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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/30 03:53:27
Subject: Bill would prohibit FCC from reclassifying broadband as utility
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Renegade Inquisitor with a Bound Daemon
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http://www.pcworld.com/article/2303080/bill-would-prohibit-fcc-from-reclassifying-broadband-as-utility.html
A U.S. lawmaker has introduced legislation that would prohibit the Federal Communications Commission from reclassifying broadband as a common-carrier utility, a move many net neutrality advocates have called for.
The bill, introduced late Wednesday by Representative Bob Latta, an Ohio Republican, would block the FCC from reclassifying broadband as a common-carrier telecom service under Title II of the Telecommunications Act. Earlier this month, the FCC released a proposal to restore net neutrality rules and asked for public comment on whether to reclassify broadband instead of taking an approach advocated by FCC Chairman Tom Wheeler that would allow broadband providers to engage in “commercially reasonable” traffic management.
Reclassifying broadband would hurt the Internet economy, Latta said in a statement. “At a time when the Internet economy is thriving and driving robust productivity and economic growth, it is reckless to suggest, let alone adopt, policies that threaten its success,” he said. “Reclassification would heap 80 years of regulatory baggage on broadband providers, restricting their flexibility to innovate and placing them at the mercy of a government agency.”
The legislation would give all Internet businesses the certainty they need to continue investing in broadband networks and services, Latta added.
"Misguided regulatory proposal"
“In light of the FCC initiating yet another attempt to regulate the Internet, upending long-standing precedent and imposing monopoly-era telephone rules and obligations on the 21st Century broadband marketplace, Congress must take action to put an end to this misguided regulatory proposal,” he said. “The Internet has remained open and continues to be a powerful engine fueling private enterprise, economic growth and innovation absent government interference and obstruction.”
The legislation may get a positive reception in the Republican-controlled House of Representatives, which has opposed past FCC efforts to pass net neutrality rules. It is less likely to pass in the Democrat-controlled Senate.
Senator Ted Cruz, a Texas Republican, said earlier this month he plans to introduce similar legislation.
Trade groups USTelecom and the National Cable and Telecommunications Association applauded Latta’s legislation.
“Since the late 1990’s, policymakers and regulators have established a bipartisan consensus that a light regulatory touch provides the best path for ensuring that the Internet will become an engine of economic growth and social prosperity,” the NCTA said in a statement. “We support the efforts ... to codify current policy and to ensure that the Internet continues to grow and remains open and free from the burdens of outdated, public utility regulation.”
However, many people filing comments in the FCC’s net neutrality proceeding want the regulations. Advocates of strong net neutrality rules have criticized Wheeler’s proposal as too weak, potentially allowing broadband providers to charge Web content producers for priority traffic.
Consumers for regulation
In the past month, the FCC has received more than 46,000 comments on the net neutrality proposal.
“The internet should be managed like a utility,” wrote one person. “Don’t let corporate greed degrade line speeds.”
“I am requesting that the FCC reclassifies Internet Service Providers as Title II common carriers,” another person wrote. “The USA is founded on principles of equality and freedom. These foundational concepts need to be applied to the Internet, particularly as we as a society move forward with technological advances. The internet is vital to society, and this uniquely creative and open marketplace must remain a place for all of us regardless of deep pockets and political connections.”
Just when you thought that the US government couldn't be bought and sold by the telecoms any further than they already are, they find a way to lower the bar even further.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/30 04:55:11
Subject: Re:Bill would prohibit FCC from reclassifying broadband as utility
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Hellish Haemonculus
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Wait what--which side of this debate are you on, Faf? I'm a little confused.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/30 04:57:48
Subject: Re:Bill would prohibit FCC from reclassifying broadband as utility
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Is this something to do with a certain time limit about to go bingo on US control of the internet?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/30 05:11:47
Subject: Re:Bill would prohibit FCC from reclassifying broadband as utility
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Kid_Kyoto
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One benefit from this is that it would prevent companies like Verizon from being able to double dip on both sides of the "utility" situation, like they have done.
However, in a just world, they'd all be utilities and just deal with it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/30 05:15:02
Subject: Re:Bill would prohibit FCC from reclassifying broadband as utility
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Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
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Jihadin wrote:Is this something to do with a certain time limit about to go bingo on US control of the internet?
No; this is to counter a push to allow for tighter regulation of some telecom services - if the FCC were allowed to classify the large ISP's as telecom services, they would be able to regulate them, but as information services it's much looser.
Obviously, Verizon, AT&T, Comcast, et al don't want any more regulation of their services, even as it's pretty clear they are playing the kinds of market-distorting games that call for closer regulation.
daedalus wrote:However, in a just world, they'd all be utilities and just deal with it.
I think it's long past time for this. In a modern, 2014 world, internet access is just as essential as electricity and sewage.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/30 05:28:01
Subject: Re:Bill would prohibit FCC from reclassifying broadband as utility
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Renegade Inquisitor with a Bound Daemon
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Jimsolo wrote:Wait what--which side of this debate are you on, Faf? I'm a little confused.
On the side that the internet should be considered a Title II utility.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/30 05:32:08
Subject: Re:Bill would prohibit FCC from reclassifying broadband as utility
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Secret Force Behind the Rise of the Tau
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Fafnir wrote: Jimsolo wrote:Wait what--which side of this debate are you on, Faf? I'm a little confused.
On the side that the internet should be considered a Title II utility.
AKA, the side of freedom.
Or maybe that's the other side. I don't know anymore I decided that its less depressing to stop caring
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/30 05:59:20
Subject: Bill would prohibit FCC from reclassifying broadband as utility
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Renegade Inquisitor with a Bound Daemon
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Well, if it's changed to being a Title II utility, it'll serve to protect net neutrality somewhat, which results in more freedom for everyone, except for the massive telecoms.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/30 06:04:01
Subject: Re:Bill would prohibit FCC from reclassifying broadband as utility
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Well. I am for whatever side the internet falls on that doesn't rip me off for more money.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/30 07:33:04
Subject: Re:Bill would prohibit FCC from reclassifying broadband as utility
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Fixture of Dakka
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Jihadin wrote:Well. I am for whatever side the internet falls on that doesn't rip me off for more money.
Pretty much my position.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/30 12:05:59
Subject: Re:Bill would prohibit FCC from reclassifying broadband as utility
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Wise Ethereal with Bodyguard
Catskills in NYS
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Christ, I hope this bill dies.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/30 12:09:00
Subject: Re:Bill would prohibit FCC from reclassifying broadband as utility
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Jihadin wrote:Well. I am for whatever side the internet falls on that doesn't rip me off for more money.
It's more like "The side that rips me off for the least money." You're still going to pay through the nose!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/30 20:18:46
Subject: Bill would prohibit FCC from reclassifying broadband as utility
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At least now we know which politician is clearly in the pockets of the telecoms Representative Bob Latta, an Ohio Republican
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/30 23:35:50
Subject: Bill would prohibit FCC from reclassifying broadband as utility
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Renegade Inquisitor with a Bound Daemon
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Gentleman_Jellyfish wrote:At least now we know which politician is clearly in the pockets of the telecoms Representative Bob Latta, an Ohio Republican
Honestly, you'd have an easier time making a list of politicians who aren't. Hell, you might not even need to write anything down at all!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/31 02:22:32
Subject: Re:Bill would prohibit FCC from reclassifying broadband as utility
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Excellent Exalted Champion of Chaos
Lake Forest, California, South Orange County
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This will destroy the internet as we know it.
We can only hope that Google can expand their fiber network which is robust enough to ignore these bandwidth issues.
I remember a time when companies would invest profits to expand and upgrade their services instead of just charging people more for less.
And I'd be damn surprised if the Comcast/Time Warner merger wasn't halted over anti monopoly laws(ironic that the guy trying to stop net neutrality quoted monopolies)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/31 02:50:48
Subject: Re:Bill would prohibit FCC from reclassifying broadband as utility
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
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Nah... not likely. We can only hope that Google can expand their fiber network which is robust enough to ignore these bandwidth issues.
Google is already having trouble expanding municiple fiber. The local cable co. will step in. I remember a time when companies would invest profits to expand and upgrade their services instead of just charging people more for less.
That's a paradox... And I'd be damn surprised if the Comcast/Time Warner merger wasn't halted over anti monopoly laws(ironic that the guy trying to stop net neutrality quoted monopolies)
I can see it happen... also, Comcast will sell off most of the assets they don't want. (ie, The don't want Fort Worth as Charter owns Dallas, or it's the other way around).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/31 03:22:56
Subject: Re:Bill would prohibit FCC from reclassifying broadband as utility
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Excellent Exalted Champion of Chaos
Lake Forest, California, South Orange County
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whembly wrote:
Nah... not likely.
We can only hope that Google can expand their fiber network which is robust enough to ignore these bandwidth issues.
Google is already having trouble expanding municiple fiber. The local cable co. will step in.
I remember a time when companies would invest profits to expand and upgrade their services instead of just charging people more for less.
That's a paradox...
And I'd be damn surprised if the Comcast/Time Warner merger wasn't halted over anti monopoly laws(ironic that the guy trying to stop net neutrality quoted monopolies)
I can see it happen... also, Comcast will sell off most of the assets they don't want. (ie, The don't want Fort Worth as Charter owns Dallas, or it's the other way around).
Let me rephrase the paradox then.
Take "Example Models Company". They currently have the capacity to provide X number of models. Their product increases in demand. In an ideal world, the company takes their retained earnings(Net profit) and they invest it back into the company to increase their production capacity to keep up with demand, thus expanding the business and ultimately increasing profits. Instead, we have a company that would rather simply charge more for their product(regardless of who is paying the increase) and continue to only produce the same amount of product. They see the increased demand as "the people want it bad enough, they'll pay for it".
But at some point(which I'd imagine GW is getting close to as a side note) people will stop paying that premium. Eventually the value will be lost on them.
So for Comcast, that product is bandwidth. When your customers want/need more, it is up to you as a provider to keep up with that demand. If that means you charge $75/mo for internet instead of the $60 from before but you get a 25% boost in bandwidth, wonderful.
The problem from what I can tell is that cable networks are not designed for the bandwidth loads being placed on them. But then you have Verizon and their fiber network that should be able to shoulder that burden with no actual issues, the way Google Fiber does.
Gasoline is a MANDATORY commodity for the US. We can't function without it. But I guarantee you'd see a LOT of people who commute find ways to dramatically cut back and carpool the hell out of their commute if gas went up to $10/gal.
Honestly, I'd just as soon move to a satellite ISP before using Comcast. Yes, Google is up against some roadblocks, but where there is a demand for a service or product, someone will find a way to provide it. Look at the Tesla. Oil companies worst nightmare, and yet they sell plenty of cars, and are opening FREE charging stations around the country to help make that purchase an easier decision. If we all had them, the oil industry would tank(pun intended).
At some point, people will demand fixes, and all the local politicians won't stand a chance against it, if for no other reason than they can be replaced.
I swear, the people making laws in this country are insanely out of touch with the modern world. Hell, Florida accidentally outlawed smart phones and computers at one point.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/31 12:13:22
Subject: Bill would prohibit FCC from reclassifying broadband as utility
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The biggest problem is that they have already struck down Net Neutrality that the FCC was enforcing because some joker (I would say deliberately) put it on bad legal grounds. Now that companies are people (I am calling bull, I can't put comcast in the electric chair) they were able to sidestep and take down those rules. Tom Wheeler has been fast and loose with the end consumer since this debacle started and he has had sever backlash against him and the FCC with a permanent camp outside his office and protestors in front of his home since his commission made the ruling.
Side note, Tom Wheeler is a former telecomm lobbyist.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/31 12:26:50
Subject: Bill would prohibit FCC from reclassifying broadband as utility
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Renegade Inquisitor with a Bound Daemon
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3 of the 5 people who were actually in charge of voting to strike down net neutrality used to work for the telecoms.
Also, for what it's worth, net neutrality is not yet dead. There are still 4 months left before the changes are actually made, and it's a chance for Americans to band together and actually try to make some noise about this issue.
Of course, the biggest problem with this is that the common American will never know or understand this issue until it's far too late, if ever. You'll never actually see it brought up on television, because all of the major news outlets are ran by the same telecoms that don't want you to know about it.
It's scary, because this is a very important issue, and it's being so lazily brushed underneath the carpet like this.
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