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So... lets say you can do something 'instead of firing", but you are unable to fire that turn... can you still replace it?

For example, lets say you are in a vehicle that pops smoke, you can't shoot, can you still do something that you do instead of shooting?

What if you don't have a gun? What if your BS is 0?

What if the vehicle moves Flat Out?

No, as you need to be able to shoot to be able to replace shooting.

 Ashiraya wrote:
No, as you need to be able to shoot to be able to replace shooting.

Which is why Genestealers cannot run... Oh wait, that's not right.

 don_mondo wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
No, as you need to be able to shoot to be able to replace shooting.

Which is why Genestealers cannot run... Oh wait, that's not right.

Running disables shooting.

Not the other way around.

IIRC they say that a dreadnought without guns can still fire smoke launchers.

...I guess it would largely depend upon exactly what you wanted to do..?

 reds8n wrote:
IIRC they say that a dreadnought without guns can still fire smoke launchers.

...I guess it would largely depend upon exactly what you wanted to do..?

Hey, don't you always post with red text?

 Ashiraya wrote:

 don_mondo wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
No, as you need to be able to shoot to be able to replace shooting.

Which is why Genestealers cannot run... Oh wait, that's not right.

Running disables shooting.

Not the other way around.

No, you run instead of shooting.
Genestealers cannot shoot (BS of 0). According to your assertion, they cannot replace shooting since they can't do it, so cannot run.


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 Ashiraya wrote:

 reds8n wrote:
IIRC they say that a dreadnought without guns can still fire smoke launchers.

...I guess it would largely depend upon exactly what you wanted to do..?

Hey, don't you always post with red text?

Only when he's speaking as a mod.

rigeld2 wrote:

No, you run instead of shooting.
Genestealers cannot shoot (BS of 0). According to your assertion, they cannot replace shooting since they can't do it, so cannot run.

Fair enough. I concede the point.

So, Crucible of malediction is used instead of firing a weapon. If the model is on a raider/venom that goes Flat Out, it can't shoot. Could it still use the Crucible?

coredump wrote:
So, Crucible of malediction is used instead of firing a weapon. If the model is on a raider/venom that goes Flat Out, it can't shoot. Could it still use the Crucible?

Instead of firing a weapon or instead of making a shooting attack?
If a passenger is in a transport that goes Flat Out they can't make a shooting attack at all, so they can't even be a unit that is nominated to try and fire a weapon.

"Once per game, in the Shooting phase, a model with a Crucible of Malediction may choose to open it instead of firing"

It does not have a weapon profile, it does not roll to hit, etc.