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I think Scale Games might need to calm us restless natives by smacking us all down indiscriminately with the answer stick of doom.

 Alpharius wrote:
So at this point, it really is looking like PVC here then?

This one is in danger of pulling a "THON" (which went into free fall over scale concerns, not materials!) and backsliding badly.

It might become "Falling Frontiers" soon, if they're not careful.

Thon started backsliding when they were well below funding goal. This KS is already at it's funding goal, so even if they backslide a bit more (and go under their funding goal), the bump that always occurs at the end of every KS campaign will undoubtedly mean this project will get funded.

Zond wrote:
I think Scale Games might need to calm us restless natives by smacking us all down indiscriminately with the answer stick of doom.

Well they've just answered 1 question, guess they were there in the background all along?

They really need to sort out this mess before people lose money.

 yakface wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
So at this point, it really is looking like PVC here then?

This one is in danger of pulling a "THON" (which went into free fall over scale concerns, not materials!) and backsliding badly.

It might become "Falling Frontiers" soon, if they're not careful.

Thon started backsliding when they were well below funding goal. This KS is already at it's funding goal, so even if they backslide a bit more (and go under their funding goal), the bump that always occurs at the end of every KS campaign will undoubtedly mean this project will get funded.

Thon funded at $35k, it only started backsliding after they passed $50k. It just backslid so hard and fast that it was about to drop below it's funding goal when it was cancelled.

 Artemis Black wrote:

Thon funded at $35k, it only started backsliding after they passed $50k. It just backslid so hard and fast that it was about to drop below it's funding goal when it was cancelled.

I stand corrected!

My poor memory must have confused details of the Thon KS with that of Gates of Antares.

 edlowe wrote:

Zond wrote:
I think Scale Games might need to calm us restless natives by smacking us all down indiscriminately with the answer stick of doom.

Well they've just answered 1 question, guess they were there in the background all along?

They really need to sort out this mess before people lose money.

Is there much they can do at this point? It seems like they are just trying to avoid saying 'We don't actually know', if they came out and said that it wouldn't exactly assuage concerns.

By not being clear at the start they've set themselves up for a fall.

And their FAQ and updates still say the same 2 incorrect things about the bloody scale! 6.8ft when it's supposed to be 5.8ft or 5'10" and "35mm to the eyes" when no 40mm mini is 35mm to the eyes unless they have the world's biggest forehead. They even repeated it earlier tonight, it's mental.
'And' the FAQ still says of the material "The material will be HIPS (High Impact Polystyrene) but some items (vehicles for example) can be cast in PU resin."


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 yakface wrote:

 Artemis Black wrote:

Thon funded at $35k, it only started backsliding after they passed $50k. It just backslid so hard and fast that it was about to drop below it's funding goal when it was cancelled.

I stand corrected!

My poor memory must have confused details of the Thon KS with that of Gates of Antares.

Ahh yeah, Antares had almost no hope with that funding goal and started bleeding long far below their goal.

Creator SCALE GAMES 17 minutes ago
Guys I would ask that discussions about issues that have been already resolved are dealt within other media, we have opened a forum (as some of our Backers had pointed out ) where we can keep all kind of conversations. as you also mentioned in these comments, this section is one of the most direct source of information for all those newcomers, and filling with a dialectical battle will not benefit anyone.

Thanks for your understanding

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All issues are resolved! This is great news!

Alpharius, you +1 dog. Now you're too cool. I believe you need to rage quit, return and belive in a cult that keep good games down.

 Artemis Black wrote:

 edlowe wrote:

Zond wrote:
I think Scale Games might need to calm us restless natives by smacking us all down indiscriminately with the answer stick of doom.

Well they've just answered 1 question, guess they were there in the background all along?

They really need to sort out this mess before people lose money.

Is there much they can do at this point? It seems like they are just trying to avoid saying 'We don't actually know', if they came out and said that it wouldn't exactly assuage concerns.

Agreed!

They seem to be working really, really hard to avoid saying "We don't know!" when it appears to be the truth here.

This was...disappointing:

Creator SCALE GAMES 5 minutes ago

Guys I would ask that discussions about issues that have been already resolved are dealt within other media, we have opened a forum (as some of our Backers had pointed out ) where we can keep all kind of conversations. as you also mentioned in these comments, this section is one of the most direct source of information for all those newcomers, and filling with a dialectical battle will not benefit anyone.

Thanks for your understanding

Have any of the core issues actually been resolved?

Someone else might want to point that out.

I'm quite sick of the cheerleaders in there bashing anyone who doesn't tow the line 100%...


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Zond wrote:
Alpharius, you +1 dog. Now you're too cool. I believe you need to rage quit, return and belive in a cult that keep good games down.

I couldn't resist - plus I really do appreciate "Kevin" and "Blaster" trying to calmly present the 'other side' of this 'debate'.

Looks like batman just got his side kick robin in the comments.

I feel like joining in this kickstarter again just to jump in the comments.

Yeah, the Special Snowflake Super Supporters are having a real blast in there.

It doesn't seem very respectful or considerate, does it?

 Alpharius wrote:
Yeah, the Special Snowflake Super Supporters are having a real blast in there.

It doesn't seem very respectful or considerate, does it?

Just wait until they type in all caps!

Dear lord have mercy on your soul child!

I can't believe I'm still in these comments, it just keeps pulling me back. I love the models, I just want answers

A kickstarter gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until campaign end. I am the sword of truth in the comments. I am the watcher for the updates. I am the shield that guards the wallets of Dakka. I pledge my life and honor to the Restic Knights, for this project and all the and all the projects to come.

+1 to Kevin Johnston!

Kevin Johnston 11 minutes ago

"Therefore we decided to declare than material would be HIPS used yet without compromising the quality of the design of the figures. We do not discard any option or material or supplier."

HIPS has been announced to the backers as we were all joyfully aware. However no material is being discarded as an option. Everything is on the table presumably.

Forgive me for belabouring a point and perhaps I'm having a very dense moment and misunderstanding what Scale Games are attempting to say, but that's not an answer to me. If every material and supplier is an option, then how can anything be finalised?

Creator SCALE GAMES 4 minutes ago

Kevin: As we announced a few hours ago, there will be no additional information on these topics today. But do not worry, as soon as we can give you an answer that satisfies your curiosity'll let you know.

Soon, I hope.

Right now, today stands at -11 backers and -1500 GBP.

This KS shows that people are more aware of the potential pitfalls now which is good, and will azazelx their pledge if the right guarantees aren't made or if it looks like the plan isn't fully thought through.

Yeah I'm out. The people running the campaign seem to be indignant over the fact that people won't let them get away with saying "We won't give you any answers about miniature quality, but we promise we want it to be good!".

Weirdly, despite the backsliding both funding and backers, Kicktraq has this at #2 in 'Today's Top Ten' (up 17 places).

So I guess congrats?

Wow. A rout seems to have started. I guess people really are paying proper attention.

The comment crazies clearly haven't realised they aren't helping at all either.

They're less than a grand away from un-funding at the moment... this'll be interesting to follow!

Reading through this little lot, I keep picturing Chris Walken saying something like "Heyy, yous guys. I need a HIPS replacement!"

?!?!

Pablo Lopez Jimeno wrote:the miniatures are absolutely great (even the gray unpainted ones)

Anybody fancy explaining the difference between renders and miniatures?

Andy Marshall wrote:
By not having all the money already in the bank, SG actually need a more realistic goal to actually fund the whole project, they dont have the financial backing of CMon etc and actually need people to believe in the project... which is the whole point of KSs - there is risk - I think we've grown too accustomed to the big budget approach.

Someone missed the part where Scale said they already had loads of money in the bank (more than the funding currently is).

I almost feel sorry for the backers on this, they clearly aren't paying attention to what Scale are showing/telling them, and mostly at this point exist in an echo chamber, playing games of 'who can say how much they love Scale/FF the most'.

richred_uk wrote:

Pablo Lopez Jimeno wrote:the miniatures are absolutely great (even the gray unpainted ones)

Anybody fancy explaining the difference between renders and miniatures?

I believe that would considered trolling, and part of a wider conspiracy to make the project fail.

Reading back through some of the comments, I wonder now if there is some shady agency you can go to to get these cheerleaders? I know that organisations (political entities, lobbyists, corporations) can commission people to go on forums and spread 'the good word' (usually by making opponents look bad), and that video game publishers seem to have a supply of friends to give them good reviews on Steam etc.

If I had 90K to spare it would be theirs to get this going, that is how much I believe in these guys and project...

I can't get over the comments section. It's like watching Trisha or Jeremy Springer. You know you shouldn't watch it but you can't help it.

Don't think the production material indecision or the comments are helping either:

I love the concepts for Fallen Frontiers but I think it's time Scale Games just took their cue. By this I mean cancel the kickstarter campaign, go back to the drawing board, and come back in a few months with an actual implementation plan and a lot more investment beyond just the concept stage. If they want big money, they're gonna have to earn it.

PS: I'm still in though I'll probably drop at the end. Sitting on an EB. Who knows, by some miracle they may actually surprise us.

Creator SCALE GAMES 21 minutes ago
It's´s a hard moment, we know it, but we are still working very hard (as always) to show you some gameplay and miniature quality (our miniature factory is working in some samples) We want to thank all of you that supported us with all your positive comments. For those still sceptic thanks too because criticism is helping us to improve our product.

Thanks all 

well if their producing samples no way its hips, mostly likely resin samples?

 edlowe wrote:

Creator SCALE GAMES 21 minutes ago
It's´s a hard moment, we know it, but we are still working very hard (as always) to show you some gameplay and miniature quality (our miniature factory is working in some samples) We want to thank all of you that supported us with all your positive comments. For those still sceptic thanks too because criticism is helping us to improve our product.

Thanks all 

well if their producing samples no way its hips, mostly likely resin samples?

Or 3 D prints? That's what they've shown so far isn't it?

Creator SCALE GAMES 15 minutes ago
@Andy P We are going to show the level of quality and detail that our production team can achieve with our own tools. HIPS is still the goal of our Kickstarter but the miniatures we will show you its our actual quality.

so their showing what they currently produce for their other game?

From their previous ks:

The models will be made in PU (polyurethane resin) resin. It is the most common resin used to produce model figures.

Edit.

Creator SCALE GAMES 17 minutes agoResin production is more expensive than Hips if you forget about tooling if this ends with 700 backers or so its perfectly possible to make resin production. If we say it will be resin but ends with 2000 backers HIPS is a much cheaper option. This was the reason why we didnt set a final material for the game at first. Probably our lack of communication has ended in some kind of disbelief and this is what we want to mend. Quality its our priority. Communication its something we need to improve

This is finally what I've been waiting to hear Maybe they should have said this at first?

So they need 700 backers for resin, 2000 for HIPS, very exact but not funding related? I would have thought they would have gone with some £ targets?

Resin production is more expensive than Hips if you forget about tooling if this ends with 700 backers or so its perfectly possible to make resin production. If we say it will be resin but ends with 2000 backers HIPS is a much cheaper option. This was the reason why we didnt set a final material for the game at first. Probably our lack of communication has ended in some kind of disbelief and this is what we want to mend. Quality its our priority. Communication its something we need to improve

It's still lacking in detail, but finally some semblance of honest communication.