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That is because you are playing on games where cloaks make sense. Okay, scratch that, I meant in game where cloaks make no sense whatsoever, but fit in quite well aesthetically .
I have been staring at my character's back in DCUO for hours, but really it was never the butt that particularly caught my attention. The very cool beret and the wings were more of a focal point.

I tend to look at where my character is going. Call me crazy, but I'd prefer not to walk into a load of mobs because I was too busy ogling my character's rear-assets.

 Avatar 720 wrote:
I tend to look at where my character is going. Call me crazy, but I'd prefer not to walk into a load of mobs because I was too busy ogling my character's rear-assets.

Appearance in Fallout 3 and FNV is very important, because of all of the critical-hit-slo-mo shots of your avatar pumping mutants full of bullets. It's not just the exploding heads that have to look good, then!

 Avatar 720 wrote:
I tend to look at where my character is going. Call me crazy, but I'd prefer not to walk into a load of mobs because I was too busy ogling my character's rear-assets.

Yeah I agree, there's a lot more important things to look at rather than a butt. This is never a factor for me when making a character.

squidhills wrote:

 Avatar 720 wrote:
I tend to look at where my character is going. Call me crazy, but I'd prefer not to walk into a load of mobs because I was too busy ogling my character's rear-assets.

Appearance in Fallout 3 and FNV is very important, because of all of the critical-hit-slo-mo shots of your avatar pumping mutants full of bullets. It's not just the exploding heads that have to look good, then!

Didn't fallout have some of the flattish and uninteresting bottoms in gameing?

 Ashiraya wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:


I almost find it disturbing that people even count butt-staring in when they create characters.

Hey. If you're going to be seeing it for hours on end during the grind to max level, it might as well be pleasant

Cloaks.

I only see the cloak, helm, shoulders, hands, and boots of my character when I play.

Yay for cloaks.

Heh that's always the dumbest thing. A comic from dorkly I think made fun of the hours of tedious planning in making the character and then armoring them up till you can't see any of the details you made at all.

I'm not too big on playing women in games. I'd just imagine it'd be weird for women to play guys. Not so much they'd hate to play guys so much that it'd be confusing mentally. I mean if I was playing as a woman and trying to get some in a game with some guy characters that might be horribly confusing if I was a straight woman. I think I saw a clip from a game called 'Two Souls' (not sure how it turned out but there was at least one negative review somewhere) and I find it funny you're trying to get her some on a date with the handsome guy. I wouldn't call the main female character unattractive as that'd be crazy so much that she seems constantly depressed and in a slump. To be fair I can see why but it sort of gives her a little bit of a creepy vibe. She's still kind of attractive though. Can't say I'd feel comfortable doing it with a girl with an extremely protective and jealous guardian spirit that could kill me if it wanted.

So I guess in short perhaps women wouldn't mind playing as guys getting some if the guys themselves were good looking. In that sense it's not so bad. I mean I'm not saying women only think about that like many guys do but to say they don't at all is ridiculous. It's more that it's frowned upon by society just as guys need to be seen as sex fiends. I don't get it though. Whenever a woman states she's in the mood it's almost like guys cheer but I never hear women cheer for the opposite. It's strange because I imagine guys and girls are more the same than people realize in many ways. We have differences like different parts though obviously . 'Circular bit in circular hole but what if you have a rectangle or triangular shape then what?'

 Avatar 720 wrote:
I tend to look at where my character is going. Call me crazy, but I'd prefer not to walk into a load of mobs because I was too busy ogling my character's rear-assets.

Yeah I prefer to walk into mobs because I have the fullest intent to murder every last one of them.

Who honestly plays a 3rd person game and goes:

"Mmm, look at dat ass..."

 EmilCrane wrote:
Who honestly plays a 3rd person game and goes:

"Mmm, look at dat ass..."

Yeah if I wanted that I'd just flip on some p*rn and be done with it. Oddly enough too much sexy time in movies, video games and other forms of media just distract me from the story. I don't always mind it but if it's constant like in 'the witcher' then you can't pay attention to the actual game. It becomes just fulfilling geralt, "man whore" of rivia's insatiable desires. I honestly wish he would just do it with a creature which turns out to be hermaphroditic or a male posing as a female just so it'd shock him. Considering he'll bone anything female in nature it just comes off as 'trying to be too manly and heterosexual'. Throwing him a 'bone' (yes play on words) in a sense would be kind of funny I think ;P.

The story of 'the witcher' did have a lot of really extreme choices though. For instance one which is like Choice A, B and C where the first two choices f*ck over people and the last choice helps yourself and f*cks over everybody else.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:


I almost find it disturbing that people even count butt-staring in when they create characters.

Hey. If you're going to be seeing it for hours on end during the grind to max level, it might as well be pleasant

Cloaks.

I only see the cloak, helm, shoulders, hands, and boots of my character when I play.

Yay for cloaks.

Heh that's always the dumbest thing. A comic from dorkly I think made fun of the hours of tedious planning in making the character and then armoring them up till you can't see any of the details you made at all.

I'm not too big on playing women in games. I'd just imagine it'd be weird for women to play guys. Not so much they'd hate to play guys so much that it'd be confusing mentally. I mean if I was playing as a woman and trying to get some in a game with some guy characters that might be horribly confusing if I was a straight woman. I think I saw a clip from a game called 'Two Souls' (not sure how it turned out but there was at least one negative review somewhere) and I find it funny you're trying to get her some on a date with the handsome guy. I wouldn't call the main female character unattractive as that'd be crazy so much that she seems constantly depressed and in a slump. To be fair I can see why but it sort of gives her a little bit of a creepy vibe. She's still kind of attractive though. Can't say I'd feel comfortable doing it with a girl with an extremely protective and jealous guardian spirit that could kill me if it wanted.

So I guess in short perhaps women wouldn't mind playing as guys getting some if the guys themselves were good looking. In that sense it's not so bad. I mean I'm not saying women only think about that like many guys do but to say they don't at all is ridiculous. It's more that it's frowned upon by society just as guys need to be seen as sex fiends. I don't get it though. Whenever a woman states she's in the mood it's almost like guys cheer but I never hear women cheer for the opposite. It's strange because I imagine guys and girls are more the same than people realize in many ways. We have differences like different parts though obviously . 'Circular bit in circular hole but what if you have a rectangle or triangular shape then what?'

Dude...I think you're over analyzing it. A video game is just a video game. It doesn't necessarily have to be a virtual representation and extension of yourself. So what if you're playing a character of the opposite sex, and your characters gets together with a character of your sex? The character is not you, you are not the character. You're controlling a virtual character, a collection of digital bytes and pixels in a computer program.

You should be no more creeped out when Lara Croft (2013) kisses her dying male friend, than girls should be when Super Mario rescues Princess Peach. Or when the main character of a movie happens to be the opposite sex and gets together with a character of your sex.

I'm a straight 22 male, but I have no problem making a female character in games such as the Sims, or Tomb Raider, or Skyrim and directing her to have a relationship with a male character. And vice versa. When I play games or read a book or watch a movie, its for escapism. I make up a character, based on whatever archetype and story I feel like playing at the time and just go with it.



As for Jodie in Beyond: Two Souls... She has a hell of a good reason to be so depressed. She's had a powerful supernatural entity shadowing her and simultaneously ruining her life and saving it ever since she was born. Oh, and the Government is chasing her because they want to experiment on her and use her Supernatural 'Powers' for military applications.


And so far as I know, mankind has not yet evolved triangular and rectangular genitals...

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
You should be no more creeped out when Lara Croft (2013) kisses her dying male friend, than girls should be when Super Mario rescues Princess Peach.

Or have to chase after Cortana. Or have Alyx flirt with "you". Or rescue "your" princess from the devil after fighting through a horde of ghouls and ghosts. Or have the game encourage "you" to flirt or even sleep with numerous women. Or have the game shove some scantily-clad woman's ass in "your" face. Or any number of awkward, forced romantic subplots where an NPC woman is lusted after by / has her affection spurned by the male PC, they're really too numerous to bother counting.

But then again, being an entitled white guy means never having to consider other peoples' experiences

Hell, we still have game producers who claim that men really ARE so weak, pathetic, and insecure that they can't handle playing a woman who even just remembers kissing a man (from the objections producers made to Remember Me). Then I get called a misandrist for disagreeing with that assertion

 Melissia wrote:
But then again, being an entitled white guy means never having to consider other peoples' experiences

I am pretty sure there are a bunch of white guys that care about other peoples experience. I do. That is why resources like “Tropes vs. Women in Video Games” and “Escher girls” and a bunch of others are useful. They make it easier to understand how representations of women can be problematic.
For instance, I guess a few years back, I would only have thought of The FP as an awesome movie. Now, I still consider it an awesome movie, but I also noticed how the only female character is sidelined as a puny, very helpless damsel in distress and how that is pretty sad.

 Melissia wrote:
Then I get called a misandrist for disagreeing with that assertion

Come on, everyone knows you are a misandrist .

 Melissia wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
You should be no more creeped out when Lara Croft (2013) kisses her dying male friend, than girls should be when Super Mario rescues Princess Peach.

Or have to chase after Cortana. Or have Alyx flirt with "you". Or rescue "your" princess from the devil after fighting through a horde of ghouls and ghosts. Or have the game encourage "you" to flirt or even sleep with numerous women. Or have the game shove some scantily-clad woman's ass in "your" face. Or any number of awkward, forced romantic subplots where an NPC woman is lusted after by / has her affection spurned by the male PC, they're really too numerous to bother counting.

But then again, being an entitled white guy means never having to consider other peoples' experiences

Hell, we still have game producers who claim that men really ARE so weak, pathetic, and insecure that they can't handle playing a woman who even just remembers kissing a man (from the objections producers made to Remember Me). Then I get called a misandrist for disagreeing with that assertion

um...so are you agreeing with me or disagreeing with me? Are you calling me an "entitled white guy" ?

I don't think you need to get offended over Melissia's post. I also don't think your support for gender equality should hinge on how nice you perceive its supporters to be to you.

Is there an actual source for the paper that inspired the original article? It might be interesting to see what it actually says or what their methodology was. The article says the research is in January's "Information, Communication & Society" but I'm not sure how to verify that or how many millions of dollars it'd take to access it.

COMMENT WITHDRAWN.

I appear to have misread Melissia's comment and made a fool of myself.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Apparently neither does being a whiny feminist who takes offence at the silliest and most trivial things and resorts to petty point scoring, even lashing out at people who are (at least partially) agreeing with her feminist viewpoint.

I do not think her response was directed to you. I am much more convinced it was there to highlight to people who disliked playing female character because they do not feel comfortable with it, especially if she is flirting with guys (i.e. not you ), how often it happens the other way around. Something along the lines of “You do not like it? Then you need to realize we have to deal with this kind of gak all the time”.
See, that is why you basically end up agreeing on everything. Now chill out, and try reading her post again while not considering you are the entitled white male. Do you still disagree with what she says?

Also keep it mind that always being at the wrong end of the stick tend to make people go on random angry rants more often. I know. See my sig' for more .

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 HiveFleetPlastic wrote:
I don't think you need to get offended over Melissia's post.

I was offended at being labeled "an entitled white guy", even though I was actually agreeing with some of her points. (her remark on Remember Me I agree with 100%).

Like Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl, I don't think she was talking about you.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Apparently neither does being a whiny feminist who takes offence at the silliest and most trivial things and resorts to petty point scoring, even lashing out at people who are (at least partially) agreeing with her feminist viewpoint.

I do not think her response was directed to you. I am much more convinced it was there to highlight to people who disliked playing female character because they do not feel comfortable with it, especially if she is flirting with guys (i.e. not you ), how often it happens the other way around. Something along the lines of “You do not like it? Then you need to realize we have to deal with this kind of gak all the time”.
See, that is why you basically end up agreeing on everything. Now chill out, and try reading her post again while not considering you are the entitled white male. Do you still disagree with what she says?

Also keep it mind that always being at the wrong end of the stick tend to make people go on random angry rants more often. I know. See my sig' for more .

In that case I'll withdraw the comment.

She was quoting me, so I thought it was directed at me ("being an entitled white guy means not having to consider other peoples feelings"). I thought she was saying its sexist to have female characters pining after males or something.

I think I recall her lashing out and making accusations of "white male entitlement" i previous threads, so in my knee jerk reaction I thought that was again the case here.

Sorry Melissia, seems I totally misread your comment.

I wonder now. How many people are really uncomfortable playing as a character of a different gender? (Butt staring doesn't count.)

nomotog wrote:

squidhills wrote:

 Avatar 720 wrote:
I tend to look at where my character is going. Call me crazy, but I'd prefer not to walk into a load of mobs because I was too busy ogling my character's rear-assets.

Appearance in Fallout 3 and FNV is very important, because of all of the critical-hit-slo-mo shots of your avatar pumping mutants full of bullets. It's not just the exploding heads that have to look good, then!

Didn't fallout have some of the flattish and uninteresting bottoms in gameing?

And that's why the mod community invented body replacers!

squidhills wrote:

nomotog wrote:

squidhills wrote:

 Avatar 720 wrote:
I tend to look at where my character is going. Call me crazy, but I'd prefer not to walk into a load of mobs because I was too busy ogling my character's rear-assets.

Appearance in Fallout 3 and FNV is very important, because of all of the critical-hit-slo-mo shots of your avatar pumping mutants full of bullets. It's not just the exploding heads that have to look good, then!

Didn't fallout have some of the flattish and uninteresting bottoms in gameing?

And that's why the mod community invented body replacers!

It's a bit like real life, really.

squidhills wrote:
And that's why the mod community invented body replacers!

Do you mean they needed more fanservice?

nomotog wrote:
I wonder now. How many people are really uncomfortable playing as a character of a different gender? (Butt staring doesn't count.)

Not uncomfortable. I don't think I am.
I have my preferences when I make a character but it varies from game to game.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

squidhills wrote:
And that's why the mod community invented body replacers!

Do you mean they needed more fanservice?

I'm not sure it's called Fan Service if it's the fans doing it

I usually play Elves in fantasy games so I've no issue playing female characters.

 Slarg232 wrote:
I'm not sure it's called Fan Service if it's the fans doing it

Why not? I am pretty sure the fans love servicing themselves.


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 MrDwhitey wrote:
I usually play Elves in fantasy games so I've no issue playing female characters.

Not sure on the link between playing elves and playing female characters.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:


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 MrDwhitey wrote:
I usually play Elves in fantasy games so I've no issue playing female characters.

Not sure on the link between playing elves and playing female characters.

I think it was a jab at elf males being effeminate and girly. In other words, "elf males are girly, so when I play an elf male, it's like I'm playing a human female!"

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

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 MrDwhitey wrote:
I usually play Elves in fantasy games so I've no issue playing female characters.

Not sure on the link between playing elves and playing female characters.

It's because elves are often depicted embodying what are commonly thought of as female traits. it's mostly a joke though.

Indeed, one of the running gags in Looking for Group (A online comic about a group of adventurers) is that no one can tell if the male elf ranger is a dude or lady when they first meet him, and in Order of the Stick it's never stated if Vesuvious is a male or female (and is often the butt of jokes because of it).

That kind of humor is everywhere

Which is kind of silly really, most of the time the male elves in games just have realistic proportions instead of massive bulging muscles like everyone else, and that makes them "feminine" or some other crap.