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E Wing preview on FFG website is up...

http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_news.asp?eidn=4783

Want.

Hardly surprising, but yeah. I definitely want that ship.


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Oh, before I forget my manners entirely, thanks for posting.

Lol, no worries - I just happened across it in my FFG browsings

I'm not really a fan of the aesthetics of this ship and I'm not that familiar with EU stuff (aside from the old X Wing / Tie Fighter games) so will probably stick with the original trilogy when expanding my collection.

Ah, well, I'm a big fan of Corran Horn. So there's that.

Even if you're not a big fan of the EU, it's certainly a cheaper way of getting Advanced Sensors over the Shuttle.

Sadly not much new here, and I stand by my previous opinion: it's a powerful ship that's capable of doing lots of cool stuff, but it costs 40-50 points. I just can't see it getting much use in a game where a 30-35 point high-end unique character is already considered too much for a single (small base) ship.

It's nice to see the confirmation that the generic R7 does what we thought. It's going to be an interesting combination with Tarn Mison, his automatic target lock on being shot at happens in time to spend it on the R7's ability so once per round you get to force your opponent to re-roll all of their successes. That won't stop a swarm, but it could be an interesting endgame ship and a major annoyance to 3-ship elite lists.

On the other hand, the Epic Play rules are out in the wild now, with the huge ships either shipping to stores, or on the boat from China.

The E-Wing and Defender will play nicely at the 200-300 point scales.

Also, team games are a thing. I wouldn't mind running a pair of these powerful fighters.

 Vertrucio wrote:
The E-Wing and Defender will play nicely at the 200-300 point scales.

I don't think so. If two 25-point ships are better than one 50-point ship then the same is true of ten 25-point ships and five 50-point ships. In fact it's probably going to be even worse, since with 300 points of ships on the table it's a lot harder to fly out of arc of everything and focused fire will kill even elite pilots in a single turn of shooting.

Would a 'plain' E-Wing be worth it? An X-Wing (with moved around Shield and Hull, which is better on the E-Wing generally) with +1 agility? How much more is it for a 'regular' comparable pilot version of both?

 Daba wrote:
Would a 'plain' E-Wing be worth it? An X-Wing (with moved around Shield and Hull, which is better on the E-Wing generally) with +1 agility? How much more is it for a 'regular' comparable pilot version of both?

Probably not. An extra six points and -1 PS for one agility die is a really high price, especially since that puts it at the upper limit for ship costs in a four-ship list. Contrast the 27-point basic E-wing pilot with a 27-point PS 4 B-wing with advanced sensors: the B-wing has a huge advantage in PS, one of the best upgrades in the game, and enough raw HP to make up for a lot of the agility loss. You're not really exploiting the E-wing's advantages until you start adding upgrades, especially EPTs, and that means the expensive characters.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Vertrucio wrote:
The E-Wing and Defender will play nicely at the 200-300 point scales.

I don't think so. If two 25-point ships are better than one 50-point ship then the same is true of ten 25-point ships and five 50-point ships. In fact it's probably going to be even worse, since with 300 points of ships on the table it's a lot harder to fly out of arc of everything and focused fire will kill even elite pilots in a single turn of shooting.

Etahn A'baht is going to be brutal in bigger games. Hold him back at long range from the combat, and let the rest of the squad get closer, and all of a sudden you'll be rolling a lot more crits.

I'm definitely grabbing 2 of these... very cool ship, as long as it's not a swarm I think it could be very competitive even at those costs.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Vertrucio wrote:
The E-Wing and Defender will play nicely at the 200-300 point scales.

I don't think so. If two 25-point ships are better than one 50-point ship then the same is true of ten 25-point ships and five 50-point ships. In fact it's probably going to be even worse, since with 300 points of ships on the table it's a lot harder to fly out of arc of everything and focused fire will kill even elite pilots in a single turn of shooting.

I think you are right about the idea of 5 50 point ships. In fact, a 50 point ship regardless is rarely a good idea unless its a Falcon or I suppose one of the new huge ships. And to their credit, I think even FFG acknowledges this in the article. However, I could definitely see one or two of these ships being used in an epic list to compliment the rest of the squad. I think the same will go for a ship like the HWK. On its own, in a 100 point game, the HWK (even with Jan or Kyle) isn't a great investment most of the time. Put Jan and/or Kyle into a 300 point list though and suddenly you got a really nice support ship.

So yeah, I don't really see people wanting to run 5 of these guys, even in an epic list, but I do think they will see play in smaller numbers in an epic list. As for the standard 100 point list, I agree that its a pretty pricey ship and kind of doubt that it will see much use beyond casual play.

The sweet spot points range that made waves one and two so great is kind of holding back subsequent development. Do the epic rules/addition of big ships address this?

Yes, in a way, Epic limits the amount of single ship types you can take, and limits the named pilot to one per faction... so there are limiters on spam in epic.

I think the epic rules help a little as I said earlier, though I still wouldn't expect "swarms" of Defenders and E-Wings. What I think will make a bigger difference is upgrades and pilots that make other strategies more viable and/or earlier strategies less viable.

Take Blount for instance. Combined with Assault missiles he'll make swarms cry. Fire the missiles at Howlrunner (assuming she is running a Stealth Device) and not only does it automatically strip the device, it also damages the rest of the swarm (at least those in position to take advantage of Howlie).

Munitions Failsafe is another example of a card that will help make other strategies viable. The problem with secondary weapons is that it is often difficult to even get in position to effectively fire them (i.e. TL and Focus) but on top of that, they run the risk of completely fizzling and thus, being a complete waste of points. Now you know that they'll at least get a chance to be shot again. Combine it with a form of action passing/sharing and they get even better.