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Everybody seems to be fantasizing about how psykers are going to change the game so much. I however think that psykers are pretty nerfed. Unless you are playing daemons or maybe grey knights I think it may be worth it to just avoid psykers altogether. I sat down for a few minutes and tested some psychic tests out. What I found is since you're rolling a lot more dice you will be rolling perils of the warp A LOT. Even then it's way harder to get psychic powers off in the first place (does anybody know if the power still goes off if you roll perils? If not psykers are definitely screwed).

Does anybody else have thoughts on this? I just really think psykers are going to be too much of a liability and too random.

 herpguy wrote:
Everybody seems to be fantasizing about how psykers are going to change the game so much. I however think that psykers are pretty nerfed. Unless you are playing daemons or maybe grey knights I think it may be worth it to just avoid psykers altogether. I sat down for a few minutes and tested some psychic tests out. What I found is since you're rolling a lot more dice you will be rolling perils of the warp A LOT. Even then it's way harder to get psychic powers off in the first place (does anybody know if the power still goes off if you roll perils? If not psykers are definitely screwed).

Does anybody else have thoughts on this? I just really think psykers are going to be too much of a liability and too random.

Be'Lakor with invisibility is simply too game-breakingly powerful to pass up.

With fateweaver and the grimoire it's Screamer-star level durable with much less potential for something to go wrong in the process. Just Fateweaver and Be'lakor alone should be enough to ensure that invisibility gets casted without a hitch.

Fateweaver can just be kept in the air at all times to let Be'lakor glide around and murder anything he can catch. Maybe let out a shriek or a terrify there, but mostly just go balls in for an assault and tear them apart while being invincible at the same time.

There will probably be a few psyker stars like tigger and maybe arhiman. i dunno but for the general rest of the armies i can see a bunch of 1 WC powers being thrown around to buff units with minimum threat of countering and no perils.

I particularly like GOI and levitation for there repositioning powers.

Also just realized Drop pod with bacons for GOI perfect repositioning on T1.

 Desubot wrote:
There will probably be a few psyker stars like tigger and maybe arhiman. i dunno but for the general rest of the armies i can see a bunch of 1 WC powers being thrown around to buff units with minimum threat of countering and no perils.

I particularly like GOI and levitation for there repositioning powers.

Also just realized Drop pod with bacons for GOI perfect repositioning on T1.

That sounds like a delicious tactic right there.

I prefer not to hinge my entire army on a pair of super expensive daemons.

If you want to be casting warp power 3 spells you want to have a bunch of wounds because you will perils a lot. I'm thinking Nurgle sorc with palaquin for 4 wounds at a reasonable price.

Unless Daemon of Tzeentch is faqued to give bonus to casting flickering fire and hence pink horrors, heralds and basically anything tzeentch is pretty badly nerfed. In fact anyone with a witchfire is a bit rubbish now.

Yea I was kinda excited for the phase, but chances are the enemy psykers wont live through the game unless they rely on one dice for lesser powers for most of it.

 minigun762 wrote:
I prefer not to hinge my entire army on a pair of super expensive daemons.

I rarely play at under 5k points. The game is weirdly easier to balance at these levels.

In any case, it's hardly more expensive than the old screamer star, and has far fewer points of failure.

Only two things need to work; the grimoire and invisibility. You have enough dice for the second and fateweaver makes sure the first has solid odds of going off.

Due to Be'Lakor still being able to move as a jump monstrous creature and assault, his prey isn't going to be able to easily avoid him.

You could have a hundred guardsmen pour FRFSRF into him and they'd only get a single wound to stick on average.

It's the new screamer star.

GW saw a balance problem in 6th since Chaplains and Captains were consistently taken over Librarians.

GW wanted to fix this by making psykers better.

I'm pretty sure this will mean that psykers are now nerfed.

 Kain wrote:

 minigun762 wrote:
I prefer not to hinge my entire army on a pair of super expensive daemons.

I rarely play at under 5k points. The game is weirdly easier to balance at these levels.

In any case, it's hardly more expensive than the old screamer star, and has far fewer points of failure.

Only two things need to work; the grimoire and invisibility. You have enough dice for the second and fateweaver makes sure the first has solid odds of going off.

Due to Be'Lakor still being able to move as a jump monstrous creature and assault, his prey isn't going to be able to easily avoid him.

You could have a hundred guardsmen pour FRFSRF into him and they'd only get a single wound to stick on average.

It's the new screamer star.

Ahh I play 1k games. Enough to have the basics and splurge on a fancy toy.

 Kain wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

Also just realized Drop pod with bacons for GOI perfect repositioning on T1.

That sounds like a delicious tactic right there.

DISTRACTING YOUR OPPONENTS, KAIN?

 Scipio Africanus wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

Also just realized Drop pod with bacons for GOI perfect repositioning on T1.

That sounds like a delicious tactic right there.

DISTRACTING YOUR OPPONENTS, KAIN?

Bacon is worth it. Bacon is love. Bacon is life.

I have to agree that Be'Lakor may be a very solid choice for Daemon armies, but that's really it. I wouldn't throw invisibility on himself because landing him and then failing the psychic test (which is going to happen a lot now) equals a very dead 350 point character. I would throw invisibility on a flesh hounds squad or something similar while keeping Be'Lakor in the air because now he can always get a 2+ cover due to jink being 4+. Anyways in last edition it was a terible idea to assault anything except in the late game with him and I don't see that changing now.
Plus it's pretty lame that Fateweaver would pretty much only be there to grant 4 extra warp charge and use his reroll for perils of the warp and/or grounding tests, rather than a useful gunboat like he was last edition. However now he doesn't need the grimoire to be extremely hard to kill as he can easily be positioned to never get assaulted and he probably will never die from shooting.

However, back to the original point. I think that psykers in general are pretty nerfed, and people are going to figure it out pretty quick once they start actually playing games.

 herpguy wrote:
I have to agree that Be'Lakor may be a very solid choice for Daemon armies, but that's really it. I wouldn't throw invisibility on himself because landing him and then failing the psychic test (which is going to happen a lot now) equals a very dead 350 point character. I would throw invisibility on a flesh hounds squad or something similar while keeping Be'Lakor in the air because now he can always get a 2+ cover due to jink being 4+. Anyways in last edition it was a terible idea to assault anything except in the late game with him and I don't see that changing now.
Plus it's pretty lame that Fateweaver would pretty much only be there to grant 4 extra warp charge and use his reroll for perils of the warp and/or grounding tests, rather than a useful gunboat like he was last edition. However now he doesn't need the grimoire to be extremely hard to kill as he can easily be positioned to never get assaulted and he probably will never die from shooting.

However, back to the original point. I think that psykers in general are pretty nerfed, and people are going to figure it out pretty quick once they start actually playing games.

I meant putting invisibility on himself and have fateweaver give Be'lakor the grimoire to be Screamer Star level tough. People doubted the screamer star's ability when it was first theorized.

This makes inquisitors better psykers than the AM primaris guys due to the extra wound.

wtnind wrote:
If you want to be casting warp power 3 spells you want to have a bunch of wounds because you will perils a lot. I'm thinking Nurgle sorc with palaquin for 4 wounds at a reasonable price.

Unless Daemon of Tzeentch is faqued to give bonus to casting flickering fire and hence pink horrors, heralds and basically anything tzeentch is pretty badly nerfed. In fact anyone with a witchfire is a bit rubbish now.

I would run the Daemon armor from the crimson slaughter so you only perils on a double 6 with a palanquin.

 Leth wrote:

wtnind wrote:
If you want to be casting warp power 3 spells you want to have a bunch of wounds because you will perils a lot. I'm thinking Nurgle sorc with palaquin for 4 wounds at a reasonable price.

Unless Daemon of Tzeentch is faqued to give bonus to casting flickering fire and hence pink horrors, heralds and basically anything tzeentch is pretty badly nerfed. In fact anyone with a witchfire is a bit rubbish now.

I would run the Daemon armor from the crimson slaughter so you only perils on a double 6 with a palanquin.

But then you can only be in a unit of possessed unfortunately. Plus I don't know if malefic would be the best choice for CSM anyway.

 Thud wrote:
GW saw a balance problem in 6th since Chaplains and Captains were consistently taken over Librarians.

GW wanted to fix this by making psykers better.

I'm pretty sure this will mean that psykers are now nerfed.

Lol wut

 ionusx wrote:

 Thud wrote:
GW saw a balance problem in 6th since Chaplains and Captains were consistently taken over Librarians.

GW wanted to fix this by making psykers better.

I'm pretty sure this will mean that psykers are now nerfed.

Lol wut

He's saying that GW is too stupid and incompetent to actually succeed at buffing or nerfing anything on purpose.

Which they are.

Welp first game of 7th. i tied but i have significantly more WC then my eldar opponent.

I pretty much stopped every non blessing spell he tried to cast and i consistantly got at least 1 mega buff (forwarning, endurance) off on my mega conscript blob.

with a few sprinkling of single warp charge debuffs to bait out some of his.

Perils wasnt soooooo bad, a little annoying but i ended up losing only 1 Primaris psyker at the end of the game to it.

(he had like 6+d6, i had 11 +d6)

 Thud wrote:
GW saw a balance problem in 6th since Chaplains and Captains were consistently taken over Librarians.

GW wanted to fix this by making psykers better.

I'm pretty sure this will mean that psykers are now nerfed.

Was this sarcasm?

I play BT so the only good witch is a dead witch.

 minigun762 wrote:
I play BT so the only good witch is a dead witch.

On that note, how does Adamantium Will interact with new DTW? 5's instead of 6's?

Believe adamantium will is +1 if you are the target of the spell (malediction, witchfire)

wtnind wrote:
Believe adamantium will is +1 if you are the target of the spell (malediction, witchfire)

I still find it funny that it's possible to deny Assail when it's literally just throwing something heavy at you with their mind.

"I REJECT THE REALITY OF YOUR BOULDER AND REPLACE IT WITH MY OWN!"