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 westiebestie wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 westiebestie wrote:

 Kain wrote:

The daemon seems a bit out of place.

What would you build for a 3k point game?

I don't think it's out of place. I can't remember where now, but I recall reading about Abaddon and his legion allying with a powerful daemon prince at one time. If I recall wrongly, it would still make sense that one of his most trusted champions finally were "rewarded" by the gods through a Dark Apotheosis and transformed into a daemon prince..

I personally took that quote as meaning that he allied (begrudgingly) with Be'Lakor.

An alliance that will last about as long as it takes for one of them to be in a position to stab the other in the back. But such is the way of Chaos.

Being the champion of all four dark gods operates under highlander rules after all.

Some of these lists from above you could do before "Unbound", while some are just power gaming versus fluffy...

I, for one, and VERY excited about Unbound...and not because I can take an army of Chapter Masters. I can take...

I could always do Deathwatch, using Blood Angels, but now you can take Vanguard Veterans instead of Assault Marines.

Harlequin army like I had in Rogue Trader days...

Ordo Psykana from the Blood Ravens...Librarians and Servitors. Combine them with IG and Inquisitors, and you can have an Explorator joining the Blood Ravens.

Cpatain Shrike with an ALL Assault Marine army behind him...

No power gaming...just fluffy and REALLY old armies....

 CaptainLoken wrote:

I, for one, and VERY excited about Unbound...and not because I can take an army of Chapter Masters.

Outfit a BUNCH of captains and chapter masters with basic tactical wargear and now you really have bolter porn marines. (outfit them all as you would a tactical squad (1 chaptermaster with bolt pistol/power sword or fist maybe and 9 captains, all with bolters, and 1 special weapon)) (actually that sounds like a lot of fun for some reason)

Edit: In fact:
1000 points Bolter porn/ black library marines

Chapter master w/ power sword digital wepaons auspex black templar
Captain with primarchs wrath (made to look like a heavy bolter) Imperial fist
Captain with bolter x 8 imperial fist

1000 on the dot.

 westiebestie wrote:
Dang, the 100 bolter marines-army is growing in its appeal. Whoever is the first to field it, remember to take pictures!

Given that snap fire now will be on BS -2 meaning 5s to hit, and combined with either Ultramarines or Imperial Fists (bolter drill) chapter tactics, it would actually be hilarious to watch them kill some stuff. For example boatloads of Fenrisian wolves or boyz.

Devastator squads without heavy weapons, all boltguns, now that's cool! Imperial fist ones with Tank hunters re-roll armour penetration rolls too, meaning that you might glance some poor AV10 vehicles to death, and with 5s to hit vs Fliers even the odd Ork dakkajet have to watch out..

I thought that was a bogus rumour and snap fire is still -1.

Would love to make a Sisters list of just Repentia all in Land Raiders with loads of Penitent Engines

AM 1st platoon, airborne: 5 Veteran Squads in individual Valkyries with a Company Command squad in a vendetta. Add a regular platoon and maybe another Company command squad to start on table as the ground forces the airborne first platoon are sent in to support and some sentinels for the ground forces(so you do not lose at the end of game turn 1).

SM 10th Company: 1 chaplain, 1 Captain, 100 scouts in both regular scout squads and scout bikers.

SM 1st company: all Vanguard, Sternguard, and Termies.

Black Library CSM (as long as CSM are the main characters):

-Chaos Lord w/Terminator Armour, MoN, VotLW, Chainfist, Lightning Claw [117 pts]
-9x Chaos Lord w/Terminator Armour, MoN, VotLW, Combi-Melta, Lightning Claw [97 pts]
-990 pts.


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BL CSM if they are fighting the IOM, not as the main characters:

-10x Cultists [1000 pts]

-1000 pts.

 Selym wrote:
Black Library CSM (as long as CSM are the main characters):

-Chaos Lord w/Terminator Armour, MoN, VotLW, Chainfist, Lightning Claw [117 pts]
-9x Chaos Lord w/Terminator Armour, MoN, VotLW, Combi-Melta, Lightning Claw [97 pts]
-990 pts.

Your points are off, the first Lord should be 157 pts and the rest of them are 137 pts each. I.e. you have forgotten to pay for the Terminator armour upgrade for all of them.


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Davor wrote:

 westiebestie wrote:
Dang, the 100 bolter marines-army is growing in its appeal. Whoever is the first to field it, remember to take pictures!

Given that snap fire now will be on BS -2 meaning 5s to hit, and combined with either Ultramarines or Imperial Fists (bolter drill) chapter tactics, it would actually be hilarious to watch them kill some stuff. For example boatloads of Fenrisian wolves or boyz.

Devastator squads without heavy weapons, all boltguns, now that's cool! Imperial fist ones with Tank hunters re-roll armour penetration rolls too, meaning that you might glance some poor AV10 vehicles to death, and with 5s to hit vs Fliers even the odd Ork dakkajet have to watch out..

I thought that was a bogus rumour and snap fire is still -1.

I hope you are wrong as that is the rumoured change I'm looking forward to the most..

 westiebestie wrote:

 Selym wrote:
Black Library CSM (as long as CSM are the main characters):

-Chaos Lord w/Terminator Armour, MoN, VotLW, Chainfist, Lightning Claw [117 pts]
-9x Chaos Lord w/Terminator Armour, MoN, VotLW, Combi-Melta, Lightning Claw [97 pts]
-1390 pts.

Your points are off, the first Lord should be 157 pts and the rest of them are 137 pts each. I.e. you have forgotten to pay for the Terminator armour upgrade for all of them.

Damn, good point.

-Chaos Lord w/Terminator Armour, MoN, VotLW, Chainfist, Lightning Claw [157 pts]
-9x Chaos Lord w/Terminator Armour, MoN, VotLW, Combi-Melta, Lightning Claw [137 pts]
-990 pts.

 Selym wrote:

 westiebestie wrote:

 Selym wrote:
Black Library CSM (as long as CSM are the main characters):

-Chaos Lord w/Terminator Armour, MoN, VotLW, Chainfist, Lightning Claw [117 pts]
-9x Chaos Lord w/Terminator Armour, MoN, VotLW, Combi-Melta, Lightning Claw [97 pts]
-1390 pts.

Your points are off, the first Lord should be 157 pts and the rest of them are 137 pts each. I.e. you have forgotten to pay for the Terminator armour upgrade for all of them.

Damn, good point.

-Chaos Lord w/Terminator Armour, MoN, VotLW, Chainfist, Lightning Claw [157 pts]
-9x Chaos Lord w/Terminator Armour, MoN, VotLW, Combi-Melta, Lightning Claw [137 pts]
-990 pts.

Er. Check your math again.
(137 x 9 = 1233)
(157 + 1233 = 1390)

So your total should be 1,390 Points, not 990.

Here's one for World Eaters:
3-4 Landraiders
As many Khorne Berzerkers as you can fit
ALL CHAINAXES. ALL THE TIME.
Extra fluff points if the squads are 8-man.

...oh, and a Helturkey for the lulz.

As has been mentioned before, ALL VANGUARD VETERANS! Blood Angels or Raven Guard. Using heroic intervention they would mess up the opponents army something fierce! Unbeatable I think. Bring a unit of scouts so your not tabled turn 1.
scout sergeant: "Captain, I have located the enemy, and he is UGLY!"
Captain: "Initiating jump pack assault."
Make sure some squads have power fists for taking out vehicles and you could wipe out there entire army without them getting a chance to kill more than a couple of your men.
Not much fun to play against.

 Kavish wrote:
As has been mentioned before, ALL VANGUARD VETERANS! Blood Angels or Raven Guard. Using heroic intervention they would mess up the opponents army something fierce! Unbeatable I think. Bring a unit of scouts so your not tabled turn 1.
scout sergeant: "Captain, I have located the enemy, and he is UGLY!"
Captain: "Initiating jump pack assault."
Make sure some squads have power fists for taking out vehicles and you could wipe out there entire army without them getting a chance to kill more than a couple of your men.
Not much fun to play against.

A unit of scouts will still get tabled turn 1, even 10 in cover.

Last game I had with a buddy of mine i had to stop shooting at the 33% of his army that started on table(he had some flyers too) in order to not table him and let him actually play the game.

 Noremac wrote:

 Selym wrote:

 westiebestie wrote:

 Selym wrote:
Black Library CSM (as long as CSM are the main characters):

-Chaos Lord w/Terminator Armour, MoN, VotLW, Chainfist, Lightning Claw [117 pts]
-9x Chaos Lord w/Terminator Armour, MoN, VotLW, Combi-Melta, Lightning Claw [97 pts]
-1390 pts.

Your points are off, the first Lord should be 157 pts and the rest of them are 137 pts each. I.e. you have forgotten to pay for the Terminator armour upgrade for all of them.

Damn, good point.

-Chaos Lord w/Terminator Armour, MoN, VotLW, Chainfist, Lightning Claw [157 pts]
-9x Chaos Lord w/Terminator Armour, MoN, VotLW, Combi-Melta, Lightning Claw [137 pts]
-990 pts.

Er. Check your math again.
(137 x 9 = 1233)
(157 + 1233 = 1390)

So your total should be 1,390 Points, not 990.

Ah, ffs. I put the corrected total in the wrong place

It's on the original for some reason

No worries, mate!

 Kommissar Kel wrote:

 Kavish wrote:
As has been mentioned before, ALL VANGUARD VETERANS! Blood Angels or Raven Guard. Using heroic intervention they would mess up the opponents army something fierce! Unbeatable I think. Bring a unit of scouts so your not tabled turn 1.
scout sergeant: "Captain, I have located the enemy, and he is UGLY!"
Captain: "Initiating jump pack assault."
Make sure some squads have power fists for taking out vehicles and you could wipe out there entire army without them getting a chance to kill more than a couple of your men.
Not much fun to play against.

A unit of scouts will still get tabled turn 1, even 10 in cover.

Last game I had with a buddy of mine i had to stop shooting at the 33% of his army that started on table(he had some flyers too) in order to not table him and let him actually play the game.

Maybe. Not if they're behind line of sight blocking terrain. Except if you have heaps of artillery.

9 Herald's of Tzeentch LvL 3

9 Units of 14 Horrors

2000 points

45 Power Dice

Magic number nine

Horrors vs. Wolves. Advantage Wolves.
Ha.
But seriously,
Nothing will beat my Fenrisian Wolves. Nothing.

IG fluff lists:
1. IT'S A TRAP: Some 50 Guardsmen, some Aegis, and at least 6 to 8 Deathstrikes. Put 3 in one corner, 3 in the other corner, and 2 in the middle of your deployment zone, all behind cover and Aegis lines.

2. Blitzkrieg: Leman Russ line and flyers.

3. So much heresy: All Primaris and Wyrdvane *cough, cough, SANCTIONED, cough* Psykers. Roll everything on Malefic? (That demon one) powers. Spawn in demons, become demons, or just have your heads explode because demon.

4. I think this could actually be done legally, but with the Outflank warlord trait, outflank a platoon of 50 guardsmen, 3 executioners/punishers/demos, and a Baneblade.
"Sir, we have a visual on the enemy!'
"What've they brought?"
"There's... just... one Chimera. Wait, someone's coming out the top hatch. Why is he smiling--?"
*Heavy rumbling from all sides ensues*

Can't beat my wolves.

 Noremac wrote:
Can't beat my wolves.

Tell that to the Psykers making demons that hit you with demons and the Psykers are throwing demons at you and spontaneously becoming demons and being killed by demons simultaneously, because demon.