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How does the annihilation barge stack up against the other heavy support choices for the crons.
With the TL str 7 tesla shots that can arc for more shots i see alot of people suggest them however
they have no AP so i dont really know how i feel about it. I already have a monolith and a unit of 3 spyders
im not sure if should invest in the barge or get another unit of spyders or what. I havent purchased one yet
just wanted to get a second opinion before i spent any money.

The only downside to barges is that you can't squadron them, otherwise I'd have even more.

Spyders are great, but work best when you have some scarabs to go along with them.

The Necron Spyderstar is a (no pun intended) rising star of the Necron book that Is seeing some popularity too.

Monolith deep striking shenanigans are also seeing a new life, and the Doom Scythe remains a favorite of many.

Really, you can only go wrong with the Doomsday Ark.

Wait, Necrons have other Heavy Support options?

Wouldn't know it from all those triple Annihilation Barge lists out there.

 Kain wrote:
The only downside to barges is that you can't squadron them, otherwise I'd have even more.

Spyders are great, but work best when you have some scarabs to go along with them.

The Necron Spyderstar is a (no pun intended) rising star of the Necron book that Is seeing some popularity too.

Monolith deep striking shenanigans are also seeing a new life, and the Doom Scythe remains a favorite of many.

Really, you can only go wrong with the Doomsday Ark.

Well will you look at that, OP,
He even kinda put them in order from most effective to least effective for you.

For most people, the order usually tends to be:
1- Annihilation Barge
2- Spyders
3- Doomscythe
4- Monolith
5- Doomsday Ark
... but it really depends on preference and what the rest of your army consists of.

Honestly if the Necrons started getting dataslate formations I'd be all over them like hotcakes, especially if they released some HS slots for things that aren't barges.

In terms of forgeworld: The most popular is the sentry pylon, followed by the Nighshroud bomber, with that Canoptek unit with the weird ass exile cannon coming in at dead last.

Annihilation barges are OK. Though I usually take a Doom Scythe or Spyders, Monoliths are good fun.
Clarification- what's a Spyderstar please?

well i know of the spyder star thats why i have the spiders lol
a total list of my models should help

Necron Overlord
Destroyer Lord
Obyron
Nemesor Zahndrekh
Necron Lord
40 Necron Warriors
6 wraiths
5 death marks
10 immortals
2 Nightscythe
2Triarch stalker
5 Lychgaurd
20 Canoptek Scarabs
2 Ghost Ark
3 Canoptek Spyder
Monolith
3 Destroyers

so thats everything. I guess i'll go ahead and see about getting a barge or two. I think it would prolly be best to run two at 1850.
Im thinking of running the spyderstar with 2 sets of 10 cron warriors in arks and 2 sets of 10 cron warriors in night scythes and maybe
my stalkers to help make my warrior shots twinlinked. i havent done the math but i should be able to squeeze the barges in.



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 Guilldog wrote:
well i know of the spyder star thats why i have the spiders lol
a total list of my models should help

Necron Overlord
Destroyer Lord
Obyron
Nemesor Zahndrekh
Necron Lord
40 Necron Warriors
6 wraiths
5 death marks
10 immortals
2 Nightscythe
2Triarch stalker
5 Lychgaurd
20 Canoptek Scarabs
2 Ghost Ark
3 Canoptek Spyder
Monolith
3 Destroyers

so thats everything. I guess i'll go ahead and see about getting a barge or two. I think it would prolly be best to run two at 1850.
Im thinking of running the spyderstar with 2 sets of 10 cron warriors in arks and 2 sets of 10 cron warriors in night scythes and maybe
my stalkers to help make my warrior shots twinlinked. i havent done the math but i should be able to squeeze the barges in.

Necron Overlord
Destroyer Lord
Obyron
Nemesor Zahndrekh
3 Necron Lord
60 Necron Warriors
6 wraiths
15 death marks
15 immortals
2 Nightscythe
3 Triarch stalker
10 Lychgaurd
30 Canoptek Scarabs
2 Ghost Ark
3 Canoptek Spyder
Monolith
6 Destroyers
2 annihilation barges

Found a small cron army online for not too much this is what my army will look like after i add the new models


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 angelofvengeance wrote:
Annihilation barges are OK. Though I usually take a Doom Scythe or Spyders, Monoliths are good fun.
Clarification- what's a Spyderstar please?

Spyderstar is

Nemesor Zahndrekh
Vargard Obyron
Destroyer Lord
3 Canoptek Spyders

and i believe some scarabs close by.

The idea is to get into CC with the whole bunch of them and the Destroyer Lord giver the spyders and Obyron and Zahndrekh the ability to re roll all 1 on to hit and to wound.
You use Zahndrekh to strip the other unit of their special rules, and Vargard Obyron can take up to 10 swings by himself with a warscythe that wounds on a 2+ (while being able to reroll all ones)
the spyders are nasty in CC in their own right and having scarabs near by they can poop out more scarabs and help tar pit the enemy unit even more.

Im not sure if thats 100% how it works but im sure that it.

 skoffs wrote:

For most people, the order usually tends to be:
1- Annihilation Barge
2- Spyders
3- Doomscythe
4- Monolith
5- Doomsday Ark
... but it really depends on preference and what the rest of your army consists of.

Let me correct that list a bit:

1- Annihilation Barge
2- Spyders
3- Doomscythe
4- Monolith
5- nothing
6- Doomsday Ark

Spyderstar is a good strategy indeed but you have to remember that it's a pretty big points sink you're looking at, as well as including your Warlord. It's a very high priority target so be careful with it. And deepstriking.

Nemesor Zahndrekh
Vargard Obyron
Destroyer Lord ( Warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs, Resurrection Orb, Sempiternal Weave)
15 Warriors (Ghost Ark)
10 Warriors (Night Scythe)
10 Warriors (Night Scythe)
3 Canoptek Spyder
5 Canoptek Scarab
5 Canoptek Scarab
4 Canoptek Scarab
Annihilation Barge (Gauss Cannon, TL Tesla Destroyer)
Annihilation Barge (Gauss Cannon, TL Tesla Destroyer)
Total:1845

this is what i was looking at for a list, thats why i asked about the Barge's

Looks like a very solid list to me. Lack of AP 2, but alas, that's what you have in most lists. Tesla them to death

 Sigvatr wrote:
Looks like a very solid list to me. Lack of AP 2, but alas, that's what you have in most lists. Tesla them to death

Thats why i took the gauss on the barges to hopefully help with that. And i mean spyderstar has two warscythes at AP 1 with rerolls of ones so that should help.

Tournament level Spyder-Star lists tend to use a squad or two of Wraiths to act as a anvil to the Spyders hammer.
Yes, it could be argued that the Scarabs could fill that role, but the Wraiths would work better.

 skoffs wrote:
Tournament level Spyder-Star lists tend to use a squad or two of Wraiths to act as a anvil to the Spyders hammer.
Yes, it could be argued that the Scarabs could fill that role, but the Wraiths would work better.

I can drop all the scarabs and take 6 wraiths for the same price.

Nemesor Zahndrekh
Vargard Obyron
Destroyer Lord ( Warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs, Resurrection Orb, Sempiternal Weave)
10 Warriors (Ghost Ark)
12 Warriors (Night Scythe)
12 Warriors (Night Scythe)
3 Canoptek Spyder
6 Canopteks Wraiths
Annihilation Barge (Gauss Cannon, TL Tesla Destroyer)
Annihilation Barge (Gauss Cannon, TL Tesla Destroyer)
Total:1832

Comes out to the same price really. How is it better is my question

I think the difference is you've got a lot more models per unit in your troops section than the average competitive Spyder-Star list.
Convert some of those extra Warriors into Scarabs and you'd have a pretty sweet list.
(also may be worth considering throwing in some Crypteks, but it's up to your personal preference)

 skoffs wrote:
I think the difference is you've got a lot more models per unit in your troops section than the average competitive Spyder-Star list.
Convert some of those extra Warriors into Scarabs and you'd have a pretty sweet list.
(also may be worth considering throwing in some Crypteks, but it's up to your personal preference)

I like the bigger size troop units if i find its not working i may size them down but i prefer to have the extra shots.

Well, Annihilation Barges are the best choice in the HS slot.
Monoliths got a hit, Spyders are too slow, and Doom Scythes have too less damage output.

 wuestenfux wrote:
Well, Annihilation Barges are the best choice in the HS slot.
Monoliths got a hit, Spyders are too slow, and Doom Scythes have too less damage output.

I used to spam Barges in HS but now Spyders are taking away a slot from the Barges. Go go psychic defense bubble!

The psychic defense is rather weak. The problem is that most of the really strong psychic powers (looking at you, Biomancy) cannot be countered by the crystal as they do not target an allied Necron near the Spyders.

col_impact wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:
Well, Annihilation Barges are the best choice in the HS slot.
Monoliths got a hit, Spyders are too slow, and Doom Scythes have too less damage output.

I used to spam Barges in HS but now Spyders are taking away a slot from the Barges. Go go psychic defense bubble!

Only maledictions and witchfires are really blocked by the Prism.

The blessings passed around by Biomancy, Eldar Runes, and Divinitation care not one Iota for the gloom prism.

Its not that the other things are bad, it is that the Annihilation barge is a steal for its points vs effectiveness. I never leave home without 3. If I had a monolith, I'd probably play it some because I like the model.

However, don't let anyone put you off from playing what you want, or trying to make other HS options work. You might find something that works quite well for your games.

1. Annihilation Barge
2. Gauss Exterminator Sentry Pylon
3. Spyders
4. Tesseract Ark (One of my personal favorites)
5. Doomscythe
6. Monolith
7. Nightshroud Bomber
8. Doomsday Ark

I think that Covers all of them...

The Annihilation barge is really, just plain awesome. I also like to pack some Sentry Pylons, and play my Tesseract Ark a lot as well. The Tesseract Ark used to be a lot better, but the Advent of Imperial Knights and the Wraithknight have made it a bit harder of a sell.

 Kain wrote:

col_impact wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:
Well, Annihilation Barges are the best choice in the HS slot.
Monoliths got a hit, Spyders are too slow, and Doom Scythes have too less damage output.

I used to spam Barges in HS but now Spyders are taking away a slot from the Barges. Go go psychic defense bubble!

Only maledictions and witchfires are really blocked by the Prism.

The blessings passed around by Biomancy, Eldar Runes, and Divinitation care not one Iota for the gloom prism.

Misfortune is the one that completely wrecks your day and there are Deathstar builds out there that can reliably get that. Cloaking your own Deathstar in a Spyder psychic shield means you don't auto-lose. So I agree with you that fully spamming A Barges is totally the way to go (so much more efficient than Spyders) UNLESS you anticipate that someone could bring one of the new breed of brutal Deathstars against you.

 Sasori wrote:
1. Annihilation Barge
2. Gauss Exterminator Sentry Pylon
3. Spyders
4. Tesseract Ark (One of my personal favorites)
5. Doomscythe
6. Monolith
7. Nightshroud Bomber
8. Doomsday Ark

I think that Covers all of them...

The Annihilation barge is really, just plain awesome. I also like to pack some Sentry Pylons, and play my Tesseract Ark a lot as well. The Tesseract Ark used to be a lot better, but the Advent of Imperial Knights and the Wraithknight have made it a bit harder of a sell.

Always trust Sasori to remind us about FW 'Cron toys.
How are the S.Pylons against Imp.Knights and Wra.Knights?