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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/05 06:05:42
Subject: Monstrous creature on a Battlement
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Tunneling Trygon
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Is there anything that prevents a monstrous creature from being deployed on top of a bastion if I can physically place it? My logic is:
1. The top of the bastion is treated as difficult terrain, and as a seperate piece of terrain from the building.
2. Therefore, an MC may be placed in said difficult terrain. He may not however embark inside the Building.
3. How would an MC get off the top of a bastion? Treating it as the top level of a ruin, per stronghold assault, he would have to just step off the side.
Is there anything that I'm missing?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/05 06:30:39
Subject: Monstrous creature on a Battlement
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Confessor Of Sins
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Battlements are treated as difficult terrain as you say, so going down would just involve moving off.
I see you can't jump down any more, they removed a lot of the rules dealing with the battlements, so what happens if you fail a morale test now?
Do you re-enter the building and become fearless (thus regrouping)?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/05 08:10:42
Subject: Monstrous creature on a Battlement
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Power-Hungry Cultist of Tzeentch
Beale AFB, CA
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If models cannot move full distance towards the board edge while falling back, they are removed as casualties. If you cannot leap from a battlement, and cannot enter the building, and cannot move the distance rolled, but must fall back, then models are removed. Presuambly, they get scared and off themselves.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/05 08:12:24
Subject: Monstrous creature on a Battlement
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Repentia Mistress
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Perhaps you can, during the pregame terrain discussion, agree to use the leaping off ruins rule? Is that still in 7th Ed?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/05 08:25:49
Subject: Monstrous creature on a Battlement
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Regular Dakkanaut
Shropshire
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I think you cab litterally just step of the side of a building now with no consequences :/ with the leap of faith rule gone
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/05 11:39:29
Subject: Monstrous creature on a Battlement
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Fixture of Dakka
Vanished Completely
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Milkboy,
Pen it into the Datasheet and it is all Legal.
Katana100,
What happens if the vertical distance is larger then the maximum distance allowed?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/05 11:58:10
Subject: Monstrous creature on a Battlement
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Noise Marine Terminator with Sonic Blaster
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JinxDragon wrote:Milkboy,
Pen it into the Datasheet and it is all Legal.
Katana100,
What happens if the vertical distance is larger then the maximum distance allowed?
You can use fishing line to suspend the models at the appropriate heights. This is to help represent them being in the act of falling. If, during your opponent's shooting phase, he decides to target falling models, they now have the hard to hit rule.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/05 12:28:36
Subject: Monstrous creature on a Battlement
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Why would they be Hard to Hit? It is not like they could dodge or jink.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/05 13:14:54
Subject: Monstrous creature on a Battlement
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Noise Marine Terminator with Sonic Blaster
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Naw wrote:Why would they be Hard to Hit? It is not like they could dodge or jink.
Which is why they don't get a jink save.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/05 13:52:39
Subject: Monstrous creature on a Battlement
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Fireknife Shas'el
Lisbon, Portugal
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MCs cannot enter buildings
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/05 13:54:06
Subject: Monstrous creature on a Battlement
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Tunneling Trygon
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Fortunately MCs are fearless, so will never fall back. However there are no longer any rules for "leap of faith"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/05 13:55:00
Subject: Monstrous creature on a Battlement
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Fixture of Dakka
Vanished Completely
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Jifel,
Did they add that in 7th?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/05 13:55:59
Subject: Monstrous creature on a Battlement
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The Hive Mind
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jifel wrote:Fortunately MCs are fearless, so will never fall back. However there are no longer any rules for "leap of faith"
The underlined hasn't been true in 6th or 7th edition, and I don't remember it being true in 5th either.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/05 16:47:21
Subject: Monstrous creature on a Battlement
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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jifel wrote:Fortunately MCs are fearless, so will never fall back. However there are no longer any rules for "leap of faith"
MC's are not fearless. The have the following special rules:
Fear, Hammer of Wrath, Move Through Cover, Relentless and Smash
It is unclear to me if they can move onto or off of a bastion, as my bastion is 6" high, and it would be moving through cover. So technically they can get lucky, and roll a 6" Move Through Cover, however they also need some amount of horizontal movement to move off of the battlements, so I would say RAW, no they cannot move off a bastion.
Some insight can be gained by reading the building damage table. The Detonation! result says:
"Battlements that are part of a building that suffers a Detonation damage result are destroyed. Each unit on the battlements suffers 2D6 Strength 6 AP- hits with the Ignores Cover special rule and must then immediately make a 6" move in order to move off of the battlements (this movement is not slowed by difficult terrain). Any models that cannot move off of the battlements are removed as casualties. Assuming they were not destroyed, all units that had to move off the battlements must then take a Pinning test."
Based on my understanding RAW, any unit occupying the battlements of a bastion (6" high) when a bastion suffers a Detonation! result are always removed as casualties, because it is impossible to make a 6" move to move off of the battlements.
I think this is a case of GW writing rules they don't understand very well, as I doubt this is RAI, but we can't know for sure. I think this is a clear case of a rule that would benefit from an FAQ, but I doubt very much that GW is interested in FAQing rules, and instead are going to focus on typos and terminology in all future FAQ's.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/05 16:51:19
Subject: Monstrous creature on a Battlement
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I think he meant to say TMCs are Fearless!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/05 17:51:57
Subject: Monstrous creature on a Battlement
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Tunneling Trygon
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rigeld2 wrote: jifel wrote:Fortunately MCs are fearless, so will never fall back. However there are no longer any rules for "leap of faith"
The underlined hasn't been true in 6th or 7th edition, and I don't remember it being true in 5th either.
Eldercaveman wrote:I think he meant to say TMCs are Fearless!
Yeah, sorry about that. Every MC in the Tyranid codex has fearless, my main army. The only MCs that don't have fearless are the Daemons, who also can't fall back.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/05 18:12:51
Subject: Monstrous creature on a Battlement
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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jifel wrote:Eldercaveman wrote:I think he meant to say TMCs are Fearless!
Yeah, sorry about that. Every MC in the Tyranid codex has fearless, my main army. The only MCs that don't have fearless are the Daemons, who also can't fall back.
And Riptides. The easiest way to kill a riptide is to multi-assault into a unit of kroot. Kill a few Kroot, and the riptide is running. 2+ Armor, 3+ invul can't stop sweeping advance.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/05 18:13:08
Subject: Monstrous creature on a Battlement
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Dakka Veteran
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A quote from the stronghold assault. Treat battlements as upper level of ruins... So if a MC IS ALLOWED TO GET ON THE BATTLEMENTS (oops) then it's a 6 inch move to get down from say a bastion. However MC are not allowed to go on the top floor of a ruin so the point is moot.
Remember when it comes to rules for fortifications and buildings and such we have to use the books provided to us at a cost. This is the stronghold assault book. Iirc the brb says refer to this book for rules on these items.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/05 18:28:41
Subject: Monstrous creature on a Battlement
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
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edit: forgot to reload thread
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/05 18:52:40
Subject: Monstrous creature on a Battlement
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Repentia Mistress
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Yeah! Lets show GW how to write some proper rules!! Lol
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/05 19:43:31
Subject: Monstrous creature on a Battlement
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Lungpickle wrote:A quote from the stronghold assault. Treat battlements as upper level of ruins... So if a MC IS ALLOWED TO GET ON THE BATTLEMENTS (oops) then it's a 6 inch move to get down from say a bastion. However MC are not allowed to go on the top floor of a ruin so the point is moot.
Remember when it comes to rules for fortifications and buildings and such we have to use the books provided to us at a cost. This is the stronghold assault book. Iirc the brb says refer to this book for rules on these items.
MCs can go to upper floors of ruins. There used to be some sort of wonky rule in 6th that was "if the ruin looks stable enough, and MC can go to the upper floor", but that rule is gone from 7th. MC's can climb ruins. So can bikes now.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/06 02:29:04
Subject: Monstrous creature on a Battlement
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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tag8833 wrote: jifel wrote:Eldercaveman wrote:I think he meant to say TMCs are Fearless!
Yeah, sorry about that. Every MC in the Tyranid codex has fearless, my main army. The only MCs that don't have fearless are the Daemons, who also can't fall back.
And Riptides. The easiest way to kill a riptide is to multi-assault into a unit of kroot. Kill a few Kroot, and the riptide is running. 2+ Armor, 3+ invul can't stop sweeping advance.
And Dreadknights.
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