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 plastictrees wrote:

 Artemis Black wrote:
It's worse on his blog
http://warprime.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/the-war-prime-game-announced.html

Yikes. What gaming reality does he live in?

@Artemis Black I can fully understand the frustration since we both are part of this Industry and have better knowledge than this aspiring wanna-be manufacturer. Imho however it's up to the backers to decide whether this project is doable or not. I believe (and so do some of my Team members here) that this project will not suceed for a couple of reasons, most important of which is the attitude shown from the creator (and maybe the rest of his group since nobody stepped in to stop him from writting all this nonsense).
I don't directly take it as an insult like you, if he says the Industry (that would also mean us) is greedy and overcharging, then I welcome him to become more competitive. :-D When he finds out however that there are a bunch of additional costs to what he thinks he knows, then I'll be very eager to see his reaction. Which I already know it will start with something like "Unexpected problems have shown up..."

In the meanwhile I think it wiser to get off the PC and finish our morning work, then head off to have a swim since our HQ are but 8km from the sea and it's getting really hot here :-)

I love the art of this game and the initial ideas but the lack of details and attitudes about this are... unpleasant. I do think that a lot of other games that have been better thought out and planned hard hard times funding still so with the little planning done here it would be interesting to see if it funds.

SIDE NOTE- if you look at his earlier posts on the KS, or somewhere he said all the rest of his staff are off till this up and coming Monday. Maybe when they all get back they will see what he has done and correct it? There is still some hope that the others will have a voice of reason to save this project from the way he has handled it. I seems like he has surrounded himself with competent people so I would be surprised if no one did anything.

 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:

 plastictrees wrote:

 Artemis Black wrote:
It's worse on his blog
http://warprime.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/the-war-prime-game-announced.html

Yikes. What gaming reality does he live in?

@Artemis Black I can fully understand the frustration since we both are part of this Industry and have better knowledge than this aspiring wanna-be manufacturer. Imho however it's up to the backers to decide whether this project is doable or not. I believe (and so do some of my Team members here) that this project will not suceed for a couple of reasons, most important of which is the attitude shown from the creator (and maybe the rest of his group since nobody stepped in to stop him from writting all this nonsense).
I don't directly take it as an insult like you, if he says the Industry (that would also mean us) is greedy and overcharging, then I welcome him to become more competitive. :-D When he finds out however that there are a bunch of additional costs to what he thinks he knows, then I'll be very eager to see his reaction. Which I already know it will start with something like "Unexpected problems have shown up..."

In the meanwhile I think it wiser to get off the PC and finish our morning work, then head off to have a swim since our HQ are but 8km from the sea and it's getting really hot here :-)

I think that Shieldwolf is in about as qualified a position as you can get to make comments, with regards to filling the 'plucky young company just getting into plastic 28mm miniatures that have certain aesthetic similarities to another certain wargame' department.

Comments about GW like:

Where do I throw dirt on them? I call them greedy? Thats it. Because in my opinion their deliberate manipulation of their rules and unit prices for the single purpose of driving miniatures sales (not supporting their game), is their guiding light. Money over fun. Profit over good will and brand loyalty.

make the mind boggle a little. It's a business. Of course profit is the main agenda. Just about everybody I know accepts that fact with equanimity. The only thing people disagree on is whether or not their manipulation of the rules/their hobby to drive sales is the best way for them to make a long term profit.

To then follow that up with generalised comments like:

'Looking at the cost of miniatures, manufacturing, and shipping I was astounded to discover how much money miniatures companies were overcharging.

is somewhat insulting to just about every other miniatures company to boot, so I can see Artemis's position. It's directly stating that other companies than GW (the plural was used) are horrendously overcharging, and the implication is that the majority of them are.

But I'm pretty sure that Shieldwolf's Renedra-tooled Savage Orcs didn't come cheap, and nobody volunteered the sculpt for Hasslefree's Fire Wasp vehicle free of charge. Their creators have to live. Accusing them of charging more than their material costs after the model is made in the name of 'profit' (hiss!) is all well and good, but it feels somewhat disingenous. Their creators have to live, and their businesses need capital to grow. Even if Shieldwolf was making £20 of pure profit a box as is stated by the creator of Warprime(which I highly doubt), I'd wager that they have debt from tooling costs, or if that's been cleared, want to build up enough capital to make more new products.

As well as, you know, paying their own mortgages, the sculptors, the artists, and everyone else involved a decent wage.

I liked the artwork, but I think I'll be giving this one a miss. The 'Holier than thou' attitude grates on my nerves a little, and it makes me think the creator has no idea what he's talking about.

So the name WAR PRIME has been an idea I have had in my head for many years. It originally started as a 3rd person Action shooter strategy game.

Two years ago I started playing Warhammer 40K again. While we were doing that one of my friends moved to Arazona. it got me thinking about all the people I use to play with and how I missed playing games with them. So last year I had the notion to make a digital tabletop war-game.

I had spent to much time and money building this universe to just let it go. I looked at my options and thought I would look into how hard it would be to make actual miniatures. Looking at the cost of miniatures, manufacturing, and shipping I was astounded to discover how much money miniatures companies were overcharging.

There are many tabletop miniatures games. There are even many tabletop miniature war-games. But there is only one science fiction 25mm tabletop war game. This game doesn't need to be named.

But without competition to keep them honest and hungry, they have become greedy. Without someone to challenge them they have run roughshod over the hobby and their fan bass. It is time for this to change.

This blog post just screams "i am just trying to save my investment". I would love to know what 25mm wargame he is referring to, and would love to understand how come there is NO competition in this market... Also the amount of spelling mistakes all over the blog, the kickstarter, etc. is astounding for a native speaker.

I liked the artwork, but I think I'll be giving this one a miss. The 'Holier than thou' attitude grates on my nerves a little, and it makes me think the creator has no idea what he's talking about.

This about sums up my position.






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 OnePageAnon wrote:

[i]There are many tabletop miniatures games. There are even many tabletop miniature war-games. But there is only one science fiction 25mm tabletop war game. This game doesn't need to be named.

I wonder what 25mm science fiction tabletop war game he is referring to...

But without competition to keep them honest and hungry, they have become greedy. Without someone to challenge them they have run roughshod over the hobby and their fan bass. It is time for this to change.

So all the other miniature wargames out there do not count as competition?

It is surprisingly common that people are only aware of GW and 40k. Leaving 40k for some means leaving the hobby entirely. Conversely, coming back into the fold, means exclusively getting back into a GW product.

Less common is the lack of awareness from potential manufacturers and games designers.

Based on what they have written my own opinion on the creator of WarPrime is that his narrow mindedness of the tabletop games market translates to lack of awareness in his other - purported - fields.

Not someone I would invest in.

 Malkaven wrote:

 Vertrucio wrote:
Have to laugh at people still whining about getting their ruler picture, but then having to, *gasp* convert a measurement.
And it's the usual same few posters too.

Ditto

It's simple.

If you want my money a year upfront for your project, you better be willing to do the work. Getting a proper ruler with millimetres for a product shot (without oversized bases) isn't rocket surgery or unreasonable, especially given how fast and loose many manufacturers have played with "28mm" and "32mm" in the last few years.




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 agnosto wrote:

Obviously, they can't advertise the exact kickstarters that this guy has worked on, that would entail getting permission from those companies etc. I'm hoping that since they have him on board now, they'll be showing some of the same type of stuff later on.

Why? It's the sculptor's CV. When we see things released designed by people who have worked for GW or Rackham (amongst others) there's never secrecy about which projects they have worked on. Might need permission to use images of other companies' physical models, but again that can depend - a link to an artists' online portfolio of work-for-hire isn't unusual either.

Because people can't do what I did and spend 10seconds googling the people involved before investing? I do much mor than that before investing in stock and view backing a Kickstarter as a similar enterprise. I'm not going to just throw money at random people and hope for the best (I did that once....and learned a lesson). Yes, they could have postef the digital artist (who apparently lives in my hometown) but if they were an all there business I would hope they wouldn't use Kickstarter. Heck Mantic kickstarters are examples of how not to run a business and they still sell tons of cheap-quaity crap in their nearly quarterly Kickstarters. Would I lime to see someone do better? Yes but it's hardly the norm on Kickstarter.

I'm not going to back this project but it's not because the creator didn't take a picture of a prototype next to a GW mini or plaster other companies' products all over their page; those are the two things that the creator has done that I agree with from a business perspective.

I literally don't get how anyone can be personally insulted by industry hyperbole as some are in this thread. GW constantly say they're the best on the planet and I haven't seen people act like they rang their doorbell and punched their baby. It's marketing drivel we see time and again everywhere; heck Tom Kirby says people have forgotten about RPGs and Pokemon. It's amatureish self-promotion but personal insults to the owners of small mini businesses it only is if you create that reality for yourself, which apparently some have. Personally, I've had to grow thick skin and I just administer several million in grants and the personnel attached to those funds; if I were a business owner, I think that I would have to have a much larger capacity to shrug off the comments of competitors and upstarts.

Anyway, I'll bow out at this point; I really don't have a dog in this fight (Michael Vick?) and just posted because of the more vitriolic than usual spewing going on in this thread. Maybe I shouldn't have posted, ah well.

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After posting this, I looked at the KS comments and the creator is quoting from Trollforged's site so this either confirms Trollforge or the creator's being dishonest.

I think that's a fair post, agnosto, and agree that some of the sarcasm in this thread earlier was over the top.

But, I also think this campaign fails on it's own lack of merits... not because people have poked a bit of fun at it. But seeing people point out flaws more respectfully would be good, and would make a better case, imo.

 agnosto wrote:
Edit:
After posting this, I looked at the KS comments and the creator is quoting from Trollforged's site so this either confirms Trollforge or the creator's being dishonest.

As I posted earlier, they reached out to Trollforged... that is the extent of it, no more, no less. I also think the point is moot since this is unlikely to successfully fund...

 RiTides wrote:
I think that's a fair post, agnosto, and agree that some of the sarcasm in this thread earlier was over the top.

But, I also think this campaign fails on it's own lack of merits... not because people have poked a bit of fun at it. But seeing people point out flaws more respectfully would be good, and would make a better case, imo.

As I posted earlier, they reached out to Trollforged... that is the extent of it, no more, no less. I also think the point is moot since this is unlikely to successfully fund...

Fair enough and we've seen other Kickstarters come in with grandiose ideas and fall flat only to be reshuffled, lessons learnt and come back. I'm more willing to give these guys the benefit of the doubt than Tony Reidy of Defiance infamy who people still gave money to even after how many management reshuffles during the campaign? I agree that this one comes off as half-baked and will likely fail on its own but then we could both be wrong as I've seen some dodgy KS's get funded (like the aforementioned Defiance).

Mini kickstarters have an uphill battle to begin with; we wargamers are persnickety bunch and there are only a few manufacturers being used out there. Mark with Dreamforge is a great guy and makes an incredible product but he's well over a year behind schedule; we can say it's WGF's fault but it's probably a weak contract as well which would be on his end of things because other, later Kickstarters were being manufactured before his stuff.

 agnosto wrote:

I literally don't get how anyone can be personally insulted by industry hyperbole as some are in this thread. GW constantly say they're the best on the planet and I haven't seen people act like they rang their doorbell and punched their baby. It's marketing drivel we see time and again everywhere; heck Tom Kirby says people have forgotten about RPGs and Pokemon. It's amatureish self-promotion but personal insults to the owners of small mini businesses it only is if you create that reality for yourself, which apparently some have. Personally, I've had to grow thick skin and I just administer several million in grants and the personnel attached to those funds; if I were a business owner, I think that I would have to have a much larger capacity to shrug off the comments of competitors and upstarts.

Anyway, I'll bow out at this point; I really don't have a dog in this fight (Michael Vick?) and just posted because of the more vitriolic than usual spewing going on in this thread. Maybe I shouldn't have posted, ah well..

*grin* From my end it's not like I was personally outraged and went telling all my friends. If I'd have seen it in passing on a blog or something I'd have laughed and maybe sent the link to some mates so they could laugh.

But he said it right here in a thread that I was already participating in, doesn't seem too out of order to let him know that a) it's insulting and b) if you're going to insult other people you may want to make sure you have your own ducks in a row first cos at least some of us are going to be sarcastic about them.

I can assure you I didn't lose any sleep over it or anything In fact I'm of the same opinion as you, he has no idea how insulting he was being and it was just an awful attempt at hyperbole and marketing. It beggars belief how someone can kick off a kickstarter like this and be so woefully ignorant about the modern state of the industry so let's hope either he learns fast or the rest of his team do.

 agnosto wrote:
Edit:
After posting this, I looked at the KS comments and the creator is quoting from Trollforged's site so this either confirms Trollforge or the creator's being dishonest.

 RiTides wrote:
As I posted earlier, they reached out to Trollforged... that is the extent of it, no more, no less. I also think the point is moot since this is unlikely to successfully fund...

After you reached out to Trollforge had said, there was an update from War Prime on that topic. He could just be saying that but it also does match up since currently Trollforged is busy but their schedule does clear up a bit towards the end of the year.

"Ed asked me NOT to mention their name. So I didn't. A little silly of him to think that the backers wouldn't figure it out, but I kept my word. Our release Date is 1 year from now. July 2015. That gives us more than enough time to get into the que and get our miniatures made." Then later it was stated "I have had a conversation with our planed manufacture. Based on the July 2015 Ship date he sees no issues with being able to get our miniatures made by that date."

 agnosto wrote:
Because people can't do what I did and spend 10seconds googling the people involved before investing? I do much mor than that before investing in stock and view backing a Kickstarter as a similar enterprise. I'm not going to just throw money at random people and hope for the best (I did that once....and learned a lesson). Yes, they could have postef the digital artist (who apparently lives in my hometown) but if they were an all there business I would hope they wouldn't use Kickstarter. Heck Mantic kickstarters are examples of how not to run a business and they still sell tons of cheap-quaity crap in their nearly quarterly Kickstarters. Would I lime to see someone do better? Yes but it's hardly the norm on Kickstarter.

See, I actually agree with you while disagreeing with you. The fact is that this is less than a "proper" financial investment. No-one really needs more plastic toys, while buying stock or assets, investing, etc are much more serious business. This means that while I'll accept the responsibility to research "proper" investments, I might or might not google some stuff about a miniatures project. If I really can't be bothered doing so, then I'm probably not going to back your kickstarter. It's incumbent on creators to be grown up and serious about their projects and do as much of that work for me as possible to get me interested enough in looking up more of their work. Because if I can't be bothered doing that for a bunch of plastic armymens, then I'm not going to give them my money.

I'm not going to back this project but it's not because the creator didn't take a picture of a prototype next to a GW mini or plaster other companies' products all over their page; those are the two things that the creator has done that I agree with from a business perspective.

I don't believe I saw that being requested in this thread (though it's possible I missed it). It's certainly possible that it was in the comments. Still, there are a great number of companies that have no objection to others using their products for this sort of thing. Mantic, Raging Heroes, Avatars or War, Perry, Warlord, et al. None of which excuses either of the half-arsed ruler shots (which are perfectly acceptable for creators who don't want to use a line-up).

Sure, you might not plaster RH's renders all over your page, which is totally fair enough. But if working with Raging Heroes is part of your artist's CV, then it's perfectly legit to name the project(s) and link to the project pages or the artist's own blog/online portfolio/etc with an "external site, images are from another project" disclaimer. Nothing dodgy about that in any way. There's certainly no need to secret squirrel that kind of information.

After posting this, I looked at the KS comments and the creator is quoting from Trollforged's site so this either confirms Trollforge or the creator's being dishonest.

Very interesting...

 Azazelx wrote:
Sure, you might not plaster RH's renders all over your page, which is totally fair enough. But if working with Raging Heroes is part of your artist's CV, then it's perfectly legit to name the project(s) and link to the project pages or the artist's own blog/online portfolio/etc with an "external site, images are from another project" disclaimer. Nothing dodgy about that in any way. There's certainly no need to secret squirrel that kind of information. .

Yeah, unless there is some sort of NDA in play, there should be no problem at all with mentioning other projects the sculptor has worked on.

 Azazelx wrote:


See, I actually agree with you while disagreeing with you. The fact is that this is less than a "proper" financial investment. No-one really needs more plastic toys, while buying stock or assets, investing, etc are much more serious business. This means that while I'll accept the responsibility to research "proper" investments, I might or might not google some stuff about a miniatures project. If I really can't be bothered doing so, then I'm probably not going to back your kickstarter. It's incumbent on creators to be grown up and serious about their projects and do as much of that work for me as possible to get me interested enough in looking up more of their work. Because if I can't be bothered doing that for a bunch of plastic armymens, then I'm not going to give them my money.

I'm a bit of a cheapskate even though I have a comfortable income; I don't even donate to charities until after I've done some research on them. My particular kind of OCD isn't always helpful at finding the best deal when I despise the people behind the scenes. I agree with you that they should make it easy to like/back them as possible but we're talking amateur hour here....

I don't believe I saw that being requested in this thread (though it's possible I missed it). It's certainly possible that it was in the comments. Still, there are a great number of companies that have no objection to others using their products for this sort of thing. Mantic, Raging Heroes, Avatars or War, Perry, Warlord, et al. None of which excuses either of the half-arsed ruler shots (which are perfectly acceptable for creators who don't want to use a line-up).

Sure, you might not plaster RH's renders all over your page, which is totally fair enough. But if working with Raging Heroes is part of your artist's CV, then it's perfectly legit to name the project(s) and link to the project pages or the artist's own blog/online portfolio/etc with an "external site, images are from another project" disclaimer. Nothing dodgy about that in any way. There's certainly no need to secret squirrel that kind of information.

I get what you're saying here but I also strongly believe that your product needs to survive or fail on its own merits (or lack thereof). The requests for shots next to GW were on the project forum or something; I had emailed the creator a couple of times and he came off as nice but mentioned repeated requests for comparison shots. I don't think this guy knows of the other companies; he seems laser focused on GW and to him, as someone mentioned earlier, they may be the end-all-be-all of the wargaming hobby. Eh, either way I'm not too fussed but I get where you and others are coming from.

I agree that they could have posted the artist's website with his information; if nothing else, it would give backers an idea of who they're dealing with and whether or not they're competent. Turns out this guy's legit and makes some good stuff. This all just rolls into the other amateurish nonsense that this projects slid into which is another strike against them and shows yet again that they don't really know what they're doing.

Very interesting...

I thought so as well which just solidified my decision even further to not back the project. Well, I did back it for a $1 just in case but they can have my buck I think.

 agnosto wrote:

I'm a bit of a cheapskate even though I have a comfortable income; I don't even donate to charities until after I've done some research on them. My particular kind of OCD isn't always helpful at finding the best deal when I despise the people behind the scenes. I agree with you that they should make it easy to like/back them as possible but we're talking amateur hour here....

I'm much the same, but I figure if someone wants my money, they should not only be as upfront as possible but also make it as easy as possible for me to find out who they are and who their talent is. Especially when they'd like my money a year upfront. It's not like it's hard for me to find somewhere else to spend my money, after all...

They need to pique my interest, not just hope I care enough about their random wargaming project that I'm going to Google the names of the creatives with only "been involved in other successful kickstarters" as an impetus.

I don't believe I saw that being requested in this thread (though it's possible I missed it). It's certainly possible that it was in the comments. Still, there are a great number of companies that have no objection to others using their products for this sort of thing. Mantic, Raging Heroes, Avatars or War, Perry, Warlord, et al. None of which excuses either of the half-arsed ruler shots (which are perfectly acceptable for creators who don't want to use a line-up).

Sure, you might not plaster RH's renders all over your page, which is totally fair enough. But if working with Raging Heroes is part of your artist's CV, then it's perfectly legit to name the project(s) and link to the project pages or the artist's own blog/online portfolio/etc with an "external site, images are from another project" disclaimer. Nothing dodgy about that in any way. There's certainly no need to secret squirrel that kind of information.

I get what you're saying here but I also strongly believe that your product needs to survive or fail on its own merits (or lack thereof). The requests for shots next to GW were on the project forum or something; I had emailed the creator a couple of times and he came off as nice but mentioned repeated requests for comparison shots. I don't think this guy knows of the other companies; he seems laser focused on GW and to him, as someone mentioned earlier, they may be the end-all-be-all of the wargaming hobby. Eh, either way I'm not too fussed but I get where you and others are coming from.

I agree that they could have posted the artist's website with his information; if nothing else, it would give backers an idea of who they're dealing with and whether or not they're competent. Turns out this guy's legit and makes some good stuff. This all just rolls into the other amateurish nonsense that this projects slid into which is another strike against them and shows yet again that they don't really know what they're doing.

Regardless of KS weirdness, seems that they're letting 40k dictate too much of their decisions, both as a clone and as a competitor.

Not a good way to go, especially since Mantic has already done the clone element.

Chasing the dominating games is a sucker's bet.

Well they just canceled it:

Loyal backers,

I have closed the War Prime Kickstarter. While I believe that we can reach our target goal and beyond, I feel that we would not give you the best product we can. It would not be in your best interest or ours. And I believe we can do better.

I have received many emails of both support and excitement for the project and concern for its success. Its easy to look at disheartening comments in the forums as disparaging or non-supportive. But most of the negative feedback stems from a genuine interest in seeing our success. And real concern that even if we succeed in gaining our funding, we will fail.

After struggling with the decision I feel I made the right choice.

I am confident that by stopping the campaign now. We give ourselves a chance to make some changes for the better. We will take the next few months to address the issues that have been raised and come back stronger and better for the delay.

This is an opportunity for improvement!

I believe in my original goal. Great miniatures for great prices. I believe in the game we are building. Fast simple rules with lots of new ideas. I believe in the universe I am creating. Full of exciting worlds, exotic alien races, great conflicts, larger than life heroes, and a universe full of change.

We are going to take a step back. And return stronger and better for taking a risk. I thank you for the support you showed us and ask that you give us a second chance when we return.

Thank you,

--Eric

Its for the best. I dont even think this needs to be dissected as to why it was canceled as it seems everyone has already pointed it out on this thread. Maybe they can correct there mindset and come back again. Who knows.

Good to see that they took the criticism in the spirit with which it was intended.

Here's hoping they can come back with a more solid plan.

Well that was unexpected... i thought that they would at least pull through to funding, what with how much money he claimed to have already put into the project and saying that he had no more time...

Overall i feel that this was treated like a video game kickstarter on their part, where people promise the world with a few lines of text and some concept art just to make a buck (lookin' at you bear simulator).

If the creator is serious about coming back to this project as a miniature wargame i hope he understands what the real problems with the project are (generic universe, boring rules, bad attitude, etc.) instead of focusing on the myriad of other smaller problems that arised (no size, no rules, little clarity on materials, etc.), because even if those smaller problems are solved the project will remain a generic sci-fi game.

 insaniak wrote:
Good to see that they took the criticism in the spirit with which it was intended.

Here's hoping they can come back with a more solid plan.

Agreed. Wishing the best for them, and I think by canceling earlier they avoid (more) excessive drama and can get some things worked out before trying again.

They have to figure out how to NOT 3D print those... I have a 3D printed and it leaves lines in the models (Making paint job looking lumpy)


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Other than that, Looks AWESOME!!!

I think it's for the best. They can get all of their ducks in a row and try again. The concepts for some of it look great but they just weren't ready.

It is much better to cancel or should we say suspend the project now and they can restart it when they have got more of the necessary preparation work done.

Ok so after reading around 10 pages I think this is my opinion on the whole matter:

Honestly I'm a little disheartened, mainly because I love the concepts of all the races and I liked the idea of having another cheap game under ,my belt, I loved the idea of the robot races more importantly..

However I do think this one game was focussed on GW a bit to much, I know he was not mentioning GW in his blog and all but I think he could have spent his time better elsewhere on his project, and I put the word "his" in italic as I felt he was focussing to much on the gimmick of "we are cheaper than GW" way too much, when he could have been using that time on talking to his backers, maybe expanding his knowledge of his universe to us, his audience, he could have shown us some renders of more of his units from all races, rather than talking about other games..

I wanted to know more about the game "WarPrime" not about being cheaper than "Warhammer 40k"..

I really do hope the designer does come back and I do hope he puts another kickstarter back on, as I really liked the models (to much of everyone else's surprise), but the things I would advice on for the next WarPrime kickstarter is to really do the following:

-Communication and honesty: Please be clear to your audience, afterall you are using their money to fund your game, this does mean that people will not wanting to be taken for a ride around the red light district so to say..

-Focus on your own game: As I have said earlier I wanted to know more about WarPrime not about other games, I wanted to see more concept's and renders for all your races, not telling me about something I don't already know..

-Attitude: Fair enough I do agree that certain posters could be seen as snarky and that can wind anyone up, but you are representing your game and your company, therefore you should have had more of a neutral tone to your responses, if you wanted to use a more intimate vocabulary then make a separate blog, and a separate account on Dakka to talk on a personal level, leave the WarPrime account for news and updates, that's all we needed to know..

-Control: I do feel as when reading up on everything that there was little control over materials need to be gained, and therefore everything seemed too secretive and unstable, I know whilst it is hard to keep everything under control, I do feel as if cracks started to appear on launch day so to speak..

Like I say I'm not being negative for the sake of it, as I really did want WarPrime to be a success, as I really liked the concepts so I really do hope you come back and you start the ball off again with a bang


Also on an unrelated note, I've sat through around 12 pages catching up... Snarky comments are just quite plainly not appreciated and just wasted that time.

Its is fine that you have your opinion, as I like seeing everyone's opinion, however please just state the problems that you have without the snarky tone, and more neutral (as I do most of the time ) as it just grates over and becomes very irritable, please don't be that guy who is a catholic priest with the nickname "the most sarcastic priest in the church" from the television programme Father Ted, cheers.

 happygolucky wrote:


Also on an unrelated note, I've sat through around 12 pages catching up... Snarky comments are just quite plainly not appreciated and just wasted that time.

Its is fine that you have your opinion, as I like seeing everyone's opinion, however please just state the problems that you have without the snarky tone, and more neutral (as I do most of the time ) as it just grates over and becomes very irritable, please don't be that guy who is a catholic priest with the nickname "the most sarcastic priest in the church" from the television programme Father Ted, cheers.

Snark and sarcasm are basically the two official languages of the internet. Nothing you can can do about it, aside from learning to not let it bother you.

~Tim?

It's worth trying to have a conversation without it, though. I had an influential English teacher whose favorite quote (not of their own making, of course) was: "Sarcasm is the protest of the weak."

It comes to mind every time I'm tempted to be sarcastic. Like I said, she was quite influential but it certainly does the trick to keep me from using sarcasm unnecessarily.

 MordorMiniatures wrote:
They have to figure out how to NOT 3D print those... I have a 3D printed and it leaves lines in the models (Making paint job looking lumpy)

Industrial 3d printers are slightly better quality than whatever you might have sitting on your desk.


However, removing those lines is simply a part of the process of turning a 3D sculpt into a production miniature. These guys aren't the first company to use 3D sculpting for miniatures.

 RiTides wrote:
It's worth trying to have a conversation without it, though. I had an influential English teacher whose favorite quote (not of their own making, of course) was: "Sarcasm is the protest of the weak."

It comes to mind every time I'm tempted to be sarcastic. Like I said, she was quite influential but it certainly does the trick to keep me from using sarcasm unnecessarily.

She must have loved Shakespeare

Maybe he'll go away and get the Starcraft license and some people who know what they are doing. I'd love to get some Terran Marines or even Zerg. Then the GW/Blizzard argument could reach new highs of nerd rage.

 Medium of Death wrote:
Maybe he'll go away and get the Starcraft license and some people who know what they are doing. I'd love to get some Terran Marines or even Zerg. Then the GW/Blizzard argument could reach new highs of nerd rage.

Starcraft tabletop? I'm intrigued!