tasted much better than you'd expect.

In one exchange with Cuomo, Bundy said, "I don't know how to talk about these ethnic groups ..."

"Then don't," Cuomo said.