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 Troike wrote:
Essentially, what's happened is that GW changed the fluff, but the idea of Sisters as Chamber Militant to the Hereticus has become so popularised that many people assume it to still be the case.

I think that it stems from the Sisters being seperated out from the Hereticus. Pre-WH codex, the Sisters were just the Ecclesiarchy's armed forces. Then, Codex: Witch Hunters came along and introduced the Chamber Militant idea as a way to justify the Sisters and Hereticus sharing a codex. Then the two got seperated out into different codexes again in 5th, and GW likely saw no reason to keep going with the Chamber Militant fluff and basically dropped it. But they were fairly unclear and discreet about dropping it, hence the confusion.

Thanks for the explanation! I knew I wasn't crazy.

Hopefully they stay gone lol. I can already see the problems now with new kits

Models look attractive or have any skin showing "They are sexest and need women with more manlyand less woman like features" from the fan base. Never got why people hate pretty women or women dressing comfortably.
Or they make just heads for them and sell you a space marine body people freak out again. Because they want it to look like a woman with out any woman shape or boob armour "If I remember correctly about people complaining about that aswell".

There is just no win with the sisters me thinks.

Plus there is no rumors about them being updated anytime soon so with no models for .... what at least 3-4 months I thinkthe army will kill itself off.

Hell maybe they will combine them with other dead armies aka bretoni

OgreChubbs wrote:

Hell maybe they will combine them with other dead armies aka bretoni

Codex/Army Book: Sisters of Bretonnia! Send in the bolter-lady-knights in a mass cavalry charge against those nasty 'nids and those evil Skaven!

 milkboy wrote:

Once all the codices are updated? With this new edition, does it mean sob is at the end of the queue now? Certainly hope we get it before 8th edition. Lol

8th Edition will likely be out in Novermber , so I hope they hurry!

OgreChubbs wrote:
I can already see the problems now with new kits

Models look attractive or have any skin showing "They are sexest and need women with more manlyand less woman like features" from the fan base. Never got why people hate pretty women or women dressing comfortably.
Or they make just heads for them and sell you a space marine body people freak out again. Because they want it to look like a woman with out any woman shape or boob armour "If I remember correctly about people complaining about that aswell".

Er, I doubt that either of those is what will happen. More likely, GW will keep to the current look, which is full-body armour with a distinctive aesthetic. I don't expect that they'll randomly turn them into skimpy supermodels or Space Marine clones for no reason.

OgreChubbs wrote:
Plus there is no rumors about them being updated anytime soon so with no models for .... what at least 3-4 months I thinkthe army will kill itself off.

Not yet there haven't. But there has been GW devs saying that GW has tried to make plastics of them in the past, and the fact that they've kept the Sisters around despite the lack of updates.

OgreChubbs wrote:
Hell maybe they will combine them with other dead armies aka bretoni

Actually, there have been a lot of rumours about Brets getting a release soon.

mmm they are all still on the site for me btw

OgreChubbs wrote:
mmm they are all still on the site for me btw

Look underneath the product names. Many say "temporarily out of stock" or "no longer avaliable".

It can also vary between countries.

nope just website exclusive here i take a pic

OgreChubbs wrote:
mmm they are all still on the site for me btw

They are for me, too. And look! They even have the little words No longer available beneath them! How about that.


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 Troike wrote:

OgreChubbs wrote:
mmm they are all still on the site for me btw

Look underneath the product names. Many say "temporarily out of stock" or "no longer avaliable".

It can also vary between countries.

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OgreChubbs wrote:
nope just website exclusive here i take a pic

Damn you guys are fast.

OgreChubbs wrote:
nope just website exclusive here i take a pic

Spoiler:

Go over to the UK site, there seems to be more models listed as no longer avaliable on there than the Canadian site.

American site has half of everything listed as No Longer Available.

My guess would be they still have some stock left to sell even though they've stopped production. Just give it time.

Didn't this already happen before with some of the models?

Granted, not this many at once, and I too would love to see new sisters (many of the old minis are great but... plastic is always better) but I really don't believe this signals it.

 Quarterdime wrote:
American site has half of everything listed as No Longer Available.

My guess would be they still have some stock left to sell even though they've stopped production. Just give it time.

lol trying to save face for trying to insult me huh lol.

OgreChubbs wrote:

 Quarterdime wrote:
American site has half of everything listed as No Longer Available.

My guess would be they still have some stock left to sell even though they've stopped production. Just give it time.

lol trying to save face for trying to insult me huh lol.

No idea what you're talking about

 TheDraconicLord wrote:
Didn't this already happen before with some of the models?

I think that one or two have gone temporarily, yes.

However, what's also been happening over time is models just outright vanishing and not coming back, such as Kyrinov, or all of the Seraphim Superiors. Seeing this many listed as "no longer avaliable" rather than "temporarily out of stock" is certainly something new.

Edit: Also, the Bretons being mentioned in this topic reminds me that they've been left for quite some time with lots of units missing. Sisters might end up having to wait a while for a model update, unfortunately.

This is interesting, I was thinking it'd a Adeptus Mechanicus codex we might see, after seeing all the Mechanicus stuff on the Imperial knight sprues and that rumour that we'd get see a completely new codex soon.

Maybe there will just be an imperial 'dex with a combination of stuff coming out, like inquisition was.

It's be Adeptus Stuff-leftoverus

 obsidianaura wrote:
This is interesting, I was thinking it'd a Adeptus Mechanicus codex we might see, after seeing all the Mechanicus stuff on the Imperial knight sprues and that rumour that we'd get see a completely new codex soon.

Maybe there will just be an imperial 'dex with a combination of stuff coming out, like inquisition was.

It's be Adeptus Stuff-leftoverus

Maybe the Ad Mech codex will come some day... But if it does, I wouldn't count on it being done like that. It's just too messy. There are techpriest models and techmarine models and a couple of servitor models. That counts as what you're talking about, doesn't it? Would you really want to try to make an army out of them?

Forgeworld is already basically producing an Ad Mech codex, given they keep adding units to the Horus Heresy books.

 Quarterdime wrote:

 obsidianaura wrote:
This is interesting, I was thinking it'd a Adeptus Mechanicus codex we might see, after seeing all the Mechanicus stuff on the Imperial knight sprues and that rumour that we'd get see a completely new codex soon.

Maybe there will just be an imperial 'dex with a combination of stuff coming out, like inquisition was.

It's be Adeptus Stuff-leftoverus

Maybe the Ad Mech codex will come some day... But if it does, I wouldn't count on it being done like that. It's just too messy. There are techpriest models and techmarine models and a couple of servitor models. That counts as what you're talking about, doesn't it? Would you really want to try to make an army out of them?

There's the bits on FW too although I guess that's 30K stuff?

But I don't know what I want, not just those few models no.

I just like guessing what GW is up to. I'm never right though, those guys are mental

I wouldn't mind some nice Sisters of Battle models, and it seems unlikely that they would include the SoB in their recently-revamped rulebook and then discard the army so that seems like it might be a harbinger of things to come.

As much as I'd like some nice Sisters models in plastic, GW has gotten my hopes up more than a few times with concepts and then disappointed with execution. The Knight was a nice kit, but most everything else of late hasn't really gotten that "wow" factor for me to justify the pricing they'll undoubtedly want. Hope to be proven wrong if they do revamp the army, but it's not the way I'm going to bet.

My philosophy on sob getting a proper update is and shall always be "I will believe it when I am holding the models and codex in my hands"

Well, if it works out and there will be new models, I'm glad for all you SOB players out there. I think I'd even accept SoB to be the next update, and that's something coming from an ork player

Honestly, the abusive relationship analogy is so spot on here. Metal models, though I love them dearly, are not a part of GW's production schedule. As old stock sells out, it will only be replaced if there is a SIGNIFICANT financial motivation to do so. Most Sisters players have everything they need at this point, so the few units of product they would move at this point is not worth the cost of turning on the machines that still make metal minis.

The updated digital 'dex was done to sell excess stock. Mission accomplished. Kyrinov was removed because they looked at stock levels and realized that if they put him into the 'dex as a special character, they had so few left that they'd either need to spin-up a batch or risk an uproar if they sold-out right after creating the update. Neither option was desirable.

Plastic sisters will not be produced in the near future. The name change protects the IP in case the company wants to revisit the line down the road. Sisters will not be "squatted," because you can always ally them under the IoM heading. Win-win for GW since you don't alienate the vets and ink is cheaper than white metal.

 the_Armyman wrote:
it will only be replaced if there is a SIGNIFICANT financial motivation to do so.

It got to the bestsellers list on iBooks, and that's not taking into account what they sold on BL.

Aside from that, there is also the case of the Dark Eldar and apparently the Bretonians getting model updates depsite having long-running metal models.

Additionally, comments from GW developers indicate that they have attempted to make plastic Sisters in the past. Now, just why have they done that if they have no motivation to make plastic Sisters?

 the_Armyman wrote:
Most Sisters players have everything they need at this point

Many people would buy plastics Sisters, but just don't like the metal models for various reasons. Similarly, many existing SoB players would love to pick up some new models. And, finally, new players are also a potential audience.

If they could do it for Dark Eldar they will do it for SoB.

I'm hopeful that SoB retain much of their Gothic aesthetic.

 Troike wrote:

 the_Armyman wrote:
it will only be replaced if there is a SIGNIFICANT financial motivation to do so.

It got to the bestsellers list on iBooks, and that's not taking into account what they sold on BL.

Spoiler:

It got to the best sellers list in Germany. How hard is that to do? How long did it stay there, a day? Not a good metric, IMO.

Aside from that, there is also the case of the Dark Eldar and apparently the Bretonians getting model updates depsite having long-running metal models.

That was years ago. It's lean times at Nottingham. GW can no longer throw resources at lines that do not make money. Lots of money.

Additionally, comments from GW developers indicate that they have attempted to make plastic Sisters in the past. Now, just why have they done that if they have no motivation to make plastic Sisters?

Something to do with the robes, right? I've heard that old yarn before. Again, what they did or proposed years ago has no bearing on today's financial realities.

 the_Armyman wrote:
Most Sisters players have everything they need at this point

Many people would buy plastics Sisters, but just don't like the metal models for various reasons. Similarly, many existing SoB players would love to pick up some new models. And, finally, new players are also a potential audience.

You have your totally unsubstantiated and unquantifiable opinion, and I have mine A fresh line of plastic Sisters would be a huge financial investment and gamble, and it's one that GW will not undertake in this financial climate.

I remember when rumors of the Dark Eldar getting an update started to ramp up.

Lots of people dismissed them very aggressively, saying there was no way they could possibly get an update. They were too old, too few people played them, there was no market, they would need too much...

Then GW released them and for a good while they were the bees knees, the best success story that GW has seen in a good while. It took a lot for GW to get to that point though. It took a serious investment of capital, and a bit of risk.

That was years ago, and since then we've had two new editions, an update to Grey Knights (another army few believed would be updated) and even Necron (yet ANOTHER army that few people believed would get the treatment that it got).

Now, GW has been building capital and running down stock of Adeptas Sororitas models. They've been the go-to for running down metal, the best way to sell that metal without selling the metal as scrap or slag. The metal is running out, and almost all of the 40k and Fantasy codices are hardback...

I think it's just a matter of time. We may have to wait for Orks, Blood Angels, Space Wolves, and even another round of Dark Eldar and Grey Knights before we get there, but I strongly believe that Sisters will be updated.

They did it with Dark Eldar, they can do it again. I'd invest a lot of money into a plastic Sisters army. I love the lore and I love the look, I just can't stand the models as they are.

 Troike wrote:

 the_Armyman wrote:
it will only be replaced if there is a SIGNIFICANT financial motivation to do so.

It got to the bestsellers list on iBooks, and that's not taking into account what they sold on BL.

Spoiler:

Aside from that, there is also the case of the Dark Eldar and apparently the Bretonians getting model updates depsite having long-running metal models.

Additionally, comments from GW developers indicate that they have attempted to make plastic Sisters in the past. Now, just why have they done that if they have no motivation to make plastic Sisters?

 the_Armyman wrote:
Most Sisters players have everything they need at this point

Many people would buy plastics Sisters, but just don't like the metal models for various reasons. Similarly, many existing SoB players would love to pick up some new models. And, finally, new players are also a potential audience.

The reason I don't play sisters is because I don't feel like spending ~$80 for a squad. I'm not THAT crazy...

The real question is would Sisters players actually be happy about getting an update?

A great many of them seem to enjoy their persecution complexes.

 Eldarain wrote:
The real question is would Sisters players actually be happy about getting an update?

A great many of them seem to enjoy their persecution complexes.

You've answered your own question really. Sisters players being unhappy is a universal constant. They want an update, and when they get an update they complain about their update. They want a new model range, but you better believe they won't be happy with it.