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Akiasura wrote:"Tau aren't that op. I had Chaos Marines beat me once" guy fielding no marker lights and just had an awful list.

I've heard that anecdote shockingly often.

"No, tau isn't overpowered. Look, I got beaten once."

 Ailaros wrote:

"No, tau isn't overpowered. Look, I got beaten once."

I totally read that in Joe Piscopo's voice... "Tau aren't overpowered, Johnny.... My mother beat my Tau, once. Once."

Pony_law wrote:
Any argument that uses an empirical example in a game with stats and dice to determine how effective something is against something else in a general sense is a stupid argument. It's a kin to saying I bet on Black twice at a roulette wheel and won both times, black always wins.

Yes. That is the point here.

Although, empirical isn't the right word. Empirical evidence is observable and repeatable. Most anecdotes concern non-repeatable events.

Eldar Playing Friend: Wraithguard aren't that good for their points, they're only strength 5
Me: And toughness 6... With crazy ass guns...
Eldar Playing Friend: But they only have a 3+ save. They're way too expensive points wise...

Gitsmasha wrote:
Eldar Playing Friend: Wraithguard aren't that good for their points, they're only strength 5
Me: And toughness 6... With crazy ass guns...
Eldar Playing Friend: But they only have a 3+ save. They're way too expensive points wise...

Where's the anecdote used in this argument?

"Riptides aren't overpowered- they keep wounding themselves with their Nova charge and not doing enough damage to be worth their price!"

Personally I've had a 1k pts game where my opponent's single Riptide somehow managed to fail every single one of his Nova charge tests and even wounded himself twice while he's at it- still stomped my army flat almost singlehandedly with his "he's totally not overpowered if you take it" heavy burst cannon + SMS...

 Galorian wrote:
"Riptides aren't overpowered- they keep wounding themselves with their Nova charge and not doing enough damage to be worth their price!"

Personally I've had a 1k pts game where my opponent's single Riptide somehow managed to fail every single one of his Nova charge tests and even wounded himself twice while he's at it- still stomped my army flat almost singlehandedly with his "he's totally not overpowered if you take it" heavy burst cannon + SMS...

On the flipside, I run a farsight bomb. Once at a tournament (TOW1 if anyone cares) I lost my farsight bomb by turn two, I point-click deleted a unit per turn with riptide and tigurius (I'd rolled on div to get a 4++, got ignores cover and prescience, which saved my bacon.)
My riptide kept jumping from cover to shoot, then hiding behind a bastion and my FSR the whole game.Turn 5, his riptide comes over to knock my gak, fails his nova charge and I charge in - he smashes, but because tiggy's in the unit, he's hitting on 5's, so I figure why not? Tigurius smacks through one hit, one wound and I fail my force test. He does nothing to me, but my riptide gets his down to one wound. He then proceeds to take one wound from soulblaze and dies. Moral of the story?

Soul Blaze is OP.

There was a kid, I'd put him about 15, at my local GW this past weekend. I ran Ravenwing against his DA list (that wasn't well built, only had two troops at 1,500 and they sat behind an ADL with the SoD). He wasn't the most tactically sound commander, and in a combat that lasted several turns I challenged his Techmarin warlord with Sammael, which he repeatedly refused. After the game his one complaint was how his Techmarine did nothing in combat and was totally worthless.

Oh god Marbo....

He destroyed one squad of wolf guard in termie armor ONCE for me. Every other time he's blown himself up with that 6" large blast of dooooooom.

Also, Great Unclean One's rolling 3 times on Biomancy ARE UNKILLABLE, I don't care how awesome your eldar army is. (/sarcasm off)

There is somebody at my FLGS who obviously doesn't read the background of any book but SMs (and he only runs complete WAAC netlists) who tried to argue with me that Tigurius should be able to pick his powers to reflect the lore, because Be'Lakor gets complete mastery of Telepathy (while ignoring the fact that Be'lakor is well over double the points and as old as time).

I then told him that Eldrad and Ahriman can't even get to reroll their powers like him while according to the lore either of them should be able to turn Tigurius inside-out in a psychic duel. He still is adamant that Tigurius is the most powerful psyker in the galaxy "According to the background."

 herpguy wrote:
There is somebody at my FLGS who obviously doesn't read the background of any book but SMs (and he only runs complete WAAC netlists) who tried to argue with me that Tigurius should be able to pick his powers to reflect the lore, because Be'Lakor gets complete mastery of Telepathy (while ignoring the fact that Be'lakor is well over double the points and as old as time).

I then told him that Eldrad and Ahriman can't even get to reroll their powers like him while according to the lore either of them should be able to turn Tigurius inside-out in a psychic duel. He still is adamant that Tigurius is the most powerful psyker in the galaxy "According to the background."

The funny thing is that Sverin Loth is the same mastery level, gets his own special power, and gets to choose his own abilities.

Relentlessly troll him with this knowledge.

 Kain wrote:

 herpguy wrote:
There is somebody at my FLGS who obviously doesn't read the background of any book but SMs (and he only runs complete WAAC netlists) who tried to argue with me that Tigurius should be able to pick his powers to reflect the lore, because Be'Lakor gets complete mastery of Telepathy (while ignoring the fact that Be'lakor is well over double the points and as old as time).

I then told him that Eldrad and Ahriman can't even get to reroll their powers like him while according to the lore either of them should be able to turn Tigurius inside-out in a psychic duel. He still is adamant that Tigurius is the most powerful psyker in the galaxy "According to the background."

The funny thing is that Sverin Loth is the same mastery level, gets his own special power, and gets to choose his own abilities.

Relentlessly troll him with this knowledge.

Uh..

Severin loths 2+ invuln bs just costs him a warp charge, it's not a psychic power.

That's right, he doesn't even give you the courtesy of possibly failing it.

Lol, according to fluff I should have to use half the floor of my club to place the equivalent numbers of Tyranids to my opponent's army.

 Scipio Africanus wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 herpguy wrote:
There is somebody at my FLGS who obviously doesn't read the background of any book but SMs (and he only runs complete WAAC netlists) who tried to argue with me that Tigurius should be able to pick his powers to reflect the lore, because Be'Lakor gets complete mastery of Telepathy (while ignoring the fact that Be'lakor is well over double the points and as old as time).

I then told him that Eldrad and Ahriman can't even get to reroll their powers like him while according to the lore either of them should be able to turn Tigurius inside-out in a psychic duel. He still is adamant that Tigurius is the most powerful psyker in the galaxy "According to the background."

The funny thing is that Sverin Loth is the same mastery level, gets his own special power, and gets to choose his own abilities.

Relentlessly troll him with this knowledge.

Uh..

Severin loths 2+ invuln bs just costs him a warp charge, it's not a psychic power.

That's right, he doesn't even give you the courtesy of possibly failing it.

Even better, troll the SM player some more!

LAUGH EVILLY!

 PrinceRaven wrote:
Lol, according to fluff I should have to use half the floor of my club to place the equivalent numbers of Tyranids to my opponent's army.

... Do orks use the other half?

I know tyranids are grown quickly, but orks grow by dying, and from what I've seen in games, they do it very quickly.

A true numbers Orks vs Tyranids game at 1500 points might indeed take up the entire floor at my club.

 Scipio Africanus wrote:

 PrinceRaven wrote:
Lol, according to fluff I should have to use half the floor of my club to place the equivalent numbers of Tyranids to my opponent's army.

... Do orks use the other half?

I know tyranids are grown quickly, but orks grow by dying, and from what I've seen in games, they do it very quickly.

In terms of numbers fielded it should be

Tyranids>Orks>Guard>Cultists>Tau>Dark Eldar=Eldar>Sisters of Battle>Spehss mehreens>Grey Knights.

Daemons fit somewhere there.

But in the actual game it's mostly

Guard>>>>Other people.

 Kain wrote:

 Scipio Africanus wrote:

 PrinceRaven wrote:
Lol, according to fluff I should have to use half the floor of my club to place the equivalent numbers of Tyranids to my opponent's army.

... Do orks use the other half?

I know tyranids are grown quickly, but orks grow by dying, and from what I've seen in games, they do it very quickly.

In terms of numbers fielded it should be

Tyranids>Orks>Guard>Cultists>Tau>Dark Eldar=Eldar>Sisters of Battle>Spehss mehreens>Grey Knights.

Daemons fit somewhere there.

But in the actual game it's mostly

Guard>>>>Other people.

Tau can field a reasonable amount of bodies, actually. They might be twice the price of a guardsmen almost, but they'll reap that tally for their price.

 Scipio Africanus wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 Scipio Africanus wrote:

 PrinceRaven wrote:
Lol, according to fluff I should have to use half the floor of my club to place the equivalent numbers of Tyranids to my opponent's army.

... Do orks use the other half?

I know tyranids are grown quickly, but orks grow by dying, and from what I've seen in games, they do it very quickly.

In terms of numbers fielded it should be

Tyranids>Orks>Guard>Cultists>Tau>Dark Eldar=Eldar>Sisters of Battle>Spehss mehreens>Grey Knights.

Daemons fit somewhere there.

But in the actual game it's mostly

Guard>>>>Other people.

Tau can field a reasonable amount of bodies, actually. They might be twice the price of a guardsmen almost, but they'll reap that tally for their price.

That's why they're right behind Cultists.

Kroot are also dirt cheap for what they do.

Necrons probably outnumber the Tau lorewise though.

Kain wrote:Tyranids>Orks

There is no way that is even remotely true. Orks are about as common in the 40k universe as mildew. They're practically everywhere. If 40k were played by a fluff-based representation, a big majority of games would be orks vs. orks, followed eventually in a distant second by guard vs. orks.

There are a lot of gribblies in a hive fleet, but there are only so many hive fleets. The idea that we don't know how many more tyranid there are lurking at the edges doesn't really count, because that number could very well be zero.

 Ailaros wrote:

Kain wrote:Tyranids>Orks

There is no way that is even remotely true. Orks are about as common in the 40k universe as mildew. They're practically everywhere. If 40k were played by a fluff-based representation, a big majority of games would be orks vs. orks, followed eventually in a distant second by guard vs. orks.

There are a lot of gribblies in a hive fleet, but there are only so many hive fleets. The idea that we don't know how many more tyranid there are lurking at the edges doesn't really count, because that number could very well be zero.

A thousand devoured galaxies tends to give more biomass than the most common infestation of one.

In any case, Orks vs Tyranids is probably going to be a war of attrition in it's purest form as losses don't really matter to either side.

It's only a question of who slips up first.

In Ghorolla the Kaptin by all rights had won when he ambushed the Tyranids and blasted most of their fleet to rubble and only lost when he got cocky.

On Octarius itself Blaktoof was well aware of the Tyranid's tricks, and it seems that he's giving Leviathan such a rough time it's had to resort to the Swarmlord.

Of coruse, this war is so huge that the Eldar and Imperium are terrified of letting either side win; because on one hand you'd have a huge bloated hive fleet.

On the other hand you'd have an Ork Waaagh! So huge that it'd make Armageddon look like a slapfight with boyz the size of warbosses.

Either way, everyone else loses.

I think the fight was described as just the air elements from either side were so numerous that on one hand; the Sky was blotted out by Shrikes, Gargoyles, Sky-slashers, Hive Crones, Harpies, Harridans, and Flyrants. On the other hand the sky was blocked out by Stormboyz, Deffkoptaz, Fightas, Jets, Fighta-bommerz, Warkoptas, and so much anti-air munitions you could have stepped out of any random plane and walked all the way down.

On the ground, between the bug-lizards and greenskins you couldn't have seen an inch of it.

Ork vs Tyranid fights are metal.

There may be lots of Orks, but they are spread out across the galaxy when Tyranid are concentrated into their fleets, so when it comes to an actual war the Tyranids would usually outnumber the Orks.

On the other hand you'd have an Ork Waaagh! So huge that it'd make Armageddon look like a slapfight with boyz the size of warbosses.

So he'd match The Beast that knocked the emperor around a bit?

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

On the other hand you'd have an Ork Waaagh! So huge that it'd make Armageddon look like a slapfight with boyz the size of warbosses.

So he'd match The Beast that knocked the emperor around a bit?

He could have a career as a villain in a Godzilla movie.

Still going strong after 40000 years.

Once a Wave Serpent made all 5 Jink saves it took in one game.

Obviously , Serpents are unkillable, because their Jink is OP.

(Insidious anecdote, because Serpents really are OP, and anecdotes like that obscure why)

Dating back to 3E, when Ravenwing bikers had a 6++ jink save...

"Sanchez had a biker make 19 jink saves in a row! As soon as I can afford it, I'm buying a ravenwing army."

 ionusx wrote:
I never bring troops transports, their basically free first blood and kill points -said by an ultrasmurfs player locally here.

That's right his entire army teleport deepstrikes or footsloggs it up the board like it's 1st edition week and nobody brought any long range. It's bloody embarrassing to sm players in General. He fields a land raider as an mbt and doesn't carry troops in it either.

I've heard people call chimeras worthless because they are easy first blood. Seriously I have heard some pretty stupid hatred towards dedicated transports.

Voluntold wrote:
Dating back to 3E, when Ravenwing bikers had a 6++ jink save...

"Sanchez had a biker make 19 jink saves in a row! As soon as I can afford it, I'm buying a ravenwing army."

That's some ridiculously good luck right there.

One of my early games, playing as BA against my friend's Necrons.
After he had killed about 80% of my army, I finally make it to CC. I win it and ran over the Warrior squad. After that I manage to get in HtH with another squad (Immortals, I think). I killed them all.
In the game I made 14 FnP rolls out of 20 (something like that if I recall correctly... it's been a while).

So after that he won the game with no problem.

It's been two (2) years.

I still keep regularly hearing how Blood Angels are OP, due to getting FnP everywhere...

I just can't take it how I lose 4 out of 5 of our games because he plays SM and I struggle with one of the worst armies in the game. But no... they're OP.

 Kain wrote:

Voluntold wrote:
Dating back to 3E, when Ravenwing bikers had a 6++ jink save...

"Sanchez had a biker make 19 jink saves in a row! As soon as I can afford it, I'm buying a ravenwing army."

That's some ridiculously good luck right there.

I've had luck like that with my Sisters and their 6++ invul. I started joking I was more likely to make my saves the more my opponent wanted the model dead after a while.