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 insaniak wrote:

 MordorMiniatures wrote:
They have to figure out how to NOT 3D print those... I have a 3D printed and it leaves lines in the models (Making paint job looking lumpy)

Industrial 3d printers are slightly better quality than whatever you might have sitting on your desk.


However, removing those lines is simply a part of the process of turning a 3D sculpt into a production miniature. These guys aren't the first company to use 3D sculpting for miniatures.

^^^ This, for a example look at CB Infinity models.

 Artemis Black wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
It's worth trying to have a conversation without it, though. I had an influential English teacher whose favorite quote (not of their own making, of course) was: "Sarcasm is the protest of the weak."

It comes to mind every time I'm tempted to be sarcastic. Like I said, she was quite influential but it certainly does the trick to keep me from using sarcasm unnecessarily.

She must have loved Shakespeare

Yeah, I always thought that saying, and its many variations, was kind of...weak.

As for War Prime - I look forward to what they look like once they had time to take in the constructive criticism they received.

 RiTides wrote:
It's worth trying to have a conversation without it, though. I had an influential English teacher whose favorite quote (not of their own making, of course) was: "Sarcasm is the protest of the weak."

Only what's here is more sardonism than sarcasm. And maybe satire. Did she ever impress upon you the power of satire? ( to the Arkell vs. Pressdram ref, BTW) Personally, I think Eric's last 'passionate plea' here deserved at least a bit of snark. His 'once more unto the breach dear friends' speech might've been a little more effective if the nearest soldiers weren't little plastic toy ones.

Oh wait, sorry, restic toy ones. Or were they trollcast ones...?

(Hello, by the way. Yes, I was serious about finding the 'Warprime' name somewhat suspicious right off. I'm not altogether a bad guy - sometimes - and don't always resort to snark right off; but I like to call a spade a spade, point out what I don't like, and have little time for pussyfooting and 'if you can't say anything nice say nothing' attitudes when things are badly wrong.)

As much as I like you guys, you're not Shakespeare . Well done satire is certainly another matter! Just love the quote, and was responding to someone else, didn't mean to offend anyone, etc! I just think you can make a stronger case in some ways without snark (or at least... maybe a little less ).

Noir wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 MordorMiniatures wrote:
They have to figure out how to NOT 3D print those... I have a 3D printed and it leaves lines in the models (Making paint job looking lumpy)

Industrial 3d printers are slightly better quality than whatever you might have sitting on your desk.


However, removing those lines is simply a part of the process of turning a 3D sculpt into a production miniature. These guys aren't the first company to use 3D sculpting for miniatures.

^^^ This, for a example look at CB Infinity models.

Agreed, Raging Heroes also primarily (or maybe only) 3d prints masters, and gets stunning results!

Promise, stunning result, dear friend.

I kinda wish it had gone through.

I'd be okay with a not-marines set of figures for Arbites or something.

 RiTides wrote:
As much as I like you guys, you're not Shakespeare . Well done satire is certainly another matter! Just love the quote, and was responding to someone else, didn't mean to offend anyone, etc! I just think you can make a stronger case in some ways without snark (or at least... maybe a little less ).

Noir wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 MordorMiniatures wrote:
They have to figure out how to NOT 3D print those... I have a 3D printed and it leaves lines in the models (Making paint job looking lumpy)

Industrial 3d printers are slightly better quality than whatever you might have sitting on your desk.
However, removing those lines is simply a part of the process of turning a 3D sculpt into a production miniature. These guys aren't the first company to use 3D sculpting for miniatures.

^^^ This, for a example look at CB Infinity models.

Agreed, Raging Heroes also primarily (or maybe only) 3d prints masters, and gets stunning results!

They had been selling to people for quite a while however, you knew what the quality was. They may atm be overwhelmed by the workload and not managing the pledges as they should, but this is a bad comparison imo. You are trying to balance one company which would like to become a producer with another that is a producer. I find it much easier to place my money on someone who already sells stuff to people (therefore has an established network and figured things out) than another that wants to become a producer and hasn't sold anything to anyone.

I understand this is also what a KS could also be about, helping someone start his business (look at Drakerys recently, they could have never managed this without our support), but people have become more weary and that is a good thing. When known and established producers meet problems in their campaigns and taking irreparable hits to their reputation (Mantic destroying quality, Gates of Antares making history, AoW creating a new definition of "running late", Defiance starting a new era etc) what makes you think unknown people who (as Artemis Black correctly points out) obviously do not know the business are going to succeed?

All this is good imo since both producers and consumers become more responsible. I back all these projects that I see homework done (since I want someone responsible and hard-working taking on the project I've pre-paid for) and avoid all those who have already proved they do not respect the money I'm giving them.
Tbh I can only see this as good for everyone.

Just to be clear, I completely agree with your post! I was only referring to 3d printing as a viable (or not) method for making masters in general, based on the quotes I was responding to.

 RiTides wrote:
Just to be clear, I completely agree with your post! I was only referring to 3d printing as a viable (or not) method for making masters in general, based on the quotes I was responding to.

*Offering an ice-cold beer*

KS projects are going to be changing in the next couple of years I think...

 RiTides wrote:
As much as I like you guys, you're not Shakespeare . Well done satire is certainly another matter! Just love the quote, and was responding to someone else, didn't mean to offend anyone, etc! I just think you can make a stronger case in some ways without snark (or at least... maybe a little less ).

Moral of the story is pretty much don't read a thirteen page thread all at once and then bitch at others not posting in the manner that you would have preferred. Especially if you haven't, you know, participated in those thirteen pages but just want to bitch that it made your reading less enjoyable. When you run your own forums, you can tell participants of the manner in which they may post.

Not you, RT, I know - but that poster who triggered this particular tangent. By the way, I know of more than one English teacher who uses sarcasm in entertaining and clever ways. Bluntly put, your teacher was wrong, with a weak argument. Sarcasm is an important part of English wordplay, and I'll easily wager - equally important in other languages..

 agnosto wrote:

 Medium of Death wrote:
Maybe he'll go away and get the Starcraft license and some people who know what they are doing. I'd love to get some Terran Marines or even Zerg. Then the GW/Blizzard argument could reach new highs of nerd rage.

Starcraft tabletop? I'm intrigued!

+1

I don`t get why all these new space marine producers always go for the GW look. Terran Marines are awesome, and I am not aware of anyone else making anything that looks like them. That is exploiting a niche. Trying to build cheaper GW space marines is just stupid. There are many non-SM options of there, it is really cheap to get loads of real GW space marines if you really want some, and very many people already own way to many.

I thought that the basic guys did look more terran marine than GW marine except for the heads.

Awww, kinda sad to see this shut down already -- I like the sculpts and the idea. Hope it comes back new and improved.

Closing it down now is a good opportunity to learn some lessons, change some things, improve "local knowledge" of the tabletop and miniatures game industry, and come back to do it well.

A new name would probably be a good place to start.

 agnosto wrote:
I thought that the basic guys did look more terran marine than GW marine except for the heads.

Totally. That's why I'm hoping they go away and do their research and come back with the StarCraft license. I'd imagine that kickstarter would rake in cash.

Blizzard/Activision would not part with the license. At this point it's not a matter of money, it's already locked up elsewhere or would not be a big enough venture.

And even if it was on the table, they wouldn't part with the license to anyone that would have to make a kickstarter to get it produced. Instead, it'd be something more like X-Wing, a prepainted game from a now very large company that would be able to invest a great deal for a global release.

It will not happen with a startup.

Hubba Hubba

Fox, Prodos & the AvP license.

Obviously Starcraft is very big but I don't see it as completely outwith the realms of possibility. Perhaps not so much for the WarPrime guys.

Looks like this is back on - the Prefundia page looks to have learnt a lot of lessons from the first run at the Kickstarter.

http://prefundia.com/projects/view/scifi-tabletop-miniatures-game/1854/

Looks much better. I'm pretty sure that people will still bug them for scale shots next to GW products even though they specifically tell you the height to eye level.

That does look better (although I've never heard of Prefundia).

So is War Prime back onto the market?

Awesome

Looks like they've taken a lot from the last campaign attempt, so I hope this one goes through.

What is Trollcast like to work with? Can you use normal plastic glue on it, or does it still require superglue a la restic?

I *think* prefundia is a place to gather your supporters before you go live on KS etc so that you get a good day 1 'hit'

It's really easy to work with in terms of sanding, filing, cutting or scraping

but you will need superglue to stick it together and may find an occasional bubble hole that needs a bit of liquid greenstuff to fill in

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
It's really easy to work with in terms of sanding, filing, cutting or scraping

but you will need superglue to stick it together and may find an occasional bubble hole that needs a bit of liquid greenstuff to fill in

So, just like Finecast.

UltraPrime wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
It's really easy to work with in terms of sanding, filing, cutting or scraping

but you will need superglue to stick it together and may find an occasional bubble hole that needs a bit of liquid greenstuff to fill in

So, just like Finecast.

Or normal resin.

 agnosto wrote:
Looks much better. I'm pretty sure that people will still bug them for scale shots next to GW products even though they specifically tell you the height to eye level.

Yes, because since every human being on the planet interprets and processes information in exactly the same way, nobody could ever have a valid reason for asking to be shown rather than told. That's why it's been proven that the best way to teach children is to treat them like interchangeable nonentities and subject them to rote-learning at a uniform and unchanging pace

Seriously though, asking a company that wants people to give them a hefty chunk of cash essentially on faith to spend five minutes putting a handful of models in a row next to a ruler and snapping a quick picture is hardly monstrously unreasonable.

Looks to me like 5 factions are planned
3 we know, Humans/Amarant/Kelk, then something mechanical and something monster like