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Buy Tickets here: http://www.frontlinegaming.org/product-category/bay-area-open-2014/

40K Championships Format: http://www.frontlinegaming.org/community/bao-tournament-format/
40K Friendly Format: http://www.frontlinegaming.org/community/bay-area-open-warhammer-40000-friendly-event/

Bay Area Open

When?
July 26th and 27th

Where?
88 S 4th St
San Jose, CA 95112
https://www.google.com/maps/place/88+S+4th+St/@37.3364664,-121.8862606,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x808fccbc14a4f8cf:0x33bb873b1611f107

5 Miles from San Jose Airport

Hotel Accommodations

Closest Single bed:
The only hotel close (.4 miles away) that has rooms for under $150 is the Four Points San Jose for $119 for a single king bed (no double beds available)
http://www.fourpointssanjosedowntown.com/

Closest/Cheapest Double Bed:
Hotel Elan 2.1 Miles away $85
http://www.hotelelansanjose.com/

Missions: http://www.frontlinegaming.org/2014/06/18/bao-warhammer-40k-competitive-event-missions/

Will you accept people camping outside the store for tickets
But I look forward to seeing how you guys handle 7th edition. LVO was the first major after Formations. LOW and Stronghold, and now you guys are first for 7th

Yeah, aren't we lucky?!?!

But I will hold you a ticket, buddy, no worries.

Im not worried. Im just excited. This will sadly be my last tournament for atleast a bit. Probaly till the net BAO, stupid school.

I'm definitely looking forward to seeing what you guys decide to go with. For one, our local group tends to use the Frontline rules as a basis for our own events. For another, I have a budget to plan out and need to finish designing an army list I can finish converting and painting in time! The specific FOC modifications that you use will weigh heavily on what I end up needing to work on.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Will you accept people camping outside the store for tickets
But I look forward to seeing how you guys handle 7th edition. LVO was the first major after Formations. LOW and Stronghold, and now you guys are first for 7th

That would be Texas Games Con being the first major 7th edition tournament at the end of June,.



I do not think that having a poll is the best way to sort out the issues that 7th edition has with tournaments.

It is only a week and a half and most people are afraid of what is out there without seeing it in action.

For an example if I am playing Tau I would love a cap on psychic powers. I want to limit the other armies ability to get things like ignore cover, and twin linking when all I have to do is take wargear tjhat can't be stopped.

If I was playing Eldar I want a ban on invisibility. I have fortune that does the same thing, so why have other armies that can stop my deathstars?

If I am not playing Demons, I want a cap on summoning. That way they have another nerf to keep the one to their FMC company.

What are the questions in the poll ?

 Dozer Blades wrote:
What are the questions in the poll ?

You can find most of them here:

http://daemons40k.blogspot.com/2014/06/my-responses-to-bao-poll.html

His responses in there are hilariously biased. He doesn't want LOW because he can't deal well with them, while in the same breath defends summoning/psychic phase which most oppose for that exact same reason.

Hopefully they post the overall results. Kind of crappy that they poll previous attendees and don't have a public poll. Doesn't attract new players when they have no say.

I think it is a good poll .

 Red Corsair wrote:

Kind of crappy that they poll previous attendees and don't have a public poll. Doesn't attract new players when they have no say.

You are incorrect. I received a poll and I've never attended a BAO event. It's certainly public. Most likely, to their customers.

Nah, it's not customers, as I've bought a mat, my rule books (6th and 7th) and a few odds and ends from them before. I'd bet it's past attendees and a 40k email group of some sort.


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@red corsair, I'm betting they want to get this formatted as quickly and as thoroughly as possible. The sooner we can get a bandage on tournament format, the sooner we'll stop bleeding away gamers.

From an organizer's point of view, announcing and populating the BAO in less than 2 months will largely draw return gamers, so it makes sense for the format to be oriented in part around previous attendees. Also, public internet type polls invite the opinion of people who are in a lot of ways the opposite of customers (i.e., there are a ton of people who post loud opinion in these major threads yet never attend any of the big events regardless of format). That said, even I was on the poll so I'm not sure it's just previous attendees as far as that concern goes.

Several big events are coming up; the first for 7th will be WGC and ATC. It's almost entertaining that Reece and I are pulling up the proverbial rear with 2 and 3 months respectively. Everyone's just trying to do their best to get their formats and restrictions and allowances set to run fun events.

MVBrandt wrote:
From an organizer's point of view, announcing and populating the BAO in less than 2 months will largely draw return gamers, so it makes sense for the format to be oriented in part around previous attendees. Also, public internet type polls invite the opinion of people who are in a lot of ways the opposite of customers (i.e., there are a ton of people who post loud opinion in these major threads yet never attend any of the big events regardless of format). That said, even I was on the poll so I'm not sure it's just previous attendees as far as that concern goes.

Several big events are coming up; the first for 7th will be WGC and ATC. It's almost entertaining that Reece and I are pulling up the proverbial rear with 2 and 3 months respectively. Everyone's just trying to do their best to get their formats and restrictions and allowances set to run fun events.

@Red Croasair

You want a public poll? Haha, no way, have you read the BoLS comments, hahaha? That is internet 40K, and a lot of those opinions do nothing but skew results.

We poll people that are going to come to the event. Anyone that hits me up and says they want to go, I shoot them an email.

And I don't want LoW because I can't deal with them? Lolz, bro, I practice against Frankie, the Greatest 40K Player in the Universe, and you think I can't handle LoW? You even 40K, bro?!?! And just because it sometimes gets missed, I am being sarcastic, here.

But yeah, my ability to deal with LoW has nothing to do with that, I wanted to give a fair warning to what people were saying they wanted in the game. You can interpret that how you want to, though, of course.

@Thread

Yeah, it went to our customers and former attendees. Trying to cast the net wide with people that actually interact with us and our events in some way.

@MVB

You said it, and thanks!

@Dozer

Thanks, dude.

Yep, i got one and responded. I think i've purchased from reece once but as someone interested maybe attending lvo next year ihd to vote

Glad you voted, buddy, vive le democracy!

@Reece I wasn't addressing you in my first paragraph. I was referring to the guys responses to your poll on his blog http://daemons40k.blogspot.com/2014/06/my-responses-to-bao-poll.html. I understand everyone will tilt their responses toward their own gain, so i thought it was ironic.

I actually think its a really objective poll, and I think you did a good job hitting the major concerns without making it too cluttered.

And I don't even bother reading anything on BoLS, so take that as you will.

I am on the fence whether or not to attend myself as I have real issues getting weekends off, I didn't realize you were sending the poll to interested parties or ticket purchases. Thats good to know!

Red Corsair from what i understand Reece hosts great events so if you can get the time off i suggest stepping on the side of going to the LVO regardless of the polling results.

Unfortunatly LVO is a west coast event and im on the east..

zedsdead wrote:
Red Corsair from what i understand Reece hosts great events so if you can get the time off i suggest stepping on the side of going to the LVO regardless of the polling results.

Unfortunatly LVO is a west coast event and im on the east..

Yea I live in central Maine hahaha

So if I go I really hope to have a blast, Your right though, I might wait for the LVO so I can get a break from the chill of winter, as I am hoping they run it in Feb again. I am still tempted to go to the BAO though, it's one heck of a journey though!

I didn't receive a poll and I've been drunk at both last year's BAO and the LVO in February!

Err. I *played* at both events. Yeah, that's it.

... where's the delete button?


That said, Reece, I'd be happy to give my two cents to help you with some player data. A PM here or my e-mail, which you should have from either event ... and a recent painting commission question.

As long as the TO is removing himself from the equation and focusing on what is best for the participants than it should be a good tournament. I believe that TOs are more concern about their tournaments being successful than putting their imprint on the 40k tournament scene.

If I was in a TOs situation I would make as few rule changes as possible but focus mainly on match ups. If certain things are truly to op eventually they will be matched up with another op list and, the faster the TO can bracket those list together the better.

There is a difference between auto win list and tier 1 list. You will never be able to control tier 1 list and any attempt to stop them will water down the experience and prestige of the tournament. The problem is that people that play tier 1 list beat the auto win list all the time while others cannot that is why bracketing is more important than rule changes.

@red corsair

Doh! Sorry dude, I misunderstood your post. I regret my snakry remark now! Haha

@zedsdead

Thanks for the vote of confidence, much appreciated.

@cko

You are 100% correct. We don't want to change anything, but feel it is needed at times. At the end of the day, we do what the attendees want. The event must be fiscally successful to remain viable. That overrides all other concerns in the final accounting.

@brothererekose

Sent!

Hmm, I buy from Frontline and didn't get a poll. Would love to make the LVO or BAO, but I'm in the Midwest...

Check you spam mail, or, PM me your email and I will resend it to you, no worries!

Can I get it? I need to skew the results to allow everything
But seriously, me no get it

@Reece- Don't sweat it man, I was lazy and didn't use quotes and looking back it was easy to misinterpret. I imagine you catch way to much idiotic flak so I understood where said snarkiness was coming from. Still seeing if I can get the time and make the arrangements as of now. Excited where the results come out either way!

Results are up!

http://www.frontlinegaming.org/2014/06/08/bao-40k-poll-results-are-in-the-people-have-spoken/

@Hotsauce

Sorry dude, I needed to get these up tonight before I left the shop.

@Red Corsair

We hope to see you there!

Wow....I doupt my vote would have counted. But I am sad to see that Malefic AND LOW are popular.
I mean. I will do santic to lower Invulnerables for deamons.....