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So surprisingly they actually FAQed Ahrimans staff he can now cast the same witchfire 3 times a turn. Can anyone say Psychic Shriek or Doombolt X3 ouch.

Still don't see anything on how spell familiars will work though hmmmmm.

Wait... Didn't shadows in the warp need an FAQ and it's totally not there?


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how about spell familiars actual working

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Wait... Didn't shadows in the warp need an FAQ and it's totally not there?

Need? No, it's still -3Ld at all times. It just no longer does anything to stop powers being cast, instead it punishes Perils by making the Ld test harder (which isn't really a big deal, for 4/6 cases I think).

Deserve a bit of errata to keep its original function? I would argue yes.

oh thats nice runes of warding gets and FAQ, but not SiTW, thanks GW. Thanks.

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oh thats nice runes of warding gets and FAQ, but not SiTW, thanks GW. Thanks.

Doesn't anyone read anymore? It makes casters more likely to perils.

I was most shocked by the removal of the space wolves powers. That joww was almost essential versus some armies.

Mephiston may be an IC now....

What did Runes of Warding do pre-FAQ?

Hey, guys, who knows the points cost and stats on my new Grey Knights Vindicators and Whirlwinds?

Also, Baledrake Nerf. HELL. YES.

DirtyDeeds wrote:

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oh thats nice runes of warding gets and FAQ, but not SiTW, thanks GW. Thanks.

Doesn't anyone read anymore? It makes casters more likely to perils.

I was most shocked by the removal of the space wolves powers. That joww was almost essential versus some armies.

Yes people read. I am reading your snarky comment right now. Yes I understand what SiTW it does now. Would you not agree that it has significantly less impact under the new rules?

Psybolt Dakka Predators would be nice.

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Mephiston may be an IC now....

No, being a character does not make him an IC.

 Orblivion wrote:

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Mephiston may be an IC now....

No, being a character does not make him an IC.

... but ICs can join him now.

even with two ml3 HQ's and every single FOC with a BOPsykers unit it it, thats 21+d6 warp charges a turn...

why are people up in arms about "36+" wc lists? no tourney will be allowing 2 FOC's below 2k, and you cannot ally with yourself.

what am I missing to get those extra 15 WC's?

 1000thSon wrote:
So surprisingly they actually FAQed Ahrimans staff he can now cast the same witchfire 3 times a turn. Can anyone say Psychic Shriek or Doombolt X3 ouch.

Still don't see anything on how spell familiars will work though hmmmmm.

spell familiar lets you re-roll psychic tests. looks pretty clear to me.

 Gangrel767 wrote:

 1000thSon wrote:
So surprisingly they actually FAQed Ahrimans staff he can now cast the same witchfire 3 times a turn. Can anyone say Psychic Shriek or Doombolt X3 ouch.

Still don't see anything on how spell familiars will work though hmmmmm.

spell familiar lets you re-roll psychic tests. looks pretty clear to me.

Lol, if it works this way it just became one of the best pieces of wargear in the game.

Fateweaver:4
4ML3 Heralds:12
6 ML3 Horrors:18
You could go with Daemon Princes in Heavy too if you wanted to get crazy with it. (Though I'd think Soulgrinders would be better myself.)

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 Gangrel767 wrote:

 1000thSon wrote:
So surprisingly they actually FAQed Ahrimans staff he can now cast the same witchfire 3 times a turn. Can anyone say Psychic Shriek or Doombolt X3 ouch.

Still don't see anything on how spell familiars will work though hmmmmm.

spell familiar lets you re-roll psychic tests. looks pretty clear to me.

Lol, if it works this way it just became one of the best pieces of wargear in the game.

Currently, there is no reason to think it does not work this way.

So, they killed off averything that made CSM viable. There are no flyers in the codex anymore. The ones that "are" there...well, lets see, for about 500p csm gets the equivalent of a single storm talon.

FMC nerf was feasible before the drake one but now there are no flyers in the codex.

Csm sucks at anti tank, plain and simple. There is no anti air anymore either. The psykers are better, or not, depends on the meaning of the faq that is far from clear. The troops are still worst of the whole game. There are zero usable units in elite now, though there never was with this codex. There are spawn in the fa, but everything else is just toned down version of what someone else has, same goes for heavy support.

All in all, the princes and the drakes were the only things that made csm able to challenge, well, anyone at all. Now those have been taken away and what is left is not worth the grots they strugle to kill.

Fateweaver is ML4, throw in 4 ML3 Tzeentch Heralds, 3 ML3 Tzeentch daemon princes as heavy support, and then 6 units of 11 Horrors.

That's 37.

I can give a unit two Grand Strategies if I have to GK Grand Masters. It was in the 6E FAQ but now is no longer in the 7E FAQ.

On the same accord, I guess my Dreadknights lose an attack for having two weapons.

I dunno if princes are really all that bad, can't you just summon another one right before the first one dies? Repeat this over and over and it looks like they can go forever...unless I am mistaken.

 Gangrel767 wrote:

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 Gangrel767 wrote:

 1000thSon wrote:
So surprisingly they actually FAQed Ahrimans staff he can now cast the same witchfire 3 times a turn. Can anyone say Psychic Shriek or Doombolt X3 ouch.

Still don't see anything on how spell familiars will work though hmmmmm.

spell familiar lets you re-roll psychic tests. looks pretty clear to me.

Lol, if it works this way it just became one of the best pieces of wargear in the game.

Currently, there is no reason to think it does not work this way.

I'm happy for it to stay that way then i guess. I just assumed it would be different because of all the changes to the Psychic phase but re-reading the rules for the familiar and the new Psychic phase a suppose it should still just work the same.

 1000thSon wrote:

 Gangrel767 wrote:

From wrote:

 Gangrel767 wrote:

 1000thSon wrote:
So surprisingly they actually FAQed Ahrimans staff he can now cast the same witchfire 3 times a turn. Can anyone say Psychic Shriek or Doombolt X3 ouch.

Still don't see anything on how spell familiars will work though hmmmmm.

spell familiar lets you re-roll psychic tests. looks pretty clear to me.

Lol, if it works this way it just became one of the best pieces of wargear in the game.

Currently, there is no reason to think it does not work this way.

I'm happy for it to stay that way then i guess. I just assumed it would be different because of all the changes to the Psychic phase but re-reading the rules for the familiar and the new Psychic phase a suppose it should still just work the same.

The runes of witnessing do the same, but they're one use only. Being both a CSM and Eldar player it doesn't surprise me. Plus, with the helldrake nerf and the FMC changes.... Chaos needs to rely on good psychics now.

Maybe we'll see burning brand FMCs again... since apparently CSM require a turret, torrent flamer to win (according to some whiners) lol

Most of what was useful in the Grey Knights FAQ is now gone. So does that mean we still play it like it was or are we now back to an era of nebulous nonsense?

Don't get use to the spell familiar staying that way. IMO it's far too powerful for its point cost ripe for abuse with demon-factory lists, but hey model company first. Who am I to talk about balance.

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DirtyDeeds wrote:

From wrote:
oh thats nice runes of warding gets and FAQ, but not SiTW, thanks GW. Thanks.

Doesn't anyone read anymore? It makes casters more likely to perils.

I was most shocked by the removal of the space wolves powers. That joww was almost essential versus some armies.

Yes people read. I am reading your snarky comment right now. Yes I understand what SiTW it does now. Would you not agree that it has significantly less impact under the new rules?

I wouldn't.

In the past, it might knock off a power or two, out of a LOT of powers. Now there are fewer powers able to be cast per turn. If it still could hold those powers down, it would actually have significantly MORE impact. As it is, it makes someone think twice before throwing too many dice at a power to get it off with Shadow in the Warp nearby, as it'll be tougher for them to make their Ld test if they get a Perils result. That's pretty significant, considering that you have to chuck about five or six dices at a WC3 power to get it to cast right.

 ErikSetzer wrote:

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DirtyDeeds wrote:

From wrote:
oh thats nice runes of warding gets and FAQ, but not SiTW, thanks GW. Thanks.

Doesn't anyone read anymore? It makes casters more likely to perils.

I was most shocked by the removal of the space wolves powers. That joww was almost essential versus some armies.

Yes people read. I am reading your snarky comment right now. Yes I understand what SiTW it does now. Would you not agree that it has significantly less impact under the new rules?

I wouldn't.

In the past, it might knock off a power or two, out of a LOT of powers. Now there are fewer powers able to be cast per turn. If it still could hold those powers down, it would actually have significantly MORE impact. As it is, it makes someone think twice before throwing too many dice at a power to get it off with Shadow in the Warp nearby, as it'll be tougher for them to make their Ld test if they get a Perils result. That's pretty significant, considering that you have to chuck about five or six dices at a WC3 power to get it to cast right.

I underlined the hilarious part of what you said. There is potential for even more powers than there ever have been to be used in games.

It's not like Perils is super duper scary right now. *meh* I see it as yet another unnecessary nerf to the Bugs.

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Don't get use to the spell familiar staying that way. IMO it's far too powerful for its point cost ripe for abuse with demon-factory lists, but hey model company first. Who am I to talk about balance.

Well Spell familiars are only available to Marines not Daemons and since everyone bar the CSM daemon prince perils on any double I wouldn't really say its ripe for abuse.

 1000thSon wrote:

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Don't get use to the spell familiar staying that way. IMO it's far too powerful for its point cost ripe for abuse with demon-factory lists, but hey model company first. Who am I to talk about balance.

Well Spell familiars are only available to Marines not Daemons and since everyone bar the CSM daemon prince perils on any double I wouldn't really say its ripe for abuse.

" may re-roll failed Psychic tests " Them being rare doesn't stop them from being too good?