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 agnosto wrote:
And I think someone pointed this out to me before so I'll apologize but I don't see a difference. Resin plus plastic is mixed and forced into a mold. I'm an ignorant consumer and when you describe a product that sounds eerily familiar to the material Mantic uses for their crap product, I now take my money elsewhere.

For the record companies have their own recipes and mixes. They can all sound similar and familiar but they have different properties. Some have better viscosity and bonding suited for spin casting, while others work better for injection molding. It isn't like there is one mix, one recipe that everyone uses. Even with resin there are different types of resin with different applications and properties.

One way to look at is to take chocolate chip cookies as an example. Not all chocolate chip cookies in the cookie isle taste the same. They have similar ingredients and some even have the exact same ingredients but that doesn't make them the same. The process that they use to create them is dependent on the quality and results.

Just because you have an experience with 'one company' using what sounds like a similar product or material, shouldn't make you assume another company is the same material or quality. There are plenty of examples to be able to look at though that can be used for comparison for every company. Now if it was the same experience, with the same company using the same materials then that would be a different story.

Resin = poly urethane
Restic/PVC = Poly Vinyl Chloride

Troll cast = a mix of poly styrene and poly urethane.

Thanks for the information. So you're both saying that trollcast is a fine material and whatever bugs that were mentioned earlier have been worked out (bubbles, miscasts, etc)? I must say that I'm leery about anything except hard plastic after my experience with Mantic (though they proved that they could mess even that up with the men at arms).

Would you say that the company that produces trollcast has improved their quality controls since the issues mentioned earliet?

 agnosto wrote:
Thanks for the information. So you're both saying that trollcast is a fine material and whatever bugs that were mentioned earlier have been worked out (bubbles, miscasts, etc)? I must say that I'm leery about anything except hard plastic after my experience with Mantic (though they proved that they could mess even that up with the men at arms).

Would you say that the company that produces trollcast has improved their quality controls since the issues mentioned earliet?

I will say like anything mistakes can happen but I honestly haven't had any issues. I haven't bought from a company that I've gotten everything 100% perfect. It doesn't matter if it is resin or hard plastic, you will have some that sometimes have bubbles or issues. But I have always been happy with Trollcast products.

Don't just take my word for it though, you can do some searching on google on various forums to find people talking about it. It isn't too hard to find examples, reviews of trollcast material out there. You can also look at Troll Forged , Assimilation Aliens and Red Box Games.

Honestly if War Prime uses Trollforge I would be more likely to back, then if they use some unknown which was one of the reasons I pulled out because they weren't specific or knowledgeable enough to convince me they had the full plan. I've had some dealings with Ed and he is a pretty stand up guy.

No, I'm saying to not call a chicken a turkey.

Both fly, and are delicious, but that doesn't make them the same.

Even poly sytrene ('hard plastic') can have mold lines and bad casts.

 Cyporiean wrote:
No, I'm saying to not call a chicken a turkey.

Did you coin the term "restic"? If not, I don't think it's your place to declare that its use as a general term for non-metal, non-HIPS/ABS, non urethane resin materials is incorrect. If you want a term for PVC specifically, we've already got one: PVC.

 Dark Severance wrote:

 agnosto wrote:
Thanks for the information. So you're both saying that trollcast is a fine material and whatever bugs that were mentioned earlier have been worked out (bubbles, miscasts, etc)? I must say that I'm leery about anything except hard plastic after my experience with Mantic (though they proved that they could mess even that up with the men at arms).

Would you say that the company that produces trollcast has improved their quality controls since the issues mentioned earliet?

I will say like anything mistakes can happen but I honestly haven't had any issues. I haven't bought from a company that I've gotten everything 100% perfect. It doesn't matter if it is resin or hard plastic, you will have some that sometimes have bubbles or issues. But I have always been happy with Trollcast products.

Don't just take my word for it though, you can do some searching on google on various forums to find people talking about it. It isn't too hard to find examples, reviews of trollcast material out there. You can also look at Troll Forged , Assimilation Aliens and Red Box Games.

Honestly if War Prime uses Trollforge I would be more likely to back, then if they use some unknown which was one of the reasons I pulled out because they weren't specific or knowledgeable enough to convince me they had the full plan. I've had some dealings with Ed and he is a pretty stand up guy.

Thanks for the info. I suppose that I'll perform due diligence prior to backing this one.

Looks like Ed has some initial 3d sculpts to turn into figures for this, found these shots at his Facebook page.




If they are Infinity Miniatures scale, I will have to grab a few. Love the heads on them.

Reminds me a bit of Killzone heads

So not even remotely 28mm, then?

Unless whoever owns that hand has very slender fingers...

Are those WarPrime figures?

I thought WarPrime was going more for the StarCraft look. Those give off more of a Killzone vibe, like was previously mentioned.

Not bad though, not bad looking at all.

Hmm. Not bad looking. I might be tempted to back them. Maybe. I dunno.

What scale is that? 18-20mm? Maybe 22mm?
I don't understand, they said they want to make cheaper minis for 40K, why on eatrh have they downscaled their minis that much?

As for the heads, Killzone is quite right!

insaniak wrote:So not even remotely 28mm, then?

Unless whoever owns that hand has very slender fingers...

Sirio wrote:What scale is that? 18-20mm? Maybe 22mm?
I don't understand, they said they want to make cheaper minis for 40K, why on eatrh have they downscaled their minis that much?

As for the heads, Killzone is quite right!

They need a picture.

With a ruler in it.

Sirio wrote:
What scale is that? 18-20mm? Maybe 22mm?
I don't understand, they said they want to make cheaper minis for 40K, why on eatrh have they downscaled their minis that much?

Uh... what?

Unless that hand belongs to a child, those guys are at least 40mm tall.

It's ok guys, I got this:

 insaniak wrote:
Uh... what?

Unless that hand belongs to a child, those guys are at least 40mm tall.

You are incorrect.

I just got one of my 28mm Amazons out and put it on my hand. Like in this photo, it was approximately two finger-widths tall.

Time for Hands and Model photo galleries! Everyone get in on it!



Edit: Geez, those photos are big, but it looks to me that unless those hands are small the standing ones are a little under 40mm at the top of their heads.

 AlexHolker wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
Uh... what?

Unless that hand belongs to a child, those guys are at least 40mm tall.

You are incorrect.

I just got one of my 28mm Amazons out and put it on my hand. Like in this photo, it was approximately two finger-widths tall.

Just tried it with a fire warrior. Was just about under two finger widths in height.

So these should still be roughly 28mm.

My hand with a ruler to show its mighty girth. Fingers are as you can see about 40mm across the two proximal phalanges.



Same hand with a sprue of snapfit SMs for size comparison.

@insaniak You are right, what I should've written was 38-40mm and not 18-20,22mm!

@Kilkrazy tahnks for posting these! So you would say these Warprime figs are about 6mm larger than the current 40K? Or are they not doing 40K clones anymore? Another memorable measuring moment for the warprime folk, lol, this time it's about measuring finger width... (I think these guys trying to launch this KS either do this intentionally or haven't got a clue what they oughtta be doing)

The WarPrime figures shown off above also seem to have something really odd going on with their hips/torso ratio and stance.

 Azazelx wrote:
The WarPrime figures shown off above also seem to have something really odd going on with their hips/torso ratio and stance.

Yep. The one on the right is particularly awful in that regard. Better than the first ones we saw though, which admittedly isn't saying much.

If I was in the market for these (and I'm not really), I'd be a bit disappointed at the square hole joint for the arms - it means that there's no variation available in the pose of each mini - unless the arms have been really well designed to work with each torso in which case the variation would still be limited.

They don't look *bad* figures, but they look a bit of a backwards step in terms of design, towards those old GW 'snap fit' marines - multipart just for ease of casting, not for poseability.

One of the problems here is that WarPrime guy isn't really a miniatures guy - and it's showing. Same issue that other upcoming kickstarter has that showed off their videogame render to get us excited about their miniature.

Of course, none of that really explains away the proportions, odd stances or giant WWI knapsack packs over the crotches on those prototype figures above.

Other than the bizarre long torso/short legs thing, I think the only other thing that really bothers me is the "Darth Vader wearing a baseball cap" look to the helmets.

Sirio wrote:
@insaniak You are right, what I should've written was 38-40mm and not 18-20,22mm!

@Kilkrazy tahnks for posting these! So you would say these Warprime figs are about 6mm larger than the current 40K? Or are they not doing 40K clones anymore? Another memorable measuring moment for the warprime folk, lol, this time it's about measuring finger width... (I think these guys trying to launch this KS either do this intentionally or haven't got a clue what they oughtta be doing)

The SMs are 29mm from the eye hole to bottom of the foot -- the traditional measurement of a wargame figure. Of course they are in funky dance fight poses and if standing to attention would be a few mm taller. SMs are supposed to be tall, of course, and often reach eight feet or more in the fullness of time.

I get a feeling that my fingers are a bit fatter than the Warprime guys, and I think his figures are probably pretty near 28mm scale.

Well I hope they are close enough to Infinity scale...

*sigh* Is it too much to ask someone to do heads or full miniatures like these?




Or in that kind of vein. No WWII German styled helmets please, there are tons of ones like that already, more modern helmet style like the first picture...

Maybe they had the masters made bigger to compensate for shrinkage? Still doesn't explain the torso length, but it might be possible that's all there is to it.

And for the square peg... there's a hobby knife for that. If it's a skirmish game, they might not need that much variety anyway.

Those dudes have really short legs.