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Personally, I think they need to restart the project with none of the ambiguity they started with.

I don't know...

I still think this will fund and end up around 120K or so.

If they cancel, reorganize and restart, can it get as high?

As for right now, I think Scale Games needs to re-do the front page.

Get that resin sample miniature pic front and center.

Clearly state what the material is (resin) and where they'll be doing it (In House).

Get the pledge levels to show the actual number of miniatures that are in them - and not just in tiny text, but pictures/graphics.

Get an 'official' presence going on all the major sites.

Get BoW on the case.

They've seemed MORE than open and OK to constructive criticism so far - and I find that a nice, refreshing attitude to have.

I still feel that this one can recover and do quite well - with just a little bit of work now!

Yes, they can shape it back, could have gone better if it started in the shape it is now, not sure if it needed all the flack it got to reach this state of clarity.

Props to them for been open to criticism and working on it.

I was in for a Commander pledge, but the material debate got me worried and I backed out. I'm really not sure there's anything they could say / do to pull me back in. Quite simply the trust in their competence is gone!

I wish them and their backers all the success, but I can't gamble £370 of my hard earned on this......

Aaaand now it's down another 1,000 pounds. Geeze. This is like a trainwreck in slow motion.

~Tim?

They emailed me to ask why I backed out. I listed my concerns and gave a few ideas that may help.

Got a nice reply saying thanks and they had considered options an welcomed my honest feedback. Can't fault them in that.

TBh that now has me thinking about re pledging. If only the scale was more compatible with all my scenery.

This reminds me a lot of that scene from saving private ryan where the medic shouts "We've stoped the bleeding, we've stopped bleeding!"

and a bullet just pops the poor guy in the head.

At any rate, I think we can all blame Alph for this, right guys?

I think a reboot of the campaign with upgraded presentation would be welcome.

Also, a re-scale of the miniatures so that they can get people to buy in who don't care about the game and want to use their minis in other games.

I doubt they will restart it as that option was considered during duel fighters which had more numerous reasons to restart but they never went through with it.

Also Its highly unlikely they will rescale the miniatures in the game. One of the many reasons they are 40mm they alluded to was to bring in painter/collectors.

They've seemed MORE than open and OK to constructive criticism so far - and I find that a nice, refreshing attitude to have.

This I what I found during the duel fighters campaign far from the accusations of liars cheats and frauds most people seem to be slinging at them.

The factions give a Planetfall meets Mass Effect feel.

As for scale, Fantasy Flight made their version of Warzone: The Mutant Chronicles with 57mm figs, it did not last very long, boxes collected dust at every game store I visited.
GW and their Inquisitor scale also in 60mm scale, most minis were used locally as "trophy" bits for tournament "bronze" "silver" and "gold" depending on overall winner, best general and best sportsman.

 Alpharius wrote:
In the past 4 days, they've lost 40 backers and about £6000, but...they're #1 on the Kicktraq Top 10?

In the past 4 days, Dust: Operation Babylon has gained 60 backers and about £18000 and they're...#6?

I'm at a loss as to why this one's bleeding backers and funds still.

The resin sample looked great, PVC is confirmed out, in house casting if confirmed in...

Everything looks good...though I'll admit that I'm not a fan of any of the vehicles so far.

Huh.

The Kicktraq hot list is only based on pledgers who have actually joined kicktraq etc. It's not a representation of kickstarter, just of kicktraq. They do it to encourage kickstarter campaigns to get their pledgers to join kicktraq.


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Other than all of the issues we've already mentioned, it could really be as simple as the more people find out that it's a 40mm resin game and not a 35mm plastic one the more people aren't interested.

If someone had told me at the start that they were launching a 40mm game in resin I would have immediately said that they had no hope. Their artwork and sculpting/painting skills might have seen me waver a bit but that would have been my initial reaction, it's just too weird and it's been tried repeatedly and it's always failed.

I mean they 'still' haven't change the damn scale question on their FAQ, it's still a bunch of crap. They did however change the material part of their FAQ, there must be a resin why they left the scale one as misleading.

If that is the case then stopping and relauching could be the worst thing for them, probably the most honest, but buiness-wise the worst.

Sent them a message as to the failure of Inquisitor and FF's version of Warzone for going bigger than 30mm scale

The are re-thinking their scaling

If they are re thinking the scale then I am guessing this one will need another relaunch :/

If Starship Troopers quotes can't save a kickstarter, nothing can.

They're rethinking the scale?

Is that 'official'?

I hadn't seen that...

This one started out with a lot of questions, but now they they've been answered, I'd really like for this one to succeed, fund and ship!

The last four days have been brutal though...

it keeps dropping and dropping. It will still lose more as people reshuffle pledges as the 1st round ones open up. :(


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based on a quick back of the napkin calculation it can lose another ~150 on pledge shuffling ... which might put it below 86k

The whole cancelling and re-starting the kickstarter thing is a very difficult decision, and i hope that whatever they do, that they dont rush it.

On the one hand, cancelling the kickstarter, taking some time off to polish up everything and get someone with at least a little bit of PR knowledge and that speaks english well could do wonders. Then when they re-start everything would be upfront and clear, and there would be someone speaking good english that can interface with the community.

On the other hand, as it seems to be right now, continuing the kickstarter will get them funded, but not by a huge degree. This is of course sad because of the talent that they have from an art and models perspective (dont get me started on the rules).

Finally, cancelling the kickstarter and re-starting could easily end up in people getting pissed, losing interest or losing faith, and the new kickstarter does not get picked up.

All of this could have easily been avoided with a little more preparation before launching the kickstarter of course, so let this be a lesson to us all.

 OnePageAnon wrote:


All of this could have easily been avoided with a little more preparation before launching the kickstarter of course, so let this be a lesson to us all.

Lesson?

Give me a break.

You've have to be willfully ignorant to not have learned these lessons from failed KS projects of others.

At this point, anyone ill-prepared for a KS project can only blame themselves.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Cincy's posts

"Yikes. Looks like this thing may dip below 86K tonight.
Too many Spaniards lose money in the 5-1 drubbing the Dutch handed out yesterday?"

You sir, deserve a trophy for that one.

Truth be told, though, I'm a little disappointed. Now that they've confirmed they're using resin, I'm actually pretty excited about getting some of the models. They look nice.

Honestly, I think the "rules preview" they just released hurt them more than it helped them. The reason people so often want minis that scale with their other games is because it's much easier to make pretty models than good rules.

For example, the rules for Last Saga don't look terrible, but I don't care, because I'm going to be able to use those models with Infinity.

If you're going to do something wonky with scale, your rules really need to be a home run. These, at this point, don't appear to be.

 OnePageAnon wrote:
The whole cancelling and re-starting the kickstarter thing is a very difficult decision, and i hope that whatever they do, that they dont rush it.

On the one hand, cancelling the kickstarter, taking some time off to polish up everything and get someone with at least a little bit of PR knowledge and that speaks english well could do wonders. Then when they re-start everything would be upfront and clear, and there would be someone speaking good english that can interface with the community.

On the other hand, as it seems to be right now, continuing the kickstarter will get them funded, but not by a huge degree. This is of course sad because of the talent that they have from an art and models perspective (dont get me started on the rules).

Finally, cancelling the kickstarter and re-starting could easily end up in people getting pissed, losing interest or losing faith, and the new kickstarter does not get picked up.

All of this could have easily been avoided with a little more preparation before launching the kickstarter of course, so let this be a lesson to us all.

there have been dozens and dozens of kickstarters to know what to emulate and know what to avoid.

People may not like CMON or what the have delivered or lack of communication in the earliest KS.

But they have pretty much masted (and possibly set the template?) to how you orchestrate and layout a kickstarter.

Proper video summarizing what it's about.

clean details of what you for what price.

clearly labeled stretch goals.

what the material is made of.

Kickstarter savings/freebies/rewards (what is a freebie what is a pay for add-on).

Constant communication during the kickstarter.

Prototypes with a number of comparison shots.

well organized stretch goals well ahead of time (no blank images).

demo video within the 1st week to 10 days. Preferably day 1.

One thing CMON has not been all that good at, IMO is always, always, always have a pdf of the rules available day 1.

Scale achieved some of this. Others they failed miserably. Other times you couldn't make out WTF they were saying or what direction they were headed.
Never, at any moment keep your investors guessing or wondering. Remove all doubt and they will follow with cash in hand.

 cincydooley wrote:


Truth be told, though, I'm a little disappointed. Now that they've confirmed they're using resin, I'm actually pretty excited about getting some of the models. They look nice.

Same here cincy - this is disappointing.

This one's doing a full on THON now...

Is there some other big KS that's taking this one's lunch money?

I imagine they will cancel if this doesn't reach enough funding to produce at least the troops in HIPS.

No way!

You think they'll cancel if it funds, but doesn't reach 130KGBP?

IF this one gets to 90K GBP, it is good to go.

And really, I'm WAY more comfortable with Scale Games making these miniatures in resin than I am HIPs at this point!

 Alpharius wrote:


Is there some other big KS that's taking this one's lunch money?

Certainly isn't Bunnies v Zombies.

That thing still isn't funded yet. I'm a little shocked by it.

Can't find anything else, unless everyone's just prepping for Zombicide S3

About that re-think of scales

I am not 100% they will, but I did give them something to think about

https://www.kickstarter.com/messages/6841104?ref=email

 Alpharius wrote:


And really, I'm WAY more comfortable with Scale Games making these miniatures in resin than I am HIPs at this point!

Agreed.

I think they'll be incredibly late, because I'm not sure they've ever done anything in this volume, but I have confidence that they can at least produce the models well.

So guys if they re started with everything clear from the start what would put you off from pledging (being constructive and all!)

By that I mean they've got great looking figures a shed load of good painters behind them plus their willing to listen to feedback on their beta rules.

I have always liked their figues and backgroud from the start, sure it needed a proper English translation but thats what you accept from new eu companies.

So basicly what would you like to see?

I love resin man - I just don't think any business is in the business of producing favours and that's what I believe making 40+mm high quality polyurethane resin figures for a pittance equates to. I don't see it happening. I guess I was too subtle a few posts back. I only ever think this was a gamble to get people pledging to reach the higher goal and never a real option. Obviously it's my opinion, but I'll state it's my opinion nontheless and it's why I dropped my pledge. If I thought it was real I'd be buying up starters to get a shedload of resin figures at less than wholesale (£1,33 each) and spamming them on ebay.

 edlowe wrote:
So guys if they re started with everything clear from the start what would put you off from pledging (being constructive and all!)

By that I mean they've got great looking figures a shed load of good painters behind them plus their willing to listen to feedback on their beta rules.

I have always liked their figues and backgroud from the start, sure it needed a proper English translation but thats what you accept from new eu companies.

So basicly what would you like to see?

I haven't pulled mine yet.

The background is pretty non-existent, generic sci fi at this point.

The rules are junk, unless there's some serious translation issues hiding a great game that I'm just not seeing.

The minis are where it's at, pretty simply. Because without those other two things being compelling, that's really all they have. And unfortunately, like I said before, they're at a scale that not everyone is going to be able to find them useful.