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BladeSwinga wrote:
You could get all 100 marines using dual FOC. Something I thought up would be a terminator strike force, using all manner of tactical/assault termies w/termie HQs and land raiders. Not many bodies, but would be fun to play.

Couldn't he just take Devastators without any heavy weapons?

 Noremac wrote:
Good 'ol Rubric Marines.

I would need to build some with icons to make that list work. Also would need to make more disc sorcerers.

Fortunately, I have most of the bits to do both. Just need to get some discs, and get to building, and I'm in business.

 YFNPsycho wrote:

BladeSwinga wrote:
You could get all 100 marines using dual FOC. Something I thought up would be a terminator strike force, using all manner of tactical/assault termies w/termie HQs and land raiders. Not many bodies, but would be fun to play.

Couldn't he just take Devastators without any heavy weapons?

That would bring you up to 90, with options for BS 5 bolters

To fill up the rest, either footslogging assault marines or sternguard vets? Assault marines would give you either a drop pod or a MEHTAL BAWKS- erm, rhino, while sternguard would add some punch to your endless stream of bolter fire. And in the spirit of it, your HQ will have to take a bolter too. This whole list would be great with Imperial Fists CT.

5 LRC with deathwing vehicle and multimelta
Dakkabanner command squad.
Azrael

Monoliths. Monoliths everywhere.

Ha. All these puny lists still won't have a chance against my Fenrisian Wolves!

I'm having a hard time seeing a lot of the lists as "fluffy".

Noisemarines without a chaos lord. Dear god I want a list with noisemarines that are scoring without needing a chaos lord!!

Now if seventh makes EVERYTHING scoring like they have rumored, then this is possible with noisemarines as elites.

Also, I would like to just take a squad of seekers with a herald - or even without a herald, without having to take a squad of daemonettes as well. Or just lots of daemonettes without being restricted by the allied force org but without needing to roll on the daemon table. Or just take a Keeper of secrets without the daemonette tax. All sorts of things to allow me to be more slaaneshi.

You said "fluffy" so let's throw out some ideas (I'm not at home with Army Builder or my books to work out points for actual lists). I'm using the point from WD that they made about Unbound allowing you to mix armies.

1. Slaanesh-Possessed Sisters of Battle
If you've read Daemonifuge, that's where I'm getting this idea. There was a Sisters group that landed on a planet to investigate it, and a Keeper of Secrets tore their souls from their bodies and melded them together in some kind of crazy sphere, leaving the bodies to be possessed by daemons, who he later uses against Ephrael Stern and her fellow Sisters. This could be represented with a Keeper of Secrets, Slaanesh Daemons, and Sisters of Battle (just Sisters, no additions like Priest or whatever). Bonus for modeling the Sisters post-possession.

2. Blood Axes
Ork Blood Axes! Not just content to do things like have a bunch of Kommandos (assuming those are useful again). I mean complete with looted Imperial Guard vehicles, or even with mercenary or "rogue" IG elements in the army. The original Blood Axes army list actually included IG squads, so this makes sense.

3. Iron Warriors
Havocs out the wazoo, Vindicators, Obliterators, Basilisks borrowed from the IG... A true siege army, bringing devastating firepower.

4. Genestealer Cult
Genestealers, something to represent a Patriarch (Tyranid Prime?), and IG. A Primaris Psyker can represent a Magus. Alternately, Ork Stealer Cult.

5. Ork Freebooters / Assorted Pirates
Or just go the whole distance with Orks: Freebooterz! Shooty Orks with lots of bling, IG to represent human mercenaries, Eldar Guardians to represent Eldar Pirates, renegade Space Marines (CSM)... a merry band of misfits, without much in the way of tanks or artillery, but a scrappy attitude!

6. The Island of Doktor Morko
A mad Ork Painboss (and his assistant Painboyz and Mekboyz) come across a bunch of dead Tyranids and decide to "re-animate" them as some kind of insane creations. Model the Tyranids with extra bits bolted on, wires, tanks, etc.

7. Word Bearers
CSM and Daemons in a big mass, led by a Dark Apostle. Throw in Chaos Sorcerers with Malefic powers for extra bonus, and Cultists to represent local populace forced to fight for the Word Bearers and act as sacrifices to the Dark Gods (stab a cultist, summon a Herald!).

I'll surely think of more later. But I'd hope if people mix armies for something like this, they do work to model things up so it fits the theme, they don't just chuck models from different armies together for their own advantage. Biggest thing is, it'd look darned cool.


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 Spellbound wrote:
Now if seventh makes EVERYTHING scoring like they have rumored, then this is possible with noisemarines as elites.

Not a rumor. WD says all units are scoring now, but Troops choices in a Battle-Forged army will have priority over anything else (i.e. non-Troops in a BF army or anything in an Unbound army).

BladeSwinga wrote:

 YFNPsycho wrote:

BladeSwinga wrote:
You could get all 100 marines using dual FOC. Something I thought up would be a terminator strike force, using all manner of tactical/assault termies w/termie HQs and land raiders. Not many bodies, but would be fun to play.

Couldn't he just take Devastators without any heavy weapons?

That would bring you up to 90, with options for BS 5 bolters

To fill up the rest, either footslogging assault marines or sternguard vets? Assault marines would give you either a drop pod or a MEHTAL BAWKS- erm, rhino, while sternguard would add some punch to your endless stream of bolter fire. And in the spirit of it, your HQ will have to take a bolter too. This whole list would be great with Imperial Fists CT.

And if you use the sentinels of terra supplement you can take one squad of tacticals as HQ but the sergeant gets a captain's statline and a power fist and it costs some extra points. And you get the imperial fist chapter tactics with the modification that you re-roll all to hit rolls with bolters within half range. So provided you take naked devastators and the sentinels of terra supplement you can get to 100 marines with one FOC.

And if you want to be actually fluffy, you can still get a full battle company in one FOC.

Captain

6x10 Tacticals

2x10 Assault Marines

2x10 Devastators

1550.

200/300 points to give them guns and whatnot.

 Thud wrote:
And if you want to be actually fluffy, you can still get a full battle company in one FOC.

Captain

6x10 Tacticals

2x10 Assault Marines

2x10 Devastators

1550.

200/300 points to give them guns and whatnot.

Stock up on lascannons.

Pwn.

Couple of my own ideas, that have been touched on already.

Tzeentch CSM where all squads have a sorcerer in them, not just the 1KS.

CSM with heresy era tech, things like whirlwinds and the other equipment that all marines discard when they turn traitor.

prankster wrote:

Tzeentch CSM where all squads have a sorcerer in them, not just the 1KS.

Amusingly, that would be more effective than actual 1k sons armies

 Selym wrote:

prankster wrote:

Tzeentch CSM where all squads have a sorcerer in them, not just the 1KS.

Amusingly, that would be more effective than actual 1k sons armies

A poke in the eye is often more effective than an actual 1K Sons army Unless it's against one local opponent, then everything works as it's supposed to and there's pink fire everywhere.

Valhallan Strategic Rocket Forces

CCS- Master of Ordnance
12x Deathstrike Missiles

 EmilCrane wrote:
Valhallan Strategic Rocket Forces

CCS- Master of Ordnance
12x Deathstrike Missiles

To quote the late General Uustengrav of the 18th Landsharks' Artillery Detachment:

 EmilCrane wrote:
Valhallan Strategic Rocket Forces

CCS- Master of Ordnance
12x Deathstrike Missiles

Still can't handle my pure Fenrisian Wolves force.

My unbound list is based on the fluff of the frustrated 40K player...

Okay get this

All my stuff for sale on e-bay!!

try to beat that!!!

 Noremac wrote:

 EmilCrane wrote:
Valhallan Strategic Rocket Forces

CCS- Master of Ordnance
12x Deathstrike Missiles

Still can't handle my pure Fenrisian Wolves force.

Depends if I roll well first turn or not

 Noremac wrote:

 EmilCrane wrote:
Valhallan Strategic Rocket Forces

CCS- Master of Ordnance
12x Deathstrike Missiles

Still can't handle my pure Fenrisian Wolves force.

How many wolf and how tough?

 Bobthehero wrote:

 Noremac wrote:

 EmilCrane wrote:
Valhallan Strategic Rocket Forces

CCS- Master of Ordnance
12x Deathstrike Missiles

Still can't handle my pure Fenrisian Wolves force.

How many wolf and how tough?

[Using the totally "real" Forgeworld dataslate.]

Fenrisian Wolf Pack
---
500 Fenrisian Wolves.
*At the start of each one of your turns place another 100 Fenrisian Wolves on the table.*

Special Rules:

Hungry Like the Wolf:
All wolves never die and all their weapons are considered Str: D.


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Also, you MUST play "Hungry Like the Wolves" whenever it is your turn, on loop, on max volume. Each time you howl in synchronization with the song you gain 1,000,000 VPs.

Dang, the 100 bolter marines-army is growing in its appeal. Whoever is the first to field it, remember to take pictures!

Given that snap fire now will be on BS -2 meaning 5s to hit, and combined with either Ultramarines or Imperial Fists (bolter drill) chapter tactics, it would actually be hilarious to watch them kill some stuff. For example boatloads of Fenrisian wolves or boyz.

Devastator squads without heavy weapons, all boltguns, now that's cool! Imperial fist ones with Tank hunters re-roll armour penetration rolls too, meaning that you might glance some poor AV10 vehicles to death, and with 5s to hit vs Fliers even the odd Ork dakkajet have to watch out..

 Noremac wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:

 Noremac wrote:

 EmilCrane wrote:
Valhallan Strategic Rocket Forces

CCS- Master of Ordnance
12x Deathstrike Missiles

Still can't handle my pure Fenrisian Wolves force.

How many wolf and how tough?

[Using the totally "real" Forgeworld dataslate.]

Fenrisian Wolf Pack
---
500 Fenrisian Wolves.
*At the start of each one of your turns place another 100 Fenrisian Wolves on the table.*

Special Rules:

Hungry Like the Wolf:
All wolves never die and all their weapons are considered Str: D.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Also, you MUST play "Hungry Like the Wolves" whenever it is your turn, on loop, on max volume. Each time you howl in synchronization with the song you gain 1,000,000 VPs.

Seems legit. Certainly more balanced than 7th edition is going to be

If the opponent was prepared for it it would also be cool to field Abaddon's inner circle of elite black legion warriors.


Abaddon
265

10 Terminators, harbringers of despair (WS, BS5), mark of khorne + banner of rage (rage, counter-attack, reroll charge distance, furious charge), 2x chainfists, 3x power fists, 5 x mauls/axes, 8 x c6mbi-weapons, 2x reaper autocannon, VoTLW
~577

Daemon prince of slaanesh, black mace, power armour, 3x ML (biomancy)
295
10 Terminators, mark of slaanesh (+1I), icon of excess (FnP), 2 x chainfists, 3x power fists, 5 x mauls, 8x combi-weapons, 2x reaper autocannons, VoTLW
~582

~1480

This nice little core block of ~1500pts should be able to punch a nice little hole in the center of.. everything. Which they should be, according to fluff. Add some teleporting 3-man combi-weapon Terminator squads for spearheading, and/or some Chosen squads for backup to take it to 1750/1850.

 westiebestie wrote:
If the opponent was prepared for it it would also be cool to field Abaddon's inner circle of elite black legion warriors.


Abaddon
265

10 Terminators, harbringers of despair, mark of khorne, banner of rage, 2x chainfists, 3x power fists, 5 x mauls/axes, 8 x c6mbi-weapons, 2x reaper autocannon
~547

Daemon prince of slaanesh, black mace, power armour, 3x ML (biomancy)
295
10 Terminators, mark of slaanesh, icon of excess, 2 x chainfists, 3x power fists, 5 x mauls, 8x combi-weapons, 2x reaper autocannons
~552

~1420

This nice little core block of ~ 1420pts should be able to punch a nice little hole in the center of.. everything. Which they should be, according to fluff. Add some teleporting 3-man combi-weapon Terminator squads for spearheading, and some Chosen squads for backup.

The daemon seems a bit out of place.

What would you build for a 3k point game?

With an HH army you can already do a 100 marine bolter army and still have a troop slot left and only cost 1250. Don't move and you have the equivalent of 200 bolters. No need for unbound there. For an extra 250 points you can give each Feel no pain and Intercept, and for an extra 50, you can have them reroll leadership checks. In a 1750 force, that still leaves you the points for a hard as nails commander.

 Kain wrote:

The daemon seems a bit out of place.

What would you build for a 3k point game?

I don't think it's out of place. I can't remember where now, but I recall reading about Abaddon and his legion allying with a powerful daemon prince at one time. If I recall wrongly, it would still make sense that one of his most trusted champions finally were "rewarded" by the gods through a Dark Apotheosis and transformed into a daemon prince..

For 3000 points of the very best of the very most evil, I'd like to field something like this. I don't have the Codex with me, so the points are from my head.

Abaddon
265

10 Terminators, harbringers of despair (WS, BS5), mark of khorne + banner of rage (rage, counter-attack, reroll charge distance, furious charge), 2x chainfists, 3x power fists, 5 x mauls/axes, 8 x c6mbi-weapons, 2x reaper autocannon, VoTLW
~577

Daemon prince of slaanesh, black mace, power armour, 3x ML (biomancy)
295
10 Terminators, mark of slaanesh (+1I), icon of excess (FnP), 2 x chainfists, 3x power fists, 5 x mauls, 8x combi-weapons, 2x reaper autocannons, VoTLW
~582


3 Terminators, 3x combi-melta, 1x chainfist, VoTLW
130

3 Terminators, 3x combi-melta, 1x chainfist, VoTLW
130

3 Terminators, 3x combi-melta, 1x chainfist, VoTLW
130

Hellfist murderpack
5 x Helbrutes, 3x reaper autocannon, 2x plasma cannon, 3x heavy flamers, 2 x thunder hammer
(Champion Brute has Aura of Dark glory)
110+110+120+125+125
590

10 Chosen, VoTLW, 5 flamers
225
Rhino, dirge caster, dozer blade, combi-flamer
55

~2980

 westiebestie wrote:

 Kain wrote:

The daemon seems a bit out of place.

What would you build for a 3k point game?

I don't think it's out of place. I can't remember where now, but I recall reading about Abaddon and his legion allying with a powerful daemon prince at one time. If I recall wrongly, it would still make sense that one of his most trusted champions finally were "rewarded" by the gods through a Dark Apotheosis and transformed into a daemon prince..

For 3000 points of the very best of the very most evil, I'd like to field something like this. I don't have the Codex with me, so the points are from my head.

Abaddon
265

10 Terminators, harbringers of despair (WS, BS5), mark of khorne + banner of rage (rage, counter-attack, reroll charge distance, furious charge), 2x chainfists, 3x power fists, 5 x mauls/axes, 8 x c6mbi-weapons, 2x reaper autocannon, VoTLW
~577

Daemon prince of slaanesh, black mace, power armour, 3x ML (biomancy)
295
10 Terminators, mark of slaanesh (+1I), icon of excess (FnP), 2 x chainfists, 3x power fists, 5 x mauls, 8x combi-weapons, 2x reaper autocannons, VoTLW
~582


3 Terminators, 3x combi-melta, 1x chainfist, VoTLW
130

3 Terminators, 3x combi-melta, 1x chainfist, VoTLW
130

3 Terminators, 3x combi-melta, 1x chainfist, VoTLW
130

Hellfist murderpack
5 x Helbrutes, 3x reaper autocannon, 2x plasma cannon, 3x heavy flamers, 2 x thunder hammer
(Champion Brute has Aura of Dark glory)
110+110+120+125+125
590

10 Chosen, VoTLW, 5 flamers
225
Rhino, dirge caster, dozer blade, combi-flamer
55

~2980

I personally took that quote as meaning that he allied (begrudgingly) with Be'Lakor.

An alliance that will last about as long as it takes for one of them to be in a position to stab the other in the back. But such is the way of Chaos.

 Kain wrote:

 westiebestie wrote:

 Kain wrote:

The daemon seems a bit out of place.

What would you build for a 3k point game?

I don't think it's out of place. I can't remember where now, but I recall reading about Abaddon and his legion allying with a powerful daemon prince at one time. If I recall wrongly, it would still make sense that one of his most trusted champions finally were "rewarded" by the gods through a Dark Apotheosis and transformed into a daemon prince..

I personally took that quote as meaning that he allied (begrudgingly) with Be'Lakor.

An alliance that will last about as long as it takes for one of them to be in a position to stab the other in the back. But such is the way of Chaos.