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I'm finding myself more and more interested in building an eldar 1850 list,
And this is what I've come up with.

Spiritseer 70
Farseer: singing spear; Eldar jetbike 120

5 Wraithguard 160
• Wave Serpent: Holo-fields; twin-linked scatter laser 135
5 Wraithguard 160
• Wave Serpent: Holo-fields; twin-linked scatter laser 135
10 Guardian Defenders: Heavy Weapon Platform (bright lance) 110
10 Guardian Defenders: Heavy Weapon Platform (bright lance) 110
5 Rangers 60

9 Warp Spiders: Warp Spider Exarch (spinneret rifle; Fast Shot) 206

5 Dark Reapers: Dark Reaper Exarch (Eldar missile launcher with plasma and starshot missiles; Fast Shot) 185
Wraithknight: suncannon and scattershield; scatter laser 300

Aegis Defence Lines: Gun Emplacement with Quad-gun 100

1,851 points





What do you think? I'm very new to eldar, so I welcome any critique

Looks good, drop the spear on the Farseer to bring you down to 1850.

Also I'm guessing the spiders are helping you with aa? Otherwise 9 is a bit overkill.

Ok, some basics here...

An exarch on spiders can be a waste. When you make a warp jump move you potentially lose one, and that one is selected at random. Could be the exarch. So save the points. You done need what he gives you.

What's the Farseer giving you here? On a jetbike on his own he's a little exposed and quite likely to not survive. If you want one on a jetbike you pretty much need a mantle-seer. Then he becomes a tank. Otherwise a second spiritseer is useful if you're using the iyanden supplement.

Why the wraithknight upgrades? Honestly I think they're best stock. Strength 10 wraith weapons at 36" are awesome. I've dropped O'vesa on turn one with them. Save those points. Perhaps use the for D-Scythes on a guard squad. Then you can disembark, and with voice of twilight run and flame....there's very little that will survive that when sat on an objective.

Well, hes taking the exarch for the spinneret rifle and fast shot for a couple of free Ap1 shots (just guessing I could be wrong).

The farseer is probably may be going with the spiders hence the bike, or maybe just chilling with the reapers, either way the bike gives him +1 T and lets him turbo boost for last turn line breaker.

The WK i'm guessing has the upgrades so he can get some TL S6 Ap2 blasts (again just guessing).

 Arbiter wrote:
Well, hes taking the exarch for the spinneret rifle and fast shot for a couple of free Ap1 shots (just guessing I could be wrong).

The farseer is probably may be going with the spiders hence the bike, or maybe just chilling with the reapers, either way the bike gives him +1 T and lets him turbo boost for last turn line breaker.

The WK i'm guessing has the upgrades so he can get some TL S6 Ap2 blasts (again just guessing).

Yeah, I think I get his thought process too. I just think there's more efficient ways of spending points.

Just to note, I run a 1500 point tournament army, very basically it is this:

Spiritseer - wraithforge stone.
5 wraith scythes in a dakka serpent
5 wraith guard in a dakka serpent
5 wraith guard in a dakka serpent
Wraith knight - stock
Wraith knight - stock

Yes and your a WAAC player hence the 0 thought processes it took to make it.

@Action

Keep you list the way it is, don't make it into every other internet spam list you see, its the tactics that make a general, not over powered rules.

Class dismissed.

To take advantage of your farseer a bit more give him a blob of 20 Guardians to hang with. I also think Bikes > Rangers at the end of the day. A list I've been really wanting to build that I feel is similar:

Farseer
Spiritseer

5 x D-Scythe WG w/ Serpent (SL, SC, GWM)
5 x WG w/ Serpent (SL, SC, GWM)
2 x 3 Gurdian Jet Bikes
20 Guardians w/ 2 BL

2 x 6 Warp Spiders

2 x Wraith Knights

1850

~Casey

Lol, thanks arbiter. That was exactly my thought process. I think I'll keep it as is then since I've been re assured it's an ok list. If ANY thing, I might drop the farseer, one warp spider and one dark reaper in exchange for another spiritseer and a wraithlord but well see. Anyway, thank you and everyone else for the advice! I'm new to eldar and haven't played them yet so I've been trying to brainstorm a fun list of things I LIKE while still being effective.


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(And dropping the rangers, sorry meant to add that

 Arbiter wrote:
Yes and your a WAAC player hence the 0 thought processes it took to make it.

@Action

Keep you list the way it is, don't make it into every other internet spam list you see, its the tactics that make a general, not over powered rules.

Class dismissed.

A spam list? If I'd wanted a spam list I wouldn't use wraiths to get to serpents. 0 thought process is mildly offensive. Attempting to stick to pure wraiths is pretty difficult considering there pathetic range and the awful combat rules in this ed. The thought process was straight forward I'll grant you, but there was a process. 'how can I get as many wraiths into a 1500 point list as possible, and keep them from being utterly squished by turn two or three....

I'll echo some earlier comments: I think the points spent on the farseer are better spent elsewhere...

Please, Please Take D-Scythes on the Wraithguard

5 Wraithguard at BS4 make 3 hits with the stock loadout.... then you'll be in HtH. IMHO it should be either 5 or 6 templates, or Wraithblades, because they'll do something meaningful in HtH. A Squad with 5x S4AP2 Templates, will probably kill everything within range. If they don't, or not many models are in range, you opponent has probably devoted some troop movement to staying out of their way. If this is happening, and you play well, you're now dictating the terms of engagement.

Definitely stock loadout on the WK.

Wraithguard are short ranged. Using wraithguard means you will have units in HtH combat. The advice below will help; you could also consider swapping 1 squad for WBs. Either way the WG will need some support IMHO.

What role do you see the warp spiders playing in this list? I can see this list being outnumbered and having trouble with crowd control. Maybe swap Hawks in for the Spiders,,, They're comparably mobile and they'll handle swarms of infantry that might otherwise drown you.

You've invested 17% of your list into Wraithguard that WILL be in HtH combat. 1 Sargent w/ a PF is gonna end their game unless you have someone to step in and challenge. I wouldn't want to throw 1/6th of my list away, nor would I want to leave it sitting in a transport most of the game. That said, they WILL be in melee, and they're vulnerable there, leading to the following:

Many people will disagree with me here, but I like to have 1 *decent* IC with a PW to help in the aforementioned situation.... Nothing crazy, but for example if you did swap to Swooping Hawks, you could drop the farseer for a Autarch with Wings. Said Autarch could also have a fusion gun. The point isn't for him to be dangerous; it's to allow you to risk exposing your wraithguard to an inexpensive specialist model (like a Sargent w/ PF). without having to write off a 160pt squad.

@znelson, thanks for the input. I've definitely considered your point to the d scythe WG, and will find a way to work those points out. I want to avoid WBs though as they time and time again just aren't worth it from what I've seen.
As for the spiders vs hawks, I would rather run spiders as I am using them for more of an anti-air and anti flying MC role, as I normally play against a lot of them. (The number one person I play against runs a number of chaos marine and chaos deamon lists, and has a flying circus list he likes to play). As for the stock WK, the extra 60 points to switch to a sun cannon in which one shot has the option to wipe a whole unit, wether they be cultists or terminators seems better than two shots to me. I've seen quite a few battle reports that have indicated the wraith knight is better played aggressively, as a support rather than a hide in the back and snipe type unit. When compared to the riptide, it cannot out-shoot it, but what it does better than the riptide is plink off a wound or two shooting and then assault the riptide, where the riptide has no chance in combat against it.

As long as you have a specific role for the model/weapon in mind, and it's not something already covered extensively elsewhere in your list, there's no wrong equipment to take.

I use my wraithguard specifically for Anti-Tank (wave serpents mow down infantry) and even a brightlance doesn't hold a handle to a S10 weapon. It manhandles any armor.

I'm actually looking to build a demon army, and am looking for input from people who play with or against daemons frequently. I'll shoot you a PM.

I would run the WK stock (stock guns are good for tanks, heavy infantry, MCs, brunch, and relaxing by the pool!). The Suncannon is cool, but limits the tactical ability of the model in popping heavy armor stuff. As for the shield, I definitely see the draw, and, depending on your local playgroup meta (AKA how much area terrain and Ignores Cover do you see?), it could be a lifesaver! Run it how you like; I just like the point value on the stock version. It also frees up a goodly amount of points! Regardless, if you have the means, magnetize that bad boy then run it any way you want!

I also like my Warp Spiders, but I would probably split it into 5-man squads (use the points from dropping the exarch and the stock WK). More tactical ability with two squads; I like splitting squads to force opponents to use multiple units to kill stuff off.

Dark Reapers are EXPENSIVE, but I have seen small miracles with them in the right game!

I think that your list would be fun to play and could be a hot mess to go up against!


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I have a lot of guard and necron meta in my area, so I have to worry about the AR14 rush. Hence my love of the stock WK guns. If you have a lot of basic Marines or Termies, I can see the appeal of the Suncannon. But 60 pts. is a LOT; it would pay a lot towards getting D-Scythes and whatnot.

And I absolutely LOVE D-Scythes. People will dump MOUNTAINS of fire into a squad of WG once they have seen them in action! If you can drop those puppies on a squad, it is red-hot liquid DEATH!

The spiders are in a unit of 9 for AA purposes i'm guessing, that's a dead flyer in addition to the reaper exarch on quad gun.

Does one even put the Exarch on the quad gun? He has a Fast Shot ML, after all... put a regular Reaper on the gun, or even a Guardian. With BS4 and rerolls, they will almost all hit anyway. I'd almost rather have something else on the Quad so the Reapers can punish anything else on the board. Otherwise, why buy him the ML if he is a dedicated quad-gunner?

I did hear of someone in a 2K point game running Illic and a 5-man Pathfinder squad. Illic was just to peel off a few wounds on MCs, but the Pathfinders were on a Aegis line. Quad-gun with always-on Precision shots, anyone? Pricey and gimmicky, but HILARIOUS the first time you get someone with it... kinda like the Fat Guy On A Jetbike with big Warlock on jetbike squad meta. Sure, it is a 600pt squad. It is also a NIGHTMARE!

KillerWabbit wrote:
Does one even put the Exarch on the quad gun? He has a Fast Shot ML, after all... put a regular Reaper on the gun, or even a Guardian. With BS4 and rerolls, they will almost all hit anyway. I'd almost rather have something else on the Quad so the Reapers can punish anything else on the board. Otherwise, why buy him the ML if he is a dedicated quad-gunner?

I did hear of someone in a 2K point game running Illic and a 5-man Pathfinder squad. Illic was just to peel off a few wounds on MCs, but the Pathfinders were on a Aegis line. Quad-gun with always-on Precision shots, anyone? Pricey and gimmicky, but HILARIOUS the first time you get someone with it... kinda like the Fat Guy On A Jetbike with big Warlock on jetbike squad meta. Sure, it is a 600pt squad. It is also a NIGHTMARE!

You would think. The reaper exarch shoots the quadgun for INTERCEPTING which does not inhibit him from shooting his ML in his shooting faze, so it makes total sense. Bs5 5 shots S7 Ap4 TL is pretty good as compared to Bs4 4 shots S7 Ap4.

Also Illic in general isn't bad, its just almost any other Hq in the eldar codex is better, also pathfinders are the same, not bad but compared to anything else they are pointless (but expensive point wise).

And for the "fat guy of a jetbike" i'm guessing you mean a seer council?