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I'd just like to point out that most of the Chaos players moaning that their face roll flyer is useless, need to look at the damn thing and learn tactics and deployment.

Two of those things still wreck face as I found out watching games last night.

We have a Nurgle Player with two BaleDrakes and he won all three of his games last night and all three the week before.

I suggest reading the codex, read it again, then try planning your initial attack with them so they can get the most coverage in one blast on a single unit per Drake.

It isn't rocket science and the Drake doesn't suck.

You just need to tweak your little list, take other units to plug whatever hole you perceive you have in your list and let the death commence.

Basically, take more Drakes and forsake your other Fast Attack choices, because so.

Also, this....

 Tyrius wrote:
Truth!

Gonna have to put cones on my Heldrake now so the enemy feels less threatened by them, as I definitely feel less threatening with them as they are. Perhaps the cones will shame players enough to adjusting their strategy AGAINST the Heldrake, rather than telling Chaos players to adjust their strategy because they "win too hard."

The common theme I'm finding people have problems with the Heldrake? Still seems to be numbers. Those of us that ran 1 were fine. Those of us that ran 2 or more? Not so fine and forced this nerf because the opposition cried foul. And still there is no fix on Trip-Tides. ;>>

Puscifer wrote:
I'd just like to point out that most of the Chaos players moaning that their face roll flyer is useless, need to look at the damn thing and learn tactics and deployment.

Two of those things still wreck face as I found out watching games last night.

We have a Nurgle Player with two BaleDrakes and he won all three of his games last night and all three the week before.

I suggest reading the codex, read it again, then try planning your initial attack with them so they can get the most coverage in one blast on a single unit per Drake.

It isn't rocket science and the Drake doesn't suck.

You just need to tweak your little list, take other units to plug whatever hole you perceive you have in your list and let the death commence.

Any opponent who cares about his infantry is going to spread out so you can only get 4 under the template. It doesn't matter where your initial attack lands if your opponent knows what you're going to do and can very simply shut it down by positioning his own models. The baledrake has only one trick so its not hard to see coming. The problem isn't people not knowing how to use it, its that anyone who knows how its used can easily mitigate its damage to ignorable levels. The ol' "so and so won X games with Y unit so Y unit must be good" has never counted for much.

JubbJubbz wrote:

Puscifer wrote:
I'd just like to point out that most of the Chaos players moaning that their face roll flyer is useless, need to look at the damn thing and learn tactics and deployment.

Two of those things still wreck face as I found out watching games last night.

We have a Nurgle Player with two BaleDrakes and he won all three of his games last night and all three the week before.

I suggest reading the codex, read it again, then try planning your initial attack with them so they can get the most coverage in one blast on a single unit per Drake.

It isn't rocket science and the Drake doesn't suck.

You just need to tweak your little list, take other units to plug whatever hole you perceive you have in your list and let the death commence.

Any opponent who cares about his infantry is going to spread out so you can only get 4 under the template. It doesn't matter where your initial attack lands if your opponent knows what you're going to do and can very simply shut it down by positioning his own models. The baledrake has only one trick so its not hard to see coming. The problem isn't people not knowing how to use it, its that anyone who knows how its used can easily mitigate its damage to ignorable levels. The ol' "so and so won X games with Y unit so Y unit must be good" has never counted for much.

Have an Exalt. This has been my counter position to everyone thinking the Heldrake nerf was a good and needed thing (to the extent it is now). You tell us to change strategy? Well pretty much every army out there already had a counter strategy against the Baledrake. So I'd say it was a cheap shot at Chaos to take our better unit and break its neck.

I'm also still of the compromise that if the real gripe was Shake and Bake (VS+Baleflamer the tasty bits inside) then give us 180 and now you don't have to worry about the Heldrake looking back and doing exactly that. But then for some reason "going back to the way it was," even though "the way it was" was changed for a reason is a valid answer.

"Tactic up, Chaos!" No. The other party needs to stop crying and "tactic up" themselves. Simply put, it doesn't cost a non-Chaos army to spread their ranks and mitigate the Baleflamer. It DOES cost Chaos players money when we have to shelve the damn thing, and it's not a cheap model either.

The limited fire arc of the heldrake now makes it an excellent sniper.

Sure, you'll only cover 4 models. But you're wounding on a 2+ and if you arrange yourself so that your very narrow arc can only see a couple important models, then you're going to be getting more bang for your buck. Maybe you only did 4 wounds! So they're on the meltagunner and the sergeant... oh dear.