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 shabbadoo wrote:

Now, imagine an army that is 95% boobs!

Or 100%!

http://kck.st/18RPJfh

timd wrote:

 shabbadoo wrote:

Now, imagine an army that is 95% boobs!

Or 100%!

http://kck.st/18RPJfh

We'll all die of old age before they release those... sooner to see a revamp by GW!

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
No need to flanderize them into some anti-psyker strike force.

What I'm suggesting isn't really "flanderization", just a small tweak to help the Sisters hold their own in an edition which has emphasised psykers more.

We already have the condemnor boltgun, just sprinkle in a few more things in that vein and maybe buff the SoB resistance to psykers. Not major changes.

Sisters have Adamantium Will already, what other buffs do they need?

Aren't they still quite outmatched against psykers? From what I've read, adamantium will doesn't help all that much. Unless I've misunderstood something?

Adamantium Will doesn't help against the blessings and conjurations you really want to stop..

 Troike wrote:
Aren't they still quite outmatched against psykers? From what I've read, adamantium will doesn't help all that much. Unless I've misunderstood something?

Adamantium Will is good against non Blessing/Conjugation powers. But the point was what other rule COULD be added to the army? They don't have Psykers, who are the better anti-Psychic defense, so what's left?

I guess rerolling failed deny the witch for the whole army in a stock fashion instead of a warlord trait?

Or perhaps they could use sisters of silence? like that ones in the HH

Shots against psykers always having preferred enemy? i guess there are many ways to do it.

cheers

 Troike wrote:
Aren't they still quite outmatched against psykers? From what I've read, adamantium will doesn't help all that much. Unless I've misunderstood something?

They are, because of GW usual notion of balancing. Adamantium Will is only useful against powers that target an enemy unit (which is fluffy). The best powers are blessings (because they allow for stupid broken combos) and invocations. Beside, having a level 1 psyker does just as much as Adamantium Will.

Now if every unit with Adamantium Will added 1 dice to your "dispel" pool - now that would be fun

 Shandara wrote:

We'll all die of old age before they release those... sooner to see a revamp by GW!

What are you talking about, the pledge manager has been online for about a week now where you can select the stuff you want from your kickstarter funds. We should see most if not all models released before the end of the year. That's about the same number of models made in 1 year that GW puts out and from a company with less than 20 employees.

Heck they even threw in the "Not Arco-Flagellants" that weren't unlocked in the kickstarter but almost were so they added them as well

This is purely speculation, but given the recent emphasis on producing 'trademarkable' items (Astra Militarium/Tempestus Scions), it seems like the Adeptas Sororitas were already ahead of this curve in some ways.

GW might put out some Schola Progenium Codex which includes the Stormtroopers, Commissars, and Sisters, and then put out a limited edition Codex which expands on the sisters with more units and vehicles?

Alternatively, given the artwork featured, maybe Frateris Militia might make an appearance (kind of like "Loyal Cultists") and priests?

As much as I like the Sisters of Battle, I don't see GW neglecting them this long only to splurge on a big release of stuff for them. On the other hand, releasing new models for them in dribs and drabs across three or four hardcover books, I could see.

Put basic sisters, militia, and priests in one book (Codex Ecclesiarchy) Put SOB characters, some elites and some vehicles in another focused SOB book (Adeptas Sororitas). Put some special characters and very specialized units (seraphim, repentia, maybe) in another book with some priestly special characters and some Inquisitorial special characters and call it the "Defenders of the Faith" or something.

Only 3 hardcover books necessary to field your SOB army! Great News!

 Mr Morden wrote:
Now if every unit with Adamantium Will added 1 dice to your "dispel" pool - now that would be fun

That would be less fluffy, and that would not make dispel efficient either against WC3 powers. Remember, you need to roll 3 to dispel those. How many dice will you need to do that at least semi-reliably?

Just imagine their hair being as wide as the new commissar's hat.

I don't see GW updating them any time soon. There hasn't been a single visible hint of GW caring about SOB. It's been over a decade since the last SOB model came out and all we have is a digital only dex that didn't add anything. I don't think they'll be squatted, I think they'll just keep them going with the most minimum of effort as they have been doing.

 Sigvatr wrote:
Here's hoping for new models that don't look like a bunch of transvestites.

Ok this gave me a good chuckle

I really hope SoB get a good new bunch of models and good codex.. The deserve it

I hope SoB do not go OOP, that is my fear..

Da Butcha wrote:
GW might put out some Schola Progenium Codex which includes the Stormtroopers, Commissars, and Sisters, and then put out a limited edition Codex which expands on the sisters with more units and vehicles?

Very much doubt that. GW did just release the "Stormtroopers and Commissars" codex, they seem to want them as their own thing. And it's not like GW is particularly into condensing their codexes these days anyway.

Da Butcha wrote:
Alternatively, given the artwork featured, maybe Frateris Militia might make an appearance (kind of like "Loyal Cultists") and priests?

They would be bloody ideal as a second troops choice.

 MWHistorian wrote:
There hasn't been a single visible hint of GW caring about SOB.

So you mean no hint outside of what the devs have actually stated I think, because we've heard support from the GW staff before at the Citadel Open, and at Games Days. How long again did Dark Eldar sit unchanged exactly again? Because Sisters have at least seen an attempt to keep their rules current (even if I don't like the current codex, it was an attempt to do something with them instead of leaving them to rot with no codex at all).

Oh and I do have this from an email exchange with Phil Kelly (sorry Phil, but some beans need to be spilled):

I can't tell you too much about this of course, but they do indeed feature in the background stuff we write and the stories we tell – sometimes as major players. I personally make it a mission to make them compelling whenever I write about them. I feel the 41st Millennium needs more female protagonists and by keeping the flame alight there's more chance it will burst into a conflagration at a later date.

So, though I can't do much on the rules side, i'm doing all that I can on the background side

Emphasis of course is mine.

EDIT: Copy/Paste error on my part.

If were talking about sisters getting anti-psyker stuff, then how about a relic that helps out as well and maybe even a special character who serves on blackships which gives psykers a negative to casting or generating dice. For example if you field this special character due to the presence of a black ship all psykers now only generate additional dice on a 4+ or they only pass psychic powers on a 5+ instead of a 4+. I could maybe also see a relic that allows you to steal warp charges from the enemy and add it to your denial pool.

The boob plate on Sisters is fine because I am a man and I enjoy seeing hot chicks shoot guns.

If you want historical accuracy, go play Bolt Action or something.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
The boob plate on Sisters is fine because I am a man and I enjoy seeing hot chicks shoot guns.

If you want historical accuracy, go play Bolt Action or something.

And if you want boobs go play Kingdom of Death. See, anyone can play that game of "if you don't like it GTFO".

 Troike wrote:
And it's not like GW is particularly into condensing their codexes these days anyway.

Well, except for Black Templars.

 Necrosis wrote:
If were talking about sisters getting anti-psyker stuff, then how about a relic that helps out as well and maybe even a special character who serves on blackships which gives psykers a negative to casting or generating dice. For example if you field this special character due to the presence of a black ship all psykers now only generate additional dice on a 4+ or they only pass psychic powers on a 5+ instead of a 4+. I could maybe also see a relic that allows you to steal warp charges from the enemy and add it to your denial pool.

That would be shoehorning a new aspect into the army. If done well, with new and interesting fluff justifying it, why not? But if it is just taking the current background and adding a lot of anti-psyker focus for no reason, it is bad.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
The boob plate on Sisters is fine because I am a man and I enjoy seeing hot chicks shoot guns.

If you want historical accuracy, go play Bolt Action or something.

I a a man, and I enjoy seeing cool-looking women shoot guns. Not hot women, good-looking women. Cool-looking does not necessary means sexy. Actually, I think most of the time, it does not go well together.
Now if you want hot women miniatures, it is not like there is a shortage of them. Plenty of models all around. Realistic models I could get from historical games. But I would like my Sisters to be cool-looking. I do not personally have a problem with the boob-plate because I think it fits more the baroque crazy bad-taste vulgar display of excessive wealth that the Ecclesiarchy enjoy. But I would be okay with something equally fitting replacing it. As long as it screams “Someone with too much money, not enough sense, and no concern for practicality designed this armor to show off”. I would like my tanks to look like that too, and the exorcist is a nice example of that line of thinking, I think.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
The boob plate on Sisters is fine because I am a man and I enjoy seeing hot chicks shoot guns.

If you want historical accuracy, go play Bolt Action or something.

And if you want boobs go play Kingdom of Death. See, anyone can play that game of "if you don't like it GTFO".

I have seen the Boob Monster... there is no unseeing it....


I think that there has been one Kingdom Death model that I liked - which was a nekkid woman with a lantern. 'Twould make a good ghost.

The Auld Grump

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
The boob plate on Sisters is fine because I am a man and I enjoy seeing hot chicks shoot guns.

If you want historical accuracy, go play Bolt Action or something.

And if you want boobs go play Kingdom of Death. See, anyone can play that game of "if you don't like it GTFO".

Nope, boob-plate is already in the game and has been for decades. So why leave 40K for the boobs when I already have them in 40K?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Actually, I think most of the time, it does not go well together.

Why do you think this?

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
The boob plate on Sisters is fine because I am a man and I enjoy seeing hot chicks shoot guns.

If you want historical accuracy, go play Bolt Action or something.

And if you want boobs go play Kingdom of Death. See, anyone can play that game of "if you don't like it GTFO".

Nope, boob-plate is already in the game and has been for decades. So why leave 40K for the boobs when I already have them in 40K?

And we all know the only reason we've had it for decades is there have been no new models to change or challenge that asthetic.

Just because it is, doesn't mean it always should be.

Really sad to see that missionary go OOP. It was one of the most characterful miniatures I know of.

 TheAuldGrump wrote:
I have seen the Boob Monster... there is no unseeing it....

Spoiler:

I find that the pink-haired pinup is more disturbing than the wet nurse. Why? Because the wet nurse is supposed to be disturbing, is disturbing, and therefore looks cool. The pinup is supposed to be attractive, but is about as grotesque as the wet nurse, and therefore looks just plain wrong.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Why do you think this?

I would say it is just my experience. But maybe there is more to it. Sexiness add a lot of constraint for character design, for instance in term of body type. And poses. It is actually pretty normative.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

That would be shoehorning a new aspect into the army. If done well, with new and interesting fluff justifying it, why not? But if it is just taking the current background and adding a lot of anti-psyker focus for no reason, it is bad.

Well I said black ship due to the fact that in the witch hunter codex (yes I know, how dare I speak of that), it said sisters guard black ships and served as wardens. That being said I also think sisters could use a new aspect or two.

I really, really hate it when female warriors are given impractical armour to show off typically female traits, like boob plate for example.

The only reason people are not more upset by this is that they have grown used to it. When we see examples of ridiculous female attire and armour which is overly sexualized just so that the typical miniature gaming consumers can gloat over their bodies, it's shameful and symptomatic of the immature and sexist "boobs or GTFO" attitude which exists in a lot of gamer culture today, and insulting and condescending towards the male gamers who'd rather choose immersion over sexual fantasies. Not to mention the complete suspension of disbelief which occurs when you see male soldiers with armour that could be practical and then women in armour that was obviously created for the male gaze. Ordinary SoBs are great except for the boobplate, while specific units such as the Sisters Repentia are just ridiculous. Female penitent fanatics get to look like they were brought straight from a leather fetish porn movie (with whips and all, and half-exposed breasts!), while male penitent fanatics look like this. Yes, absolutely no subconscious sexism from GWs side there. They are certainly not the worst in this regard, but there's definitely still things to do.

 Rostere wrote:
When we see examples of ridiculous female attire and armour which is overly sexualized just so that the typical miniature gaming consumers can gloat over their bodies

If someone gloat over the body of Sisters of Battle models… he or she has a really weird fetish. Those with helmets do not show ANY skin, and nobody with common sense would expect those boobplates to be in any way representative of the actual boobs of the women in it.

 Rostere wrote:
while specific units such as the Sisters Repentia are just ridiculous. Female penitent fanatics get to look like they were brought straight from a leather fetish porn movie (with whips and all, and half-exposed breasts!),

The miniatures are not good. The very idea of the “Mistress of Redemption” is pretty damn terrible. But the artworks are really nice though.

They really look like penitent. More nightmare fuel than eye-candy.