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I like the idea but the quality between sculpts ranges from crisp details to 80's quality

It's important to remember that these are multiple teams from more than one manufacturer being consolidated together. That's why there's so much variance in both quality and style.

Apparently there are some rumors on the net that Impact doesn't have the rights to some of the models in one of the teams. Here's Tom's Explaination:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/674003445/17-fantasy-football-teams-new-pro-elves-and-orcs-a/posts/843415

Long and short of it, he does have the legal right to produce resin versions of those miniatures. Models that some people believe or conversions or recasts are actually re-sculpts based on the conversions from the original models. There are also some questions about casting miniatures that were limited edition in metal... once again,
In super short, Impact is being negatively impacted by some inaccurate rumors.

Wow, that's some drama right there. But his explanation seems totally reasonable to me... in fact it seems that he worked closely with the person who originally made the conversions to have new, similar sculpts made of them... not really sure why 5 backers would drop out (and almost $3K in value) over that

A real shame some are getting so upset over what is clearly a non-issue

(and since the big drop is a league pledge it sounds like one person in charge of a group buy is the one with the problem)

hope the total climbs back up fast


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Well Impact have take additional steps to address potential concerns (shame they've had to do so, but hopefully this will more than settle anybodys worries)


Project Update #10: Chaotic Alliance update
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Okay had some good conversation offline and some of the posts on this thread have given me insight.

TP's post was good ... it asked the question: When the original 500 castings of each of the limited figures was made ... was there a promise that no more of the model would never be created?

It was many years ago and I just do know 100% know the answer to that question.

So with that in mind ... I'm going to err on the expensive side as I said ... this is not about making money but doing the right thing by the backers and the community.

I will work with a sculptor to have the 7 older figures that were the limited to 500 castings sculpted again and I'll show them in future updates.

The metal versions will still be the original figures as that is from the original casting run of 500k and they are not extra castings so they are the original limited edition run of the figures.

The Trollcast team will only use the new versions of those 7 figures. This will absolutely guarantee beyond any question that the mass produced team in Trollcast does not have any limited edition models in it.

This is not the cheap plan as I now need to have 7 new models created instead of spending that money making a Ogre Oni for the Divine Wind or a Djinn for the Desert Dogs ... but it makes sure that I am putting my money where my mouth is that reputation and integrity are really very important to me.

So consider this official. The Trollcast version of the Chaotic Alliance will be getting 7 new sculpts that will look similar to the previous limited edition models but will not be brand new thus preserving the limited edition status of the metals.

As I get images of them ... I'll post them up.

Tom @ Impact!

So after looking here I thought I'd take a look...

I've always like the Sarcos models - lovely detailed crocs... which have now been removed from there website and added into the kickstarter, at a higher cost (they were $35 for a 16 croc mixed team).

So I'll leave it.

The Sarcos teams ARE still available on the website if you just want to grab them now ($35 + shipping)

http://www.impactminiatures.com/index.php?option=elfballteams_profile&id=TC_SRE1
http://www.impactminiatures.com/index.php?option=elfballteams_profile&id=TC_SRT1
http://www.impactminiatures.com/index.php?option=elfballteams_profile&id=TC_SRT2

I can wait so I'll get them via the KS so it helps fund the other stuff

Yeah, Orlando beat me to it- they're still available, Gomez!

http://www.impactminiatures.com/index.php?option=elfballteams

The MK Studios Amazon team looks decent from the YouTube preview. Much better than those Black Widows. I might pick a team up.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Update #1 Apr 30 2014
Thank you backers! We reached 25% funding in our first 24 hours. Very much appreciated.
As a thank you I wanted to offer you extra rewards if you can go out and beat the bush to help us reach two funding goals that I have set for this KickStarter.
If we reach $10,000 by 10am EST, Thursday May 1st ... I will give every backer who is in the project at that time for the GET THE REF for higher reward one free item from the add-on list that is valued at $8 or less.
If we reach $13,000 by 10am EST, Friday May 2nd ... I will give every backer who is in the project at that time for the GET THE REF or higher reward one free item from the add-on list that is valued at $8 or less.
If we reach both goals than each backer at the GET THE REF or higher reward can get a choice of two free items valued at $8 or less add-on list OR one free $14 or less add-on item.
So hit up your leagues, Facebook, Twitter and other social media and help us get a solid start to this KickStarter and pick up some free items for doing so.

Tom @ Impact!

Huh. I just saw this thread for the first time now, and went over and backed now instead of hitting the "remind me". Now I see this. Kind of pisses me off a little.


Hm, I'll see how it goes regarding the resculpts..

Hi Azazelx,

And by backing now instead of waiting for the KS Remind ... you'll be able to get the 3 free Big Guys with Chaos or the free 5 Stars with Elf Deluxe.

The funding goal for this project was big for this niche. Normally KS projects get little funding in the middle for this area as everyone waits for the Remind to see what all freebies they will be getting.

We wanted to enable the project to keep moving forward and reward the people who are willing to get into the project without waiting for the very end. This helps it fund quicker and helps us hopefully hit stretch goals that everyone can enjoy after funding before the final days of the KS.

So sorry you are pissed. I admit what I am trying is something a bit different ... I'm doing layered early birds in effect. So far it has helped keep pledges and interest during what would normally be a slower period.

Goal was not to piss you off for sure ... and by backing now ... you are getting in for one of the layered early birds that someone who waits for the Remind will not get.

Speaking of which ... this is a just a reminder for anyone else not yet a backer reading this ... the current early bird offer ends tomorrow morning.

Hey Tom, I'm already a backer, but what is the Early Bird special you are mentioned ?

 adamsouza wrote:
Hey Tom, I'm already a backer, but what is the Early Bird special you are mentioned ?

The one I just mentioned above was that everyone who was in as a backer this morning get an extra set of Star Players with each Deluxe Pro Elf team and anyone getting a Standard Chaotic Alliance team would get the Deluxe upgrade for free.

Update time

Friend take his ball and go home? Make sure you have your own! One last early backer special.

Thank you backers. We are now under $1,400 from funding as of this update.

We had several people ask us if we could please provide balls as part of the KickStarter and we want to help them get them.

We offer a product that I think is great for gaming. The ring part of the ball is flexible so it can easily clip around a leg, an arm or a neck so the player with the ball does not have it fall off as you move the figure around.

There are 4 styles of balls. Spiked (for standard play), Steel (for hard core teams like Chaos, Dwarf or Ogre), Jewelry (a stylized ball for teams like Elves) and Lunchbox (as Halfling need someone to store their snacks).

Finally the last ring is a Bonehead marker so you can easily keep track if your Big Guy loses his mental train of thought while playing.

Each Ball/Bonehead ring is a $3 add-on



And we wanted to make one more early backer special offer. For every backer who is a backer at the point that we fund (including the person that push us over to being funded), we will include a free ball/bonehead ring with every Metal team in their reward (backer can choose the ring). In addition, we will include one free ball/bonehead ring with each team in a Pitch Invasion reward (backer can choose all the free rings).

Thanks everyone and I look forward to celebrating reaching the finish line of funding with you all soon.

Tom @ Impact!

@ImpactMiniatures:
Early birds that expire before you've shown all the teams are stupid. Having people discover your Kickstarter and find out that they are already getting left out makes them less likely to pledge. An early bird that only applies to people buying the metal teams, and not the Trollcast teams that are supposedly the focus of this Kickstarter is doubly stupid.

@AlexHolker... read the bonuses again. I think you are missing the details.

Or to put it another way.... lots of "time-limited pledge bonuses" can and do backfire later in the campaign, when people who discover the campaign later (like I did) get pissed off. When someone sees the campaign for the first time in 2 weeks and finds that they missed out on two handfuls of freebie extras, they are much more likely to say "feth it" and not pledge. This is doubly so in a campaign that is not centred around the Mantic/CMON model of buckets of stretch goal freebies.

And I say this as someone who is now pledged, and eligible for anything else you add in this way.

 AlexHolker wrote:
@ImpactMiniatures:
Early birds that expire before you've shown all the teams are stupid. Having people discover your Kickstarter and find out that they are already getting left out makes them less likely to pledge. An early bird that only applies to people buying the metal teams, and not the Trollcast teams that are supposedly the focus of this Kickstarter is doubly stupid.

I can definitely understand this stance.

However my counter to this is:
1) We already announced that once we fund we'll bring something new to the KickStarter every $1000 so it is not like all the goodies will be run out if they do not join.
2) The whole purpose of these specials is to get a KickStarter with a funding goal much higher than normal to get funded. As soon as that happens ... all the future goals will apply to old and new backers going forward. The current special will actually go to far more Trollcast teams than metal as we have several thousand $ in backers at the Pitch Invasion level for Trollcast teams. The point of the special is to get the items that will help us cross the finish line quickly encouraged and those are the big league orders and metal teams. There is a very specific reason for the target of this offer.
3) I realize that some get left out by doing these specials. But as someone that has now run many KickStarters ... the middle is normally a wasteland. Virtually no one pledges in the middle of a KickStarter. Its all about waiting for the Remind email to go out and see if enough free stuff if there to make you want to pledge. If we allowed that to happen ... funding this KickStarter could end up being an active question mark. So we did these staggered specials all to help encourage backers to join us in the middle of the KickStarter when they normally would not bother and help us reach that funding goal. Based on my previous KickStarters that I've run ... so far the strategy seems to be working. We've had several strong funding days in the middle now when normally the traffic would be next to nothing. So while I fully understand that there are some that will strongly feel the way you do ... at least based on my experience running these ... there are more people who are pledging to get in (and help us get funded) than would normally be the case. Using our own KickStarters to create a math model of what we should have expected with this KickStarter ... we normally make 51% of the total ending value of the KickStarter in the first 3 days. On the final 3 days we make about 20% on average. With 29% coming in even spaced over the days inbetween. This is based on our last 6 KickStarters. Based on that math we should have average $216 per a day for the last 15 days that would put us inline with all my past experience with running a KickStarter project. Our average for the last 15 days has been $604 per a day (slightly less than 3 times what would be expected). So far it is definitely not working like any of our previous KickStarter. Which means it is either a better product than what we have done in the past or the special offers to get us up to funding are having the desired effect to help push the project to get in backers to reach the funding goal.

I went into all this explanation because I do read and think about all feedback we get. And I wanted to say ... while I take no pleasure in making a possible backer think he has missed out ... at the same time ... I hope all the above explains why we did it and the effect it seems to be having.

The other answer is that everything on that KickStarter reward level wise is less expensive than it will be to get the items when they are in retail later. So in effect everyone is getting a special offer even at the single team level. It might just be my mindset. I've never pledged for any of the 75 KickStarters I've backed because of freebies (either early bird or stretch goals). I've always pledged because I like the product being offered and think the price is right for what it is and the the risk of not getting it is minimal. Because that is my mind set ... I set up this KickStarter to offer a discount at the lowest pledge level for a team and had it only get better with every reward after it so that everyone who supports the project gets a deal and in that regard ... no one gets left out who backs the KickStarter.

Tom @ Impact!

Impact have add another team to choose from

Update #12 ℹ

May 18 2014

Team #19 Added ... Dark Elf variant


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Based on some great discussion in the private messages I discovered that there were several backers who would prefer to use the Pro Elf team due to their armored nature as a Dark Elf team. However they would prefer not to use Eldril as a Witch and Hubris as an Assassin. So we talked with our sculptor about his schedule and he has agreed to sculpt us an Assassin and Witch to go with the team and that he should have them finished by month end. These means we can now offered team #19 ... a Dark Elf team in a standard and Deluxe version in spincast resin and a Deluxe version in metal. Please note ... if you were getting a Pro Elf team and would prefer a Dark Elf team ... you can switch over and any previous offers will be valid regardless of which Elf version you get. We'll replace the shadows in the images with the 3-D sculpts as soon as they are finished.



In addition, with this announcement we wanted to offer 3 extra Add-on offers. Each set of the figures below is $10.

Dark Elf Specialty Players - $10



Pro Elf Specialty Players - $10



Elf Linemen Players - $10



Hope the weekend was great for everyone!

I wanted to thank Sebastien Meunier of monsoda.com again for helping me pull together the graphics for this update.

Tom @ Impact!

NOW FUNDED.... so you can back in the knowledge you'll get your chosen goodies


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Project Update #13: Stretch Goal #1 ($26,000) and some frequent questions answered
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Thank you backers for helping us reach this point!

For our first stretch goal which we'll reach at $26,000 ... I've had several messages from backers who were requesting a team to be included in the list of teams that you can pick from for your reward. And we are going to add in the one that is being requested the most. The Pharaohs (which is a 22 player spincast resin Standard team or is 27 players in Deluxe).



We also wanted to include a freebie with this stretch goal as an extra reward for our backers so anyone getting the Deluxe version of the Pharaohs will also receive a pewter copy of star player Sutekh from our miniatures range with the Deluxe team (already shown above in image of Deluxe team). Here is a closer look at Sutekh:



Questions from backers

We'had two reoccurring questions I wanted to answer directly in an update.

1) Yes you can get the Dark Elf (or Pro Elf) set of Specialty players in Metal instead of Trollcast if you want. The set will be $20 as an add-on. And unfortunately we cannot swap the Star Players for a set of Specialty players.

2) If you are pledged for the Skyscraper level and get a Standard team as one of your 5, then you can get a $10 or less add-on with your reward (this will be automated in the pledge manager). If your qualified for the free Chaotic Alliance upgrade as an early backer and you are a Skyscraper reward level backer and pick the standard Chaotic Alliance team as part of your reward, you get both the free Chaotic Alliance big guy pack and a $10 or less add-on.

Thanks to all our backers for helping us reach this point and I look forward to see how many Stretch Goals we can unlock.

Tom @ Impact!

Update #14 May 20 2014

Pharaohs team unlocked. SSB Chaotic Minotaur add-on at $27,000

Yesterday we unlocked the Pharaohs team in both Standard (22 figure) and Deluxe (27 figures) (with Deluxe including a free extra pewter figurine for the KickStarter).

Next stretch goal is the SSB Chaotic Minotaur which is an imposing big guy on the field (50mm from base to top of miniature). He comes with a claw, normal and tentacled arm. We will unlock him as an add-on at $27,000 and to make him a great offer for the KickStarter backers he will be just $12 as an add-on.



Tom @ Impact!

Whoa. Nice minotaur!

Dat minotaur.

The fact that he isn't really wearing any sort of sports gear means I can casually dump him into all sorts of other games too. Liking the crab claw myself.

Is it possible to ditch the left arm and stick the tentacles on there as well?

Trollcast is nice and easy to cut/glue so I don't see why you couldn't

Update #15 May 21 2014

Dark Elf team completed + a bonus add-on Star Player

Juan has finished the Dark Elf new sculpts for the team and they look great. We made sure the armoured design from the original Pro Elf team carried through to these new players so that the overall Dark Elf team would look like a true full team. In addition during the process we ended up designing a different looking Witch which we will be casting separately. Roxanne the Dark would work great as a Star for your Dark Elf or your Amazon team or just as an Evil Sorceress on the sidelines (or in a dungeon crawl). Roxanne will be an add-on figure that can be added to any reward.

The final Dark Elf team:


(thanks again to monsoda.com for their assist to me with the graphics for this update!)

And here is a close up look at the new Witch and Assassin figures along with a view of Roxanne the Dark

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Dat minotaur.

The fact that he isn't really wearing any sort of sports gear means I can casually dump him into all sorts of other games too. Liking the crab claw myself.

Is it possible to ditch the left arm and stick the tentacles on there as well?

Yeah, there's a bit of an old-school Slaanesh/KoS vibe to him with the claw.

Not a fan of the Witch's hair. The 80s are dead, and they should stay dead.

The BIg hair is so humans can tell male and female elves apart

an update a day keeps the doctor away?

anyhoo

Update #16 May 22 2014

SSB Chaotic Minotaur unlocked ... Siringit team with free extras unlocks at $28,000.

We reached $27,000 ... thank you backers! That unlocks the SSB Minotaur as an add-on option for only $12.

So what is the next goal. The next stretch goal is for the Siringit team. This is a team based on African anthropomorphic animal players. It makes a roster with a lot of options for Elfball and is the Deluxe version of the team makes a fun and different Chaos, Chaos Pact or Orc roster for other games.

We wanted to offer our backers something extra if they pick up this team. So at $28,000 we will include a SSB Chaotic Minotaur, a Sarcos Leviathan and a 2nd Thrower (Hyena) for free with Standard version of the team (making it a 15 figure team with 3 Big Guys) The Deluxe version adds on 5 more players, 2 power warrior figures (Rhino and Hippo), 2 more blitzer/lineman with horns figures (Cape Buffalo and Warthog) and a sneaky Ratman.

It should be noted that the Deluxe team as a pick for your reward is a great deal as it normally sells in our online store for $61 (compared to the $45 for a normal Deluxe team in our online store).



Also we wanted to let the backers know we added an additional Vampire figure to the Standard Vampire team for free. No stretch goal for this ... just an extra to thank our backers.

Juan is making great work on some projects we've requested to try and make this KickStarter better and I look forward to revealing that work when it is completed.

Tom @ Impact!

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Is it possible to ditch the left arm and stick the tentacles on there as well?

Being one of the organisers of SSB and having a couple of these myself I can assure you that the Trollcast material is fine for the converting.
Realistically though you are probably going to want to greenstuff the joint to get a believable angle though.