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MVBrandt wrote:

 tyrannosaurus wrote:
Sounds like a really well run event, and glad it showed that superheavies weren't the end of 40k. More evidence I can point to to convince my friends to let me use mine!

However despite being very tempted that blog by Adam B is the reason I would never enter a competitive event. From my limited experience whoever argues more wins, and the player who doesn't want to create a fuss and doesn't play as if it's life and death invariably ends up on the losing side.

There's a big difference between saying "I have an Iron halo" and "I have a 3+ invulnerable save", and also between stating your character's weapon skill and telling your opponent what he needed to roll to hit. Why would the guy call over a TO, or even question, if he was trusting his opponent to know his own list and not give him misinformation?

For every one story like that, there are literally thousands (I do mean thousands) of awesome game stories and yet more thousands of individual memories of great times over sodas/brews/shots/handshakes/dice/etc. had by the many, many people who do attend these events locally, regionally, nationally, and internationally all year long.

You should give a shot at attending. You might as well not fly for fear of tales of fallen aircraft as not attend a tournament for fear of overly competitive moments.

Amen.

I had a great first day, but eat sometimes (probably a medium-rare burger at a Star Wars themed bar), and couldn't attend the second day due to food poisoning. Talk about bad luck.

As far as time goes, all of my games ended early (one of the reasons why I brought the Draigowing), but for my game #2 barely made it to turn #5.

All my games finished early or on time except game 6-that one we actually ha to split the last 20 minutes and play our last turn. It was all good, though, as the results would probably have been the same had the game gone to turn 6 or 7. Some very tense but good gaming moments in every game!

 tyrannosaurus wrote:
Sounds like a really well run event, and glad it showed that superheavies weren't the end of 40k. More evidence I can point to to convince my friends to let me use mine!

However despite being very tempted that blog by Adam B is the reason I would never enter a competitive event. From my limited experience whoever argues more wins, and the player who doesn't want to create a fuss and doesn't play as if it's life and death invariably ends up on the losing side.

There's a big difference between saying "I have an Iron halo" and "I have a 3+ invulnerable save", and also between stating your character's weapon skill and telling your opponent what he needed to roll to hit. Why would the guy call over a TO, or even question, if he was trusting his opponent to know his own list and not give him misinformation?

Well, I just hit up my first GT at the BAO. I lost every game and still had a blast. Meeting the people there was well worth the trip. I learned a ton about how to play my army better and hopefully made some lifelong contacts to BS with about 40k.

Reecius and crew did an excellent job. I can't wait to attend LVO !

 RiTides wrote:
Rough game, but hopefully the rest of the event was better for you. Sorry to hear about that experience... I've had similar but I think dwelling on it can overshadow / ruin the rest of a great event. In the future I guess you'll just have to double check the rolls needed in that critical situation.

Anyway, hopefully this does not burn you out, as MVBrandt said there are thousands of great experiences for every one like this.

Oh yeah, absolutely, I'll be the first person to endorse going to tournaments, even as a non ultra competitive player. This event was overall quite fun and I had 5 other games against some fantastic opponents, a couple of which I'm going to go play with again tonight even! Tournaments are generally a great place to socialize with a bunch of other people with a common interest. In my life, I've never had another experience that was nearly as bad as this one, so as MVBrandt said, one in a thousand. I'm still glad I wrote the article though, I'm surprised how many people have had similar experiences with the same person, so at least it makes me feel like I'm not just crazy.

Can't let it go can you ?

 Blackmoor wrote:
It was a great event and the frontline gaming guys did a great job.

#3. Collect a copy of everyone's army list. This will have 2 outcomes:
a) People will think they are being checked and it might keep some players honest.
b) In case there is an "issue" (like an illegal list or points), you will have a resource to check.

A buddy of mine was there, he did ok. One of the armies he played was way over on points though. He said his opponent was playing Necrons with Tau allies. I asked him to give me the copy of his opponents list but I haven't seen it. He said his opponent fielded the following:

2 Overlords with CCB

2 Ghost arks

2 ABs

1 Night scythe

1 Doom Scythe

1 Riptide

6 Broadsides

Assuming Minimum troops on all the transports, Semp weave, Phase shifters, Warscythes on the Lords, the cheapest tau commander, cheapest unit of Tau troops (unless this is a tau formation) this list comes in at over 2000 points.

If anyone knows otherwise on this, I don't doubt that there is the possibility my friend was wrong since I haven't seen the opponent list. Even at a quick look, this is way too many points. I would have assumed that someone would review all the lists in the tournament.

Nope, that could easily be 1850. Just barebones on everything. The Tau are a formation.

Warmonger2757 wrote:
A buddy of mine was there, he did ok. One of the armies he played was way over on points though. He said his opponent was playing Necrons with Tau allies. I asked him to give me the copy of his opponents list but I haven't seen it. He said his opponent fielded the following:

2 Overlords with CCB

2 Ghost arks

2 ABs

1 Night scythe

1 Doom Scythe

1 Riptide

6 Broadsides

Assuming Minimum troops on all the transports, Semp weave, Phase shifters, Warscythes on the Lords, the cheapest tau commander, cheapest unit of Tau troops (unless this is a tau formation) this list comes in at over 2000 points.

If anyone knows otherwise on this, I don't doubt that there is the possibility my friend was wrong since I haven't seen the opponent list. Even at a quick look, this is way too many points. I would have assumed that someone would review all the lists in the tournament.

Seems totally fine. The Tau will be part of the Firebase Cadre presumably, needing no troops or HQ. It's also entirely possible some of that wargear wasn't on the Overlords either.

 mortetvie wrote:
All my games finished early or on time except game 6-that one we actually ha to split the last 20 minutes and play our last turn. It was all good, though, as the results would probably have been the same had the game gone to turn 6 or 7. Some very tense but good gaming moments in every game!

Same exact case here....and I played you in game 6! Had a great time, and congrats on 3rd! I ended up placing 19th, which for my first tournament, I was pretty pleased with.

Eyjio wrote:

Warmonger2757 wrote:
A buddy of mine was there, he did ok. One of the armies he played was way over on points though. He said his opponent was playing Necrons with Tau allies. I asked him to give me the copy of his opponents list but I haven't seen it. He said his opponent fielded the following:

2 Overlords with CCB

2 Ghost arks

2 ABs

1 Night scythe

1 Doom Scythe

1 Riptide

6 Broadsides

Assuming Minimum troops on all the transports, Semp weave, Phase shifters, Warscythes on the Lords, the cheapest tau commander, cheapest unit of Tau troops (unless this is a tau formation) this list comes in at over 2000 points.

If anyone knows otherwise on this, I don't doubt that there is the possibility my friend was wrong since I haven't seen the opponent list. Even at a quick look, this is way too many points. I would have assumed that someone would review all the lists in the tournament.

Seems totally fine. The Tau will be part of the Firebase Cadre presumably, needing no troops or HQ. It's also entirely possible some of that wargear wasn't on the Overlords either.

Yeah this list seems like it is Kirby 's list. Here it is http://www.3plusplus.net/2014/07/3-on-the-go-to-bao/

NECRON COMBINED ARMS DETACHMENT
1 Necron Overlord Duat'Atum
-Warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs
-Command Barge
-Warlord
1 Necron Overlord Akanabekh
-Warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs
-Command Barge
5 Necron Warriors
-Ghost Ark
5 Necron Warriors
-Ghost Ark
5 Necron Warriors
-Night Scythe
1 Annihilation Barge
1 Annihilation Barge
1 Doom Scythe

TAU FIREBASE SUPPORT CADRE
1 XV-104 Riptide
-Ion Accelerator, Twin-Linked Smart Missile System, Early Warning Override
3 XV-88 Broadsides
-Twin-linked High-Yield Missile Pods, 1 Target Lock

3 XV-88 Broadsides
-Twin-linked High-Yield Missile Pods, 1 Target Lock

 extremefreak17 wrote:

 mortetvie wrote:
All my games finished early or on time except game 6-that one we actually ha to split the last 20 minutes and play our last turn. It was all good, though, as the results would probably have been the same had the game gone to turn 6 or 7. Some very tense but good gaming moments in every game!

Same exact case here....and I played you in game 6! Had a great time, and congrats on 3rd! I ended up placing 19th, which for my first tournament, I was pretty pleased with.

Yeah, you did great for your first event and it looked like whoever won our game was poised to take best Eldar/3rd. Our game was like a game of chess, eh? Sure made me think and I loved those tense moments you tried to Psychic Shriek my Wraith Knights; good thing you rolled slightly below average for those 3d6s =)!

Where does it say that Khan can give outflank to rhinos and troops of the sorts? I was looking at the SM codex and couldn't find it. Help please

Under Khans entry. He has to be your warlord as well.

Remedy4389 wrote:
Under Khans entry. He has to be your warlord as well.

Ok thank you

Thing to note, unlike the last codex he doesn't need moondrakken to grant scout. It is for bikes and any dedicated transport though so even elites and heavy support options.

Remedy4389 wrote:
Thing to note, unlike the last codex he doesn't need moondrakken to grant scout. It is for bikes and any dedicated transport though so even elites and heavy support options.

Right. Everything excluding terminators and centurions.

since it works on the termies and cents transports its not much of a restriction though.

Centurions and Terminators just don't gain Hit and Run. Their dedicated transports can still gain scout.

Remedy4389 wrote:
Centurions and Terminators just don't gain Hit and Run. Their dedicated transports can still gain scout.

Sweet

At the end of every tournament I have a hurt back, painful feet, sore throat and because of my car seats a hurt butt. but a day later i think "Damn, I wanna go back"

 Dozer Blades wrote:
Can't let it go can you ?

I'm sorry it's upsetting you.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
At the end of every tournament I have a hurt back, painful feet, sore throat and because of my car seats a hurt butt. but a day later i think "Damn, I wanna go back"

That's how you know you did it right!

It's annoying not upsetting.

 Dozer Blades wrote:
It's annoying not upsetting.

This is the attitude that encourages cheating and which prevents 40k from being taken seriously as a game, even by it's own players.

It's the manner in which it was handled. He should have brought this to the attention of the judges immediately. Waiting until the next day to vent is why people don't buy his story.

Edited by RiTides

 minionboy wrote:

 Dozer Blades wrote:
Can't let it go can you ?

I'm sorry it's upsetting you.

Here's the thing. If you realized this (the mis-information/cheating/honest mistake) the next day you had an obligation to go to the TO and let them know what took place. If your opponent was a bad sport you had an obligation to give him a thumbs down. From your blog post it doesn't appear that you did either of these things. If what you say is true then it really sucks for you. However, if what you say is not true then it really sucks for your opponent. Either way, not going to the TO and instead posting to your blog after the event just creates an environment of hate on the internet around events like the BAO, which was a well run, well executed event. The BAO was awesome this year and I want to thank Reece, Frankie and all of the volunteers and players for a great weekend of gaming.

Your choice for airing your grievances has cast a cloud on the event; one that could have been avoided if you had addressed the matter in a timely manner through the proper channels. Instead we're left with a pile of steaming poo in the middle of the room and people pointing fingers on both sides.

What a shame.


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 thunderingjove wrote:
I had a great first day, but eat sometimes (probably a medium-rare burger at a Star Wars themed bar), and couldn't attend the second day due to food poisoning. Talk about bad luck.

We got out of that place as quickly as we could, what a dive. Opted for some sushi downtown instead. Sorry to hear about your pains - just be glad you didn't come back as the one thing that wasn't up to par was the stock of TP in the bathroom on day 2 after about 11am.

 pizzaguardian wrote:

Eyjio wrote:

Warmonger2757 wrote:
A buddy of mine was there, he did ok. One of the armies he played was way over on points though. He said his opponent was playing Necrons with Tau allies. I asked him to give me the copy of his opponents list but I haven't seen it. He said his opponent fielded the following:

2 Overlords with CCB

2 Ghost arks

2 ABs

1 Night scythe

1 Doom Scythe

1 Riptide

6 Broadsides

Assuming Minimum troops on all the transports, Semp weave, Phase shifters, Warscythes on the Lords, the cheapest tau commander, cheapest unit of Tau troops (unless this is a tau formation) this list comes in at over 2000 points.

If anyone knows otherwise on this, I don't doubt that there is the possibility my friend was wrong since I haven't seen the opponent list. Even at a quick look, this is way too many points. I would have assumed that someone would review all the lists in the tournament.

Seems totally fine. The Tau will be part of the Firebase Cadre presumably, needing no troops or HQ. It's also entirely possible some of that wargear wasn't on the Overlords either.

Yeah this list seems like it is Kirby 's list. Here it is http://www.3plusplus.net/2014/07/3-on-the-go-to-bao/

NECRON COMBINED ARMS DETACHMENT
1 Necron Overlord Duat'Atum 195
-Warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs
-Command Barge
-Warlord
1 Necron Overlord Akanabekh 195
-Warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs
-Command Barge
5 Necron Warriors 180
-Ghost Ark
5 Necron Warriors 180
-Ghost Ark
5 Necron Warriors 165
-Night Scythe
1 Annihilation Barge 90
1 Annihilation Barge 90
1 Doom Scythe 175

TAU FIREBASE SUPPORT CADRE
1 XV-104 Riptide
-Ion Accelerator, Twin-Linked Smart Missile System, Early Warning Override 190pt
3 XV-88 Broadsides
-Twin-linked High-Yield Missile Pods, 1 Target Lock 210 pt

3 XV-88 Broadsides
-Twin-linked High-Yield Missile Pods, 1 Target Lock 210pt

Can someone check my numbers, this seems to come out to 1880 points. How many points is the tau formation? Is there a discount?

 punchdub wrote:

 thunderingjove wrote:
I had a great first day, but eat sometimes (probably a medium-rare burger at a Star Wars themed bar), and couldn't attend the second day due to food poisoning. Talk about bad luck.

We got out of that place as quickly as we could, what a dive. Opted for some sushi downtown instead. Sorry to hear about your pains - just be glad you didn't come back as the one thing that wasn't up to par was the stock of TP in the bathroom on day 2 after about 11am.

Ha! Actually, it was FP of the mouth, not of the butt; I could taste the burn of all the jalapenos on the burger (and nachos gaffled from my barmates).

What was weird was some dude tried to start a beef with me as I waited for the bartender (who was ignoring the guys drunkenness), and had to man up on him a little. Weird night. Sunday was worse.

 punchdub wrote:
Here's the thing. If you realized this (the mis-information/cheating/honest mistake) the next day you had an obligation to go to the TO and let them know what took place. If your opponent was a bad sport you had an obligation to give him a thumbs down. From your blog post it doesn't appear that you did either of these things. If what you say is true then it really sucks for you. However, if what you say is not true then it really sucks for your opponent. Either way, not going to the TO and instead posting to your blog after the event just creates an environment of hate on the internet around events like the BAO, which was a well run, well executed event. The BAO was awesome this year and I want to thank Reece, Frankie and all of the volunteers and players for a great weekend of gaming.

Your choice for airing your grievances has cast a cloud on the event; one that could have been avoided if you had addressed the matter in a timely manner through the proper channels. Instead we're left with a pile of steaming poo in the middle of the room and people pointing fingers on both sides.

What a shame.

Well, I was really hoping I was done here, you're also more than welcome to comment on my blog so that I'm not filling up Dakka threads with this.

It takes a lot for me to give someone a thumbs down (I've literally never done it before), I mentioned it in passing the next morning to one of the staff and they said that since the game was already long done and over, they couldn't really do anything. Reece is a friend of mine, and the last thing I'd want to do is tarnish his name or reputation, it wasn't his fault, or the staff, and I didn't really see the point in pressing the issue any further with them, I also didn't figure he'd go on to win it. I posted on MY blog after feeling frustrated, it was a crappy situation that I've never been in before and wasn't exactly sure what I should have done, thinking that by posting about it, i'd get my usual couple hundred (not 1500+) views and maybe get some sagely words of wisdom. If by the time you find out someone played something fairly dramatically wrong, it's too late, what recourse do you have? If you're upset that I express my opinions on my blog, I suggest you don't read my blog, it's pretty simple.

The funny thing is that the only person who said I was unpleasant to play against is someone I never saw or even met, at this event or any, and plays in the same club as the guy who was a total jerk to me. It seems that everyone else who has experienced the joy of playing him had an equally miserable time, and all my opponents seemed to enjoy the games they had with me, so I'm not really concerned about it.

As MVBrandt said though, there is one bad game for every thousand good game and my number was up. The rest of the event was fun, and with the new edition encouraging more diversity in army lists, I can even say it was probably one of my most enjoyable 40k tournaments, despite the cloud over my 3rd game.