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 AnomanderRake wrote:
After the addition of Allies, Escalation, and White Dwarf Codexes it's not like the FOC means a lot in current 40k anyways. I don't see this being much of a change beyond making it quicker and easier to define "game with no shenanigans".

I concur. The current game system allows me to field an Inqusitor + servo skulls, a tau army, eldar allies and a space marine data slate formation, so the unbound army thing seems like the logical way forward.

And a LoW and knight...

Poly Ranger wrote:
And a LoW and knight...

I was actually going to add that, but since I'm not currently near my rule book/codices I didn't, so I wouldn't make any false statements. :p

Going a bit off topic here, I don't think the focus on the coming of 7th should be on Unbound vs Battleforged. Personally I am actually a lot more interested in the coming rules in terms of balance. Using the leaked information about the psyker phase (nothing official though) it does kindda' seem reasonable in my eyes.
If we believe the rumours, you will need a 4+ for each warp charge and you can use as many as you like in the power pool. So an average dice roll is 3,5 and we add the ML of the caster, lets say +2, so that gives us roughly 6 dies on average. Now if we are going to summon daemons, you will need 3 warp charges, meaning 3 x 4+ dies, so you will roughly need 6-7 dies to succesfully summon 10 daemons. This doesn't even count the fact of your opponent attemptting to roll for DTW, this all seems balanced to me (if the rumours are true).
This also means that if you play a game with say, Fateweaver + some horrors and random heralds, you would have something like 12-13 dies. This would mean that you could reliably summon 10 daemons, however, if you're expending dies to summon daemons (that still has the chance to denied with DTW because your opponent will have an average of 3,5 dispel dice) you would still have to account that Fateweaver himself has tons of spells he needs to cast, all of which is taken from the main pool, AND your precious horrors will need their prescience + warpfire, so blowing all your dies to summon more daemons could have the diminishing return of vastly reducing your offensive fire power.
Again, this is all assuming that the psyker phase works in any way like the leaks say they do, but the system with the presented examples seems kind of fair to my eyes, just food for thought.

 Wilytank wrote:
Unbound won't be so bad for me as I will simply choose to not play it or against it.

Take your ball and go home eh? Do you really expect people are going to be d-bags? If so, call them out on it then. Why make yourself as the guy who is too scared to play. Instead of just not playing against it, why not talk to the person. See why he is making it. Maybe he wants a poops and giggles game and to see how it is for once. See his real reason for playing it. If its just to win with plastic toy soldiers then call him out on it.

Davor wrote:

 Wilytank wrote:
Unbound won't be so bad for me as I will simply choose to not play it or against it.

Take your ball and go home eh? Do you really expect people are going to be d-bags? If so, call them out on it then. Why make yourself as the guy who is too scared to play. Instead of just not playing against it, why not talk to the person. See why he is making it. Maybe he wants a poops and giggles game and to see how it is for once. See his real reason for playing it. If its just to win with plastic toy soldiers then call him out on it.

My gaming circle is in touch enough to let each other know if they're play testing for NOVA or just doing a casual thing. I don't want to play unbound because I'm not interested in doing so.

There is one thing about unbound tho that potentially removes the point of it though.

The WD mentions something about unbound armies are missing command points? (forget the term used). I dont think we know what those are at the moment, but they sound kinda important.

Unbound armies might not be a good idea, at all. Which if thats true and armies adhering to the FOC are given an advantage, than wtf is the point of unbound? I initially thought it was to help some races (orks come to mind) where FOC limitations hurt them way more than other races.

Though that wont stop me from running a crapload of battlewagons + looted wagons

 Vineheart01 wrote:
There is one thing about unbound tho that potentially removes the point of it though.

The WD mentions something about unbound armies are missing command points? (forget the term used). I dont think we know what those are at the moment, but they sound kinda important.

Unbound armies might not be a good idea, at all. Which if thats true and armies adhering to the FOC are given an advantage, than wtf is the point of unbound? I initially thought it was to help some races (orks come to mind) where FOC limitations hurt them way more than other races.

Though that wont stop me from running a crapload of battlewagons + looted wagons

It's a slight move on GW's part to throw FOC armies a bone for when they go against the all necron monolith lists or Riptide lists. There will be fluffy armies with unbound, but for every cool fluffy one, there will be a horribly broken cheese one.

a Hero Hammer all character battle could be fun... maybe.

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
a Hero Hammer all character battle could be fun... maybe.

A brodown with Calgar, Mephistion, Lyssander, Tigurius and Dante vs the world? Sounds fun to me!

 Vineheart01 wrote:
There is one thing about unbound tho that potentially removes the point of it though.

The WD mentions something about unbound armies are missing command points? (forget the term used). I dont think we know what those are at the moment, but they sound kinda important.

Unbound armies might not be a good idea, at all. Which if thats true and armies adhering to the FOC are given an advantage, than wtf is the point of unbound? I initially thought it was to help some races (orks come to mind) where FOC limitations hurt them way more than other races.

Though that wont stop me from running a crapload of battlewagons + looted wagons

Command points sound very important. Maybe a warlord who does not move in the movement phase can spend a command point to gain fear or soul blaze?

But in all seriousness, I do hope the Battle Forged bonuses aren't to huge. I have no plans to field unbound cheese, but it might be fun to do something a little
weird every once in a while, but not if it will put me at a huge disadvantage against battle forged.