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So I was thinking (it hurt a little) and since the Talisman of Arthas Moloch usualy gives 4D6 DtW (which would usualy be a 1D6) and going on what we sort of know about the new mecanics, does that imply that in 7th ed all DtW that benifit from the Talisman will be multiplied by 4 effectivly giving you 4x the amout of DtW rolls?

Whats your thoughts community?

It's likely that they'll do a round of errata to address wargear like this, so I wouldn't put money on it yet.

As insanely awesome as that would be, I'm fully expecting us Tau to continue to get shafted by psykers.

Lets hope they forget to errata this one. Although if they dont I can see a raging nerdstorm on the horrizon. As if millions of eldar players suddenly cry out in terror and were suddenly denied!

But seriously, if they dont errata this one there will be a lot of confusion to how it works. Apparently the new 7th is supposed to be 100% compatable with current codex, but i just see how it can be.

 Messy0 wrote:
Lets hope they forget to errata this one. Although if they dont I can see a raging nerdstorm on the horrizon. As if millions of eldar players suddenly cry out in terror and were suddenly denied!

But seriously, if they dont errata this one there will be a lot of confusion to how it works. Apparently the new 7th is supposed to be 100% compatable with current codex, but i just see how it can be.

Based on GW's track record I wouldn't hold my breath. Everything I have seen so far doesn't look like 7th will be fun for Tau (Psychic phase, challenges for VP, ignore cover NOT ignoring cover anymore, vehicles explode only on 7+, etc). Time to start wishlisting for a new codex in 5+ years....

Im really not worried about Tau.

Taking out vehicles in 1 shot hasnt been our strong point in this codex, not many ways to really do it to anything over AV 13 outside of Longstrike or Fusions, we will still be just as good as glancing with all our S7 goodness.

We wont be able to get the VP for challenges but any good tau player wont let their commander get into combat and give away free VP's to the opponent. I'm sure there will be other ways at range to achive easy VP.

With the Psyhic phase I think its a mixed bag. If the rumors are true we will be able to deny things like blessings with much the same chance we do now for witchfire and maladictions and with items like the Talisman, it might even get better. We wont have the same amount of warp dice to roll as other armies but they will have to spend more to get their powers off.

Cover not ignoring cover isnt great. but -2 cover to a 5+ coversave is still ignoring cover and a 6+ in ruins is almost worthless.

On the flipside, being able to reroll on our awesome warlord table and other advantages that are coming with 7th will give other boons to Tau. I dont think we will be any better or worse than we are now, still topteir.

Rerolling traits really will be amazing for the empire. especially given that they can greatly manipulate the list already.

Less fun for the enclave though, our list sucks. (though if strategic stays the same, we got some nice ones there.
Not that I care, I use a character with a fixed as my warlord...)


As for talisman, too early to know how it even interacts with 7th edition psykers, give that we dont actually know the wording on new deny the witch.

crazyK wrote:ignore cover NOT ignoring cover anymore

Messy0 wrote:Cover not ignoring cover isnt great. but -2 cover to a 5+ coversave is still ignoring cover and a 6+ in ruins is almost worthless.

AFAIK, someone that got the book early posted (in the rumor thread) that Ignores Cover remains the same rule.

I would say i gives 4 more Deny dice to your dice pool. Reason being that you already generate dispel dice (using WFB lingo), and the Talisman say get 4 dice for DTW.

Toooooooo early to tell.

9/10 speculation. it will ether bump up DTW like ademantium will or will let you roll 4 extra dice if you are targeted and in range or something.

 Desubot wrote:
Toooooooo early to tell.

9/10 speculation. it will ether bump up DTW like ademantium will or will let you roll 4 extra dice if you are targeted and in range or something.

both options are good, but the second one is so much better. With that, I could ditch psyker allies and grab something more interesting to my army
but let's see what the FAQs will bring...

My best theory to how it will change:

If the model equipped with it is within 12" of the psyker casting the spell, you can reroll your dispell dice.

I'd imagine it may just grant a flat 4 extra dice to the warp charge pool for denying.

It'll be interesting to see what they do with runes of warding. At present, it's a single use peice of wargear for a 2+ deny attempt. Perhaps that becomes a single use against one power, all dice count as 'denying' on a 2+. That would be really strong.

Vector Strike wrote:

crazyK wrote:ignore cover NOT ignoring cover anymore

Messy0 wrote:Cover not ignoring cover isnt great. but -2 cover to a 5+ coversave is still ignoring cover and a 6+ in ruins is almost worthless.

AFAIK, someone that got the book early posted (in the rumor thread) that Ignores Cover remains the same rule.

This is great news if its true. Got my book on Pre-order so we will find out this weekend!

Eihnlazer wrote:My best theory to how it will change:

If the model equipped with it is within 12" of the psyker casting the spell, you can reroll your dispell dice.

This would be a major nerf to what it is now. At the moment you have a 50% chance to DtW, with just a reroll of 6's it would majorly suck.

ace101 wrote:I would say i gives 4 more Deny dice to your dice pool. Reason being that you already generate dispel dice (using WFB lingo), and the Talisman say get 4 dice for DTW.

I suspect this is closer to what it will be, but im not sure how that would interact with its 12" bubble range. I'm hoping that it will just multiply any DtW rolls by 4 within 12" of the model with the item.

The Talisman isn't already incredibly good?

Yea, but the new want deny the witch works means it has got to change, as the current talisman simply does not make sense in relation to it.

 BoomWolf wrote:
Yea, but the new want deny the witch works means it has got to change, as the current talisman simply does not make sense in relation to it.

If Messy's hopes and dreams come to fruition the Tau have nothing to worry about from Psykers ever.

If my fears about 7e being an Imperium feth yeah wankfest with the Xenos and Chaos getting pounded into the dirt again like 5e come to pass then I'll invite you to the Tyranid corner to share a cry.