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2014/06/01 05:41:58
Subject: Soldier freed from Taliban after 5 year captivity
I'd heard that, but I hadn't looked into it. Is it accurate that he was a deserter?
edited for holy caps lock batman
The situation is really strange. He could have just wandered off the FOB I guess... but why would you? There is definitely enough to bring him to trial. A lot of POWs were tried for desertion after Korea as well, it's tricky to prosecute since the media optics are so bad. I would say time served is enough punishment if we didn't just trade one NCO with a room temperature IQ for five very competent Taliban field grade officers.
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
Phoenix wrote:Well I don't think the battle company would do much to bolster the ranks of my eldar army so no.
Nonsense. The Battle Company box is perfect for filling out your ranks of aspect warriors with a large contingent from the Screaming Baldies shrine.
2014/06/01 12:56:10
Subject: Soldier freed from Taliban after 5 year captivity
Out for an evening troll? I havn't read of any Gitmo inmates being beheaded for a video.
If you can cite the executed POW's then we'll talk about it. Otherwise I suggest you apologise for your "troll" comment.
Bergdahl was treated better than a gitmo inmate, beyond any doubt.
Bull gak. Plain and simple bull gak. The detainees in GITMO get great health care (which clearly Bergdahl did not) and plenty of other amenities.
I'm sure "Enhanced interrogation" was part of the health care package?
Can we mention the suicides, solitary confinement, sensory deprivation, sleep deprivation, sexual abuse?
Habeas corpus? Think deep and hard why you're rattled.
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2014/06/01 14:06:34
Subject: Soldier freed from Taliban after 5 year captivity
I'm sure "Enhanced interrogation" was part of the health care package?
Can we mention the suicides, solitary confinement, sensory deprivation, sleep deprivation, sexual abuse?
Habeas corpus? Think deep and hard why you're rattled.
Do you actually know what habeas corpus means?
2014/06/01 14:11:16
Subject: Soldier freed from Taliban after 5 year captivity
Whilst I have to agree with your statement, that Lt. Col. is one hell of a douchebag.
See, you're trying to use people logic. DM uses Mandelogic, which we've established has 2+2=quack. - Aerethan
Putin.....would make a Vulcan Intelligence officer cry. - Jihadin
AFAIK, there is only one world, and it is the real world. - Iron_Captain
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2014/06/01 14:30:33
Subject: Soldier freed from Taliban after 5 year captivity
Out for an evening troll? I havn't read of any Gitmo inmates being beheaded for a video.
If you can cite the executed POW's then we'll talk about it. Otherwise I suggest you apologise for your "troll" comment.
Bergdahl was treated better than a gitmo inmate, beyond any doubt.
Bull gak. Plain and simple bull gak. The detainees in GITMO get great health care (which clearly Bergdahl did not) and plenty of other amenities.
I'm sure "Enhanced interrogation" was part of the health care package? Can we mention the suicides, solitary confinement, sensory deprivation, sleep deprivation, sexual abuse?
Habeas corpus? Think deep and hard why you're rattled.
You really have no clue what you are talking about.
Suicides? Any irony that a tactic seen as legit by the Talibs includes strapping explosives to a guy and having him suicide while killing others? And it isn't as if suicides are unique to or were even over represented in GITMO. Hell, vets are capping themselves daily. Solitary confinement is bad? We have it in all our prisons, not unique to GITMO nor necessarily a bad thing. And sleep deprivation? As part of interrogation I have zero problems with it, or with sensory deprivation.
But regardless, your strawman is nothing but that. You have no evidence the Talibs treat prisoners better than the US military, and in fact it isn't too hard to find documented cases of their brutality as a systemic issue as opposed to aberrations which US troops get punished for. The article I posted with video of Talibs murdering prisoners is not unique. Do you suppose those Talibs were prosecuted by their leadership, and then punished?
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Every time a terrorist dies a Paratrooper gets his wings.
2014/06/01 14:45:48
Subject: Soldier freed from Taliban after 5 year captivity
You really have no clue what you are talking about.
Suicides? Any irony that a tactic seen as legit by the Talibs includes strapping explosives to a guy and having him suicide while killing others? And it isn't as if suicides are unique to or were even over represented in GITMO. Hell, vets are capping themselves daily.
Solitary confinement is bad? We have it in all our prisons, not unique to GITMO nor necessarily a bad thing.
And sleep deprivation? As part of interrogation I have zero problems with it, or with sensory deprivation.
But regardless, your strawman is nothing but that. You have no evidence the Talibs treat prisoners better than the US military, and in fact it isn't too hard to find documented cases of their brutality as a systemic issue as opposed to aberrations which US troops get punished for. The article I posted with video of Talibs murdering prisoners is not unique. Do you suppose those Talibs were prosecuted by their leadership, and then punished?
It appears you massively lack basic comprehension.
You talk of strawman when you are the only one doing it.
It is very simple to understand.
I said, this one guy was treated better than Gitmo prisoners. It's very simple. You take out out of the original context to apply to the larger group. I wasn't talking about the larger group I was talking about this ONE GUY.
As for the handwaving off American war crimes, it does not surprise me considering you foam at the mouth.
The "taliban" are a multi-faction entity, a fact you fail to comprehend. They mentioned it was pastun Haqqani keeping him as a prisoner of war and that there was an internal dispute between the hardliners in the taliban and the other group seeking to protect Bergdahl as an asset.
Now as I said either apologise or don't bother posting in response.
This released prisoner is a massive arsepain to the american warmonger ego. It's a big motive in blaming the victim in this case.
$10 says the land of the free will put a gag order on this poor guy.
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2014/06/01 15:14:53
Subject: Soldier freed from Taliban after 5 year captivity
Just a quick google of beheadings of U.S. soldiers will yield you a wealth of information or Youtube videos which I will not post here because it is graphic.
We can also speak of Daniel Pearl and other noncombatents beheaded by these animals in numbers enough to put your allegations of better treatment of prisoners by the Taliban and others of their ilk pretty far into the realm of delusional.
We have enough people on these forums who served over there that I am sure have first hand stories of how well prisoners get treated by the terrorists.
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2014/06/01 15:25:44
Subject: Soldier freed from Taliban after 5 year captivity
You really have no clue what you are talking about.
Suicides? Any irony that a tactic seen as legit by the Talibs includes strapping explosives to a guy and having him suicide while killing others? And it isn't as if suicides are unique to or were even over represented in GITMO. Hell, vets are capping themselves daily.
Solitary confinement is bad? We have it in all our prisons, not unique to GITMO nor necessarily a bad thing.
And sleep deprivation? As part of interrogation I have zero problems with it, or with sensory deprivation.
But regardless, your strawman is nothing but that. You have no evidence the Talibs treat prisoners better than the US military, and in fact it isn't too hard to find documented cases of their brutality as a systemic issue as opposed to aberrations which US troops get punished for. The article I posted with video of Talibs murdering prisoners is not unique. Do you suppose those Talibs were prosecuted by their leadership, and then punished?
It appears you massively lack basic comprehension.
You talk of strawman when you are the only one doing it.
It is very simple to understand.
I said, this one guy was treated better than Gitmo prisoners. It's very simple. You take out out of the original context to apply to the larger group. I wasn't talking about the larger group I was talking about this ONE GUY.
As for the handwaving off American war crimes, it does not surprise me considering you foam at the mouth.
The "taliban" are a multi-faction entity, a fact you fail to comprehend. They mentioned it was pastun Haqqani keeping him as a prisoner of war and that there was an internal dispute between the hardliners in the taliban and the other group seeking to protect Bergdahl as an asset.
Now as I said either apologise or don't bother posting in response.
This released prisoner is a massive arsepain to the american warmonger ego. It's a big motive in blaming the victim in this case.
$10 says the land of the free will put a gag order on this poor guy.
And, as I stated earlier, this One Guy was NOT treated better than the detainees in GITMO. Not even close.
And I gave an example of Talibs executing prisoners, got a similar example of US troops executing Talibs in GITMO?
Every time a terrorist dies a Paratrooper gets his wings.
2014/06/01 15:47:12
Subject: Soldier freed from Taliban after 5 year captivity
Just a quick google of beheadings of U.S. soldiers will yield you a wealth of information or Youtube videos which I will not post here because it is graphic.
We can also speak of Daniel Pearl and other noncombatents beheaded by these animals in numbers enough to put your allegations of better treatment of prisoners by the Taliban and others of their ilk pretty far into the realm of delusional.
We have enough people on these forums who served over there that I am sure have first hand stories of how well prisoners get treated by the terrorists.
Not arguing for any side here, but you quoted him talking about a single prisoner and then talked about how many other prisoners were beheaded. Disingenuous at best.
See, you're trying to use people logic. DM uses Mandelogic, which we've established has 2+2=quack. - Aerethan
Putin.....would make a Vulcan Intelligence officer cry. - Jihadin
AFAIK, there is only one world, and it is the real world. - Iron_Captain
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TFOL and proud. Also a Forge World Fan.
I should really paint some of my models instead of browsing forums.
2014/06/01 15:50:50
Subject: Soldier freed from Taliban after 5 year captivity
Just a quick google of beheadings of U.S. soldiers will yield you a wealth of information or Youtube videos which I will not post here because it is graphic.
We can also speak of Daniel Pearl and other noncombatents beheaded by these animals in numbers enough to put your allegations of better treatment of prisoners by the Taliban and others of their ilk pretty far into the realm of delusional.
We have enough people on these forums who served over there that I am sure have first hand stories of how well prisoners get treated by the terrorists.
Not arguing for any side here, but you quoted him talking about a single prisoner and then talked about how many other prisoners were beheaded. Disingenuous at best.
He asked for citation of executed POW's and I obliged.
2014/06/01 15:55:44
Subject: Soldier freed from Taliban after 5 year captivity
Just a quick google of beheadings of U.S. soldiers will yield you a wealth of information or Youtube videos which I will not post here because it is graphic.
We can also speak of Daniel Pearl and other noncombatents beheaded by these animals in numbers enough to put your allegations of better treatment of prisoners by the Taliban and others of their ilk pretty far into the realm of delusional.
We have enough people on these forums who served over there that I am sure have first hand stories of how well prisoners get treated by the terrorists.
Not arguing for any side here, but you quoted him talking about a single prisoner and then talked about how many other prisoners were beheaded. Disingenuous at best.
He asked for citation of executed POW's and I obliged.
I stand corrected, I had assumed you were talking about his treatment by the Taliban.
See, you're trying to use people logic. DM uses Mandelogic, which we've established has 2+2=quack. - Aerethan
Putin.....would make a Vulcan Intelligence officer cry. - Jihadin
AFAIK, there is only one world, and it is the real world. - Iron_Captain
DakkaRank Comment: I sound like a Power Ranger.
TFOL and proud. Also a Forge World Fan.
I should really paint some of my models instead of browsing forums.
2014/06/01 16:03:06
Subject: Soldier freed from Taliban after 5 year captivity
Just a quick google of beheadings of U.S. soldiers will yield you a wealth of information or Youtube videos which I will not post here because it is graphic.
We can also speak of Daniel Pearl and other noncombatents beheaded by these animals in numbers enough to put your allegations of better treatment of prisoners by the Taliban and others of their ilk pretty far into the realm of delusional.
We have enough people on these forums who served over there that I am sure have first hand stories of how well prisoners get treated by the terrorists.
Not arguing for any side here, but you quoted him talking about a single prisoner and then talked about how many other prisoners were beheaded. Disingenuous at best.
He asked for citation of executed POW's and I obliged.
I stand corrected, I had assumed you were talking about his treatment by the Taliban.
No problem, bro. You were just being fair.
2014/06/01 21:41:11
Subject: Re:Soldier freed from Taliban after 5 year captivity
I swear that had killed him being there was no new video of him alive for quite awhile even on the attempt of peace talk. I'm glad I was wrong.
Only POW that has been held by Taliban and Insurgent forces that lived as far as I know.
We only recovered bodies or ID cards of service members of those taken by insurgent forces
I also know if they televised a beheading of a US/Coalition military member would open a huge can of worms they do not want and they knew it.
I also know the GITMO detainee's have better care then anyone in the freaking world.
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2014/06/01 21:59:37
Subject: Re:Soldier freed from Taliban after 5 year captivity
n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
2014/06/01 22:05:27
Subject: Soldier freed from Taliban after 5 year captivity
The only thing to say here is welcome home and I hope he manages to adjust back to his old life after what must have been one of the most traumatic experiences imaginable.
Some of the cheap point scoring being made on this thread is revolting. This isn't the time or place.
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2014/06/01 22:13:37
Subject: Re:Soldier freed from Taliban after 5 year captivity
That's going to be one massive non taxable back pay he have coming.
Proud Member of the Infidels of OIF/OEF
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Warning: Stupid Allergy
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RIP Muhammad Ali.
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2014/06/01 22:19:02
Subject: Re:Soldier freed from Taliban after 5 year captivity
Jihadin wrote: That's going to be one massive non taxable back pay he have coming.
He'll need it for the decompression. Like I said at the beginning, I can't imagine the thoughts and emotions he must be going through. I would guess he wants a lot of alone time with his family.
2014/06/01 22:26:33
Subject: Re:Soldier freed from Taliban after 5 year captivity
Proud Member of the Infidels of OIF/OEF
No longer defending the US Military or US Gov't. Just going to ""**feed into your fears**"" with Duffel Blog Did not fight my way up on top the food chain to become a Vegan...
Warning: Stupid Allergy
Once you pull the pin, Mr. Grenade is no longer your friend
DE 6700
Harlequin 2500
RIP Muhammad Ali.
Jihadin, Scorched Earth 791. Leader of the Pork Eating Crusader. Alpha
2014/06/01 22:30:10
Subject: Soldier freed from Taliban after 5 year captivity
Just a quick google of beheadings of U.S. soldiers will yield you a wealth of information or Youtube videos which I will not post here because it is graphic.
We can also speak of Daniel Pearl and other noncombatents beheaded by these animals in numbers enough to put your allegations of better treatment of prisoners by the Taliban and others of their ilk pretty far into the realm of delusional.
We have enough people on these forums who served over there that I am sure have first hand stories of how well prisoners get treated by the terrorists.
Not arguing for any side here, but you quoted him talking about a single prisoner and then talked about how many other prisoners were beheaded. Disingenuous at best.
He asked for citation of executed POW's and I obliged.
It helps if you knew the difference between Afghanistan and Iraq, let alone the difference between the Iraqi insurgency and the Taliban.
so no.
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