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So here's the idea of how to take advantage of the Seer Council in 7th Ed.

CAD - Eldar - Primary

Farseer: jetbike, witnessing, Spear 135
Farseer: jetbike, witnessing, Spear 135

7 Warlocks: jetbikes, 6 Spears 380

Jetbikes: 51
Jetbikes: 51

Wraithknight: 240
Wraithknight: 240

CAD - Eldar

Farseer: jetbike, witnessing, Spear 135
Farseer: Malefic: jetbike, witnessing, Spear, Spirit Stone 150

Jetbikes 51
Jetbikes 51

Allied Detachment - Dark Eldar

Baron Saphonix 105

Kabalites: blaster, Venom 125

No need for trophies anymore. With 3 Farseers I'm almost guaranteed Fortune. The Spirit Stone dovetailing with Malefic. 19 Warp Charge a turn plus 2 Wraithknights to apply pressure and 6 objective secured units for Objective domination whilst the 3 big nasties get in my opponents face.

I would drop a WK for dedicated AA, you will be able to summon enough MC to fill the WK slot.

What AA would you suggest? This list is not going all Malefic it will take a lot of Fate and Battle.

Though I don't like solo Wraithknights no redundancy or duel threat. I want both to add to the early game pressure.

I suggest a CH or at least a unit of spiders, right now you will auto lose vs flyer heavy lists.

Such as? What flyer heavy competitive lists exist that cause me problems or autobeat me?

 FlingitNow wrote:
Such as? What flyer heavy competitive lists exist that cause me problems or autobeat me?

FMC Daemon/nids, maybe necrons.. Ive never been a fan of knights they are over priced. Spiders are much better.

Pretty much this, any FMC or necrons, vendettas, stormravens will cause you to lose.

Really what FMCs cause me problems? They either fly around doing not a lot or drop to the ground and die. Cronair just doesn't do enough on the maybe 1 turn of shooting they get with each fly by. Only really the Vendetta is a threat but who spams them? Even then by floiding my opponents deployment zone I largely mitigate their effectiveness.

LOC can can cast 3 witchfires a turn, at separate targets. Vector strike and shoot a weapon he rolls on the gifts for.. Same for a DP of Slannesh... 5 ranged attack DP's only being grounded now on a unsaved wound will do plenty.

And if they land they hardly will get killed easily, unless you play with low educated foolish crowd.

LOC with precog and 1-3 on the gift chart is near unkillable, let alone he gets the 4+fnp or 3+ armor save.


However I dont think necron flyer army wins against a Seer council... But tomb spiders created countless scarab swarms you cant stop from being created, that are fearless and can now score will hurt a bit.

Ravenguard or white scars chapter tactics can grab objectives quick. There 5 man combat squads beats 3 eldar jet bikes whether defending or beating you off an objective. So troops + grav guns + other space marine wacky stuff can handle it.

Yeah Grounded a Council and 2 Wraithknights will kill FMCs very quickly. Given that I'm either T8 or have a 2+ rerollable cover save and a 2++ rerollable thrown in, what Witchfires are causing me problem with 19 dispell dice and at least a 5+ deny on anything at the council?

Lol, first off the seer council list with Baron is out there... its beatable. It won Las Vegas open and was an overnight sensation everyone molested and used... people know how to deal with it now...

FMC do not get crushed by Seer council let alone Wraithknights. You send fiends or Seekers to wipe out the Wraithknights, they are not much with a 3+ save anyway...

As for shooting, Vector strike.
3d6 str 5 shots, Lance shots, Slannesh default weapons. Tzeentch flamer template.... I could go on but It wont do much good. Slannesh Nova spell... I dont know....

Also if nothing else, speaking from a deamon list only, they will have enough dice to stop you from getting spells off consistently. If nothing else a smart player would just hold his dice to stop the +1 save or reroll save spell.

How many games have you played with the seercouncil against Deamons? Or are you speaking purely with no experience and having wishful expectations? I am asking honestly, because it seems you have some misconstrued views on the what ifs...

1 - most tourneys are already limiting only 1 combined arms detachments (see ToS rules) so I doubt you'll have 4 farseers.
2 - No shard of anaris means you're not fearless. With changes to nightfight, a shooting army can blow away the council and force LD checks turn 1.

Anti-air is also required in the list. Drop a WK for something else, as others have suggested.

I haven't played with a Seercouncil yet. I have played against them many a time and believe I am well aware of what they can do, check my flag I'm from the UK where the Seercouncil had come and gone long before the Americans discovered it in the Vegas Open. Yes the changes to the Psychic phase have hurt the list but doubling on CADs I believe can more than overcome it particularly with the access to the new powers. Remember I can summon Bloodthirsters.

Lack of shard is dump cheers Rypher

I would drop the WK if someone suggested something that would actually improve the list rather than detract from the 3 anvils I have.

If none of this convinces you don't listen, just play versus a daemon player or white scars who has half a brain, you will quickly realize.

 FlingitNow wrote:
I haven't played with a Seercouncil yet. I have played against them many a time and believe I am well aware of what they can do, check my flag I'm from the UK where the Seercouncil had come and gone long before the Americans discovered it in the Vegas Open. Yes the changes to the Psychic phase have hurt the list but doubling on CADs I believe can more than overcome it particularly with the access to the new powers. Remember I can summon Bloodthirsters.

Lack of shard is dump cheers Rypher

I would drop the WK if someone suggested something that would actually improve the list rather than detract from the 3 anvils I have.

Cheers! From experience, humbly let me add this. I play Deamons myself (without Fateweaver I add). My practice buddy is the Brit who won Las Vegas, we play a lot of games a month to bring the best out in each other. I won a GT on the East coast the same weekend he won LV on the west coast. That being said, I can honestly say FMC or Landing MC are not to worried about fighting the Seer council, I am not saying the outright win all the time, im just saying they dont get wiped instantly or beat up by the council hands down. Of coarse a LOC should never get Precognition off anymore as you will be looking to stop that spell, but same can be said for Eldar spells reroll saves and +1 saves.

As for the council having big magic defense. I dont think the FMC goes after them, they vector strike one unit of jet bikes, shoots Xd6 str 5 at another unit, flamer templates another unit. Lash Whip whip another. My point is by turn 3-4 or you wont have much left other then the Seer council driving around looking at FMC or killing 1 unit a turn.

Speaking from experience, instead of the Wraithknight, and a few of those bike squads. Try 2-3 units of 5 dire avengers with wave serpeants armed with scatter lasers. Those are much more of an all around problem than the Seer council.

Keep me up to date if you do play this, The magic changes this match up quite a bit. When Alex gets back from UK next week we will have a handful of practice games.

Yeah look at the new powers too. Invisibility is flat broken. DAs in Serpents could work and that actually a change I could get behind opposed to the Warp Spiders or CHs that have been advised so far and just add soft targets where as the Serpents aren't. The issue is I don't have points for Serpents without cutting the Council which kind of is the entire point.

1 far seer, 1 wraithknight, 1 bike squad. Gets you 2 units of Dire avengers in Wave Serpents.

Which destroys the list and it just becomes a bad version of an outdated 6th Ed list...

 FlingitNow wrote:
Which destroys the list and it just becomes a bad version of an outdated 6th Ed list...

Well we seemed to agree for a bit, but where you think this hurts your list I think it helps, gives it more versatility, more tools to adaptability.

I guess play a few games and see how it goes. Good luck.