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zreef wrote:
I am backing a company I want to succeed and in return getting some models. For me its more important that the company succeeds than the models I receive.

Why do you want them to succeed, if not because they are making something you want to see made?

 Cyporiean wrote:
Restic is a marketing buzzword for PVC.

Restic is not a marketing buzzword, it was a response to the myriad marketing buzzwords ("spincast resin", "sprueless plastic", "plastic resin", "Finecast", "Warcast", "Trollcast") for allegedly superior plastics that don't require metal moulds.

Of course I want to see something made, but you are assuming its only the models I care about. For me the setting, story, art, rules, mechanics, and over all direction are very important. Take GW, look at all the funky models we had in the 80s and the old GW plastics. Now we have really cool models. There are a few examples that have changed mediums and have been augmented slightly over time vs completely redone. What kept me playing warhammer fantasy battle all these years? It was not the models ... it was the core mechanics, which for the most part have not changed over the various rule sets and the background, art, and setting. I love the world.

This is why I am backing Drakerys and I am on the fence with Fallen Frontiers ... to me that setting, based on what we know so far, has me more excited. If the model casts turn out to be crap, but the game takes off I believe the models will eventually get redone in HIPS. If I get gorgeous models, but no game to use them in, they will just sit and collect dust because I wont have time / motivation to paint them. I focus my painting on games that I play. I play games whose mechanics I like and whose world I love. My two favorite games are Infinity and warhammer battle. I enjoy some warmachine, but I just for some reason cannot get into the world very much so I find myself unmotivated to keep painting warmachine. When the game was new to me I was all about it, but it turned out to not have very much staying power for me. The rules are great and tight, but the world just does not appeal to me and I do not find myself particularly captivated by the story line.

All this is very subjective and my personal view on what I look for in games these days. This is why the material is less of a problem for me (that and i have gotten pretty good at cleaning up bad casts -- looking at you BA metal minis, looking at you).


I really hope they push more fluff and background in Fallen Frontiers and revisit the core mechanics for the game. For me this is my "deal breaker".

 AlexHolker wrote:

 Cyporiean wrote:
Restic is a marketing buzzword for PVC.

Restic is not a marketing buzzword, it was a response to the myriad marketing buzzwords ("spincast resin", "sprueless plastic", "plastic resin", "Finecast", "Warcast", "Trollcast") for allegedly superior plastics that don't require metal moulds.

From your list, finecast is much closer to traditional resin, just poorly done. Trollcast is it's own unique spincasting process (the only "spincast resin" process I know of). But the others you mention are all PVC.

Consumers are getting more informed, hopefully companies are too and learn to choose the right material for their application, or at least represent it honestly, since people know better now.

The latest update:

Update #22

Jun 10 2014
Sayx Raptor
7 comments
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Sayx troops are experts at infiltration due to its Nightstalkers and receive great firepower of Vulcans ... but what happens when you need to capture objectives fast? Here Raptors come into play! Agile and swift on the battlefield used to get ahead your enemies or beat their rear. Do not miss this opportunity and add this bad boy to your army!

The Sayx Raptor is included in the COMMANDER Pledge and is also available as an Add-on.

We hope you´ll like it! Thanks.

This is becoming a very ambitious project indeed!

Maybe my midlife crisis has started (early...), but I keep reading Sayx as 'Sexy'.

The Raptor seems to suffer from the same design flaw as the Raging Heroes bikes, in that the low angle of the forks for the front wheel are not conductive to actually steering the vehicle. Unless you rely entirely on differential steering like a tank does, you need to be able to angle at least some of the wheels to steer.

From the comments

Creator SCALE GAMES 19 minutes ago
Thanks a lot guys for your help trying to rise the amount of your pledges and recruiting more backers. We are aware of your effort and you will be rewarded. Not quite sure if tonight or tomorrow morning but soon you will have a sweet surprise.

I sent a message asking who the potential manufacturer could be. Scale Games sent me a very friendly and polite email explaining such information was for numerous reasons internal. They ended by reassuring me their commitment to quality and apologising for any mix ups with their English, which is leaps beyond my Spanish.

It was worth a shot. :-P

Well, we're pretty sure it isn't WGF, which is too bad really.

I do wonder where it will be though, and I hope it matches WGF's quality too!

Also:

Creator SCALE GAMES 32 minutes ago

Incoming good news, stay alert

New stretch goal.

Looks like they're taking a leaf out of Privateer Press' KS and having a dual-faction character?

He's a characters who gets converted in one of their background stories on the offical site.

In othe news they've just confirmed they plan to make the vehicles in the same material as the figures

Vehicles are confirmed in HIPs?!?

 Alpharius wrote:
Vehicles are confirmed in HIPs?!?

Charlie St Clair 25 minutes ago
@Scale, will the vehicles be made in the same material as the minis?

Creator SCALE GAMES 19 minutes ago
@Charlie St Clair Yes, thats the idea.

Holy gak! So now 4 vehicles will be in HIPS 'and' they are throwing free minis in between the already 'much'-shortened stretch goals.

Either some millionaire just decided FF was the next big thing or this is going to be a bloodbath come actual fulfillment time.

To be fair, there might be a little 'lost in translation' there.

"Yes, thats the idea." sounds like it might mean "We're going to try to do that, if we can."

Maybe?

 Alpharius wrote:
To be fair, there might be a little 'lost in translation' there.

"Yes, thats the idea." sounds like it might mean "We're going to try to do that, if we can."

Maybe?

That is becoming a bit of a go to 'get out of jail free' card "Well they're Spanish so they could mean something different".

Who knows, maybe they do have a friendly millionaire or they really have found the world's cheapest and most private plastics manufacturer?

Either way I know I've turned my pledge money into a popcorn fund for the fulfillment phase

£1500 for new HIPS multipart figures? My guess for the next stretch goal is an airborne porcine.

 Artemis Black wrote:


Either way I know I've turned my pledge money into a popcorn fund for the fulfillment phase

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What quality materials are you going for here? Butterkist or Pikey brand?

And in what scale?

I feel like I should already know you, Artemis Black - have we met before?

As noted earlier, it really does feel like they've got some other major source of funding to go alonsg side the KS funds in order to be able to get all of this made in HIPs...

 Alpharius wrote:
I feel like I should already know you, Artemis Black - have we met before?

As noted earlier, it really does feel like they've got some other major source of funding to go alonsg side the KS funds in order to be able to get all of this made in HIPs...

No idea I run Hasslefree Miniatures if that means anything (Someone sorta mentioned it earlier int he thread)? I also used to run Artemis Black's before we closed for me to run HF.

Honestly, what are the odds of that being true and yet not being mentioned? 'We have a load of extra money to make sure we fulfill all the goals' is a huge confidence booster, you'd have to be mad not to say it loud and proud. I'd print it on t--shirts


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 JoeRugby wrote:

 Artemis Black wrote:


Either way I know I've turned my pledge money into a popcorn fund for the fulfillment phase

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What quality materials are you going for here? Butterkist or Pikey brand?

And in what scale?

Butterkist in 40mm scale would be awesome!

I sent another email to Scale Games enquiring as to whether or not outside funds were being added as many have noted the end rewards can not be sustained on the funds raised so far. Part of the reply I recieved was as follows:

"The owner of Scale Games was investing his own money since two years ago in this project.
A lot of money is invested in this project an the 90k amount is nothing compared with the quantity invested till now."

Zond wrote:
I sent another email to Scale Games enquiring as to whether or not outside funds were being added as many have noted the end rewards can not be sustained on the funds raised so far. Part of the reply I recieved was as follows:

"The owner of Scale Games was investing his own money since two years ago in this project.
A lot of money is invested in this project an the 90k amount is nothing compared with the quantity invested till now."

Well as they have zero plastic sprues right now, that's not much help either, quite the opposite.

I would assume they just means paying for all of the digital modelling and existing artwork etc.

(I'm pretty certain nobody paid for the rules and someone just found them on a napkin under a chair at a gaming show so at least that was cheap )

Oh and the guy who was never returning to the KS comments has returned. Lasted longer than I thought to be fair.

Funny thing somebody just resurrected the haste games kickstarter thread for human figures. I was rather disappointed when it failed. Its inital goal was for 75k for 3 plastic sprues.

Not sure how many sprues are needed for ff and for that 90k to cover them. It would be interesting to know how much of that inital investment is left for tooling.

At least he returned without any self promoting fanfare.

At this point, one more cheerleader won't cause much damage.

And Scale is now saying that there is additional substantial funding - which is good!

But I don't think they've selected a HIPs capable manufacturer yet...

 Alpharius wrote:
I feel like I should already know you, Artemis Black - have we met before?

As noted earlier, it really does feel like they've got some other major source of funding to go alonsg side the KS funds in order to be able to get all of this made in HIPs...

As I wa reading thatt, I had an image of David Doust popping hi head up from behind a fence with a goofy smile.


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 Alpharius wrote:


And Scale is now saying that there is additional substantial funding - which is good!

But I don't think they've selected a HIPs capable manufacturer yet...

Where did they say this?

Why wouldn't they say that before and who is it?

Right here:

Zond wrote:
I sent another email to Scale Games enquiring as to whether or not outside funds were being added as many have noted the end rewards can not be sustained on the funds raised so far. Part of the reply I recieved was as follows:

"The owner of Scale Games was investing his own money since two years ago in this project.
A lot of money is invested in this project an the 90k amount is nothing compared with the quantity invested till now."

in the comments section, maybe?

I think this is good news?

 Alpharius wrote:
Right here:

Zond wrote:
I sent another email to Scale Games enquiring as to whether or not outside funds were being added as many have noted the end rewards can not be sustained on the funds raised so far. Part of the reply I recieved was as follows:

"The owner of Scale Games was investing his own money since two years ago in this project.
A lot of money is invested in this project an the 90k amount is nothing compared with the quantity invested till now."

in the comments section, maybe?

I think this is good news?

Why? It's just past tense. Someone had to pay for everything you already see, the digital sculpting and the 3d prints and all the artowrk and scenery prototypes etc.

There's nothing there that indicates they have a couple hundred grand lying around waiting to make plastic sprues, if they did, why didn't they spend some of it already and actually 'have' some to show off. This KS would be through the roof if they did.

So the owner of scale Games has currently invested more than 90k British pounds? Or more than a 150,000 US dollars.

That is great, if true. I cannot determine if that is truth or a lie. But I can't see that money coming from profit from Scale75 alone.

I want this one to do well and I want to get a lot of really nice looking HIPs miniatures from this campaign.

But I keep feeling like I'm going to have to d6 it at the end to see if I'm staying in!

 Piston Honda wrote:
So the owner of scale Games has currently invested more than 90k British pounds? Or more than a 150,000 US dollars.

That is great, if true. I cannot determine if that is truth or a lie. But I can't see that money coming from profit from Scale75 alone.

I also can't see where it's gone, there's not 90k worth of sculpting and art in this kickstarter, never mind an amount so large it makes 90k 'nothing'.