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Leaping Khawarij






Now I am going to head off this question before it comes up, I know that someone is going to point out that I should just run the Libby and Mordrak together but I have ran a list with Mordrak and Inquisitor for awhile now because of fluff reasons. In a tournament, believe me, I will be running the Mordrak with Ghost Knights and Libby Alpha Strike but this is more for my casual fluff list that I bring to casual pick up games and fluff campaigns.

I do run a shunt list for the most part with only enough troops to fulfill the troop requirement, the rest I fill out with a traditional shut list of teleporting DK and Interceptors with the GKSS DS and Mordrak Alpha Striking. If I am running a pure GK list, the Inquisitor runs with Mordrak and crew, if I am taking my Imperial Fist allies, I take Coteaz and he sits back with the Centurions and the Imperial Fist Librarian to help support the Centurions. Now this question mostly arises for my GK list with Imperial Fist allies, I have been thinking of taking out Mordrak completely and replacing him with a GK Librarian ML 3 and a group of GK Terminators using either Sanctic or Telepathy to help support the Terminators survival-ability.

This came about because in a recent game I was lucky enough to get Invisibility with my Ordo Malleus Inquisitor who is only ML 1 and it made Mordrak with his Ghost Knights into a stomping machine as they survived first turn easily and then continued to do work through the rest of the game. It was the first time that I made it the entire game without loosing that squad. The problem is that with a ML 1 Psyker, the chances of me getting Invisibility are slim and nothing to be relied on. Then the thought came to me as I was playing with a new Imperial fist detachment with the Inquisitor sitting in the back that I could just replace Mordrak taking a Librarian and Terminators for roughly the same amount of points. I understand that I won't get to support the shunters like I used to which could provide a bit of a disadvantage but now the GKSS that comes in will get a bit of support and with my Imperial Fist, the drop pod also provides for a distraction.

So basically would it be worth to make the switch? It might be a casual fluff list but I don't want to completely handicap myself and actually taking the Librarian would fit the fluff for my army pretty well but I wanted to get some opinions on it first. I have all the models already so I might go ahead and play test it some. See if Mordrak was that essential and its not like I can't ever use him again. The thing I will miss the most is placing Mordrak where I want and my opponent asks if he scatters and the look on their face when I say he doesn't.

 
   
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I don't think your added chance of getting that all-important invisibility outweighs the benefits of turn-1 DS without scatter. Especially in a list designed to support Mordrak, it seems like not to take him would be to weaken your strategy.
   
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Well, my one thought was because Mordrak always seems to get annihilated because they either turn to kill him or go after my Dreadknight so that they never seem to be able to do the melee I want them to. I thought with the Librarian protecting them that even with coming on turn 2 that it would be a bit better. I might just test it out for a game or two and see how it works.

 
   
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I'd like to know how it goes, but like you said before anything else in your OP: take Mordy and Libby together! Also, there's nothing stopping Mordrak DSing behind cover or into the ground floor of a ruin. Most people agree that the rules for ruins haven't changed (practically) this edition, so the ground floor doesn't count as area terrain, as long as the arrangement of models doesn't intersect a wall. DSing into plain sight of one or two units will be dangerous regardless of who does it or when.
   
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It didn't go so well this time around. I took Sanctic on the Libby and the 4++ on the Terminators did not work as well as I thought it would so I want to try Telepathy next to see if that has any changes for them with Invisibility. Otherwise without Mordrak, you were right about the shunting units not being supported well without him going in as well. I need to also get another Dreadknight to help support my lonely one that goes in.

 
   
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Yeah, I didn't want to believe telepathy was the best, and I really wanted to make pyromancy work, but I'm slowly coming round to see that telepathy really is very good.

I'm up against DE on Wednesday with my Mordrak librarian combo, I'll try to remember to post the result here

We're you up against daemons? I would only consider sanctic against them, really.
   
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Libby with Warp Rift was awesome. Libby with 2-3 random rolls is bit closer to mediocre. I've been thinking about multiple Inquisitors in TDA with cannons, all rolling for Invisibility until I get it, a few plus the Invis guy attached to Mordrak, all for a shooty Mordrak Bomb that can Invis, re-roll, and probably Sheik or Nova. It will drop the average Toughness if not counter balanced with Ghosts, and that alone pushes it into Deathstar points, gosh darn it will it be a blast to Alpha that Strike!

SJ

“For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world.”
- Ephesians 6:12
 
   
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I agree with jeffersonian, I'm going to be doing some experiments myself to test out new loadouts for a mordrak bomb. Without warp rift, I'm only taking a libby for the teleport homer and that's kinda a points waste. Psychic shriek can be good, but still...it's no warp rift.
So if anything, I'm looking at replacing the libby, not mordrak. You really need mordrak for a shunt list.

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nawww.. i been running my shunt punch for over a year with loads of sucess taking coteaz and henchmen to stay back and scor/deal with stuff and leave more pts for jump DK's and more interceptors.

that being said, I also have a shunt punch with mordrak, though now that I dont get warp rift, its much less usefull, and if the 200pt libbys were not over costed before, they certainly are now :(

 
   
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I was up against a Daemon and CSM army list which is why I took Sanctic. I also wanted to see how powerful Sanctuary could be. Honestly, it didn't do half as well as I wanted it to. I feel like Invisibility would of helped out the Librarian and the Terminators so much more. It was quite disappointing. I still want to try the Librarian but this time with Telepathy and Invisibility to see if I can turn them into a wrecking machine of death. When I had it on Mordrak and his Ghost Knights, it was just amazing.

That being said, I kind of felt what it was like not to have Mordrak and his importance to a GK army that relies on shunting tactics to work. I thought I would be giving the GKSS that comes in on the second turn since usually they are the only thing that come in then unless I am playing my pure GK build in which a Storm Raven might come in with them.

Right now my favorite build is with my Imperial Fist allies. Coteaz and an Imperial Fist Librarian stay back to support the Centurion Devastators. The troop choice takes a Tactical Marine squad in a Drop Pod which because of Drop Pod rules helps to reinforce the shunting parts of my army. The other thing I need to do is unfortunately get rid of my Psyriflemen Dreadnought and get another DK with a teleporter in there to help support everyone.

I don't like to use Henchman since my Inquisitor doesn't like to use them and trusts only in GK. I use Coteaz for ML2 and two rolls on the Divination table to get some good stuff for the Centurions. I was using an Ordo Malleus Inquisitor that went with Mordrak but that always got my Warlord slain too even with TDA and a Psycannon but hot damn if I got Invisibility with a ML1 Psyker. I am also a sucker for the Imperial Fists. Basically my fluff is that my Inquisitor uses GK as his main agents, he dislikes subterfuge of other Inquisitors and openly uses the GK, not mind wiping as long as people don't ask too many questions about who is with him but he also works with the Imperial Fists when the GK would be create too many difficult situations. In both instances, Librarians are his liaison to both forces, the GK Librarian being with him for quite awhile never wanting to leave and the IF Librarian is good friends with him and they call on each other when needed. That is why I want this strategy to work so much because it would line up with my fluff and I am not going to have a GK Librarian, an Inquisitor, Mordrak AND an IF Librarian.

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I've been playing for a year and I've still not come up against a daemons list. How were the preferred enemy/daemonbane/aegis etc. advantages?
   
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 jeffersonian000 wrote:
Libby with Warp Rift was awesome. Libby with 2-3 random rolls is bit closer to mediocre. I've been thinking about multiple Inquisitors in TDA with cannons, all rolling for Invisibility until I get it, a few plus the Invis guy attached to Mordrak, all for a shooty Mordrak Bomb that can Invis, re-roll, and probably Sheik or Nova. It will drop the average Toughness if not counter balanced with Ghosts, and that alone pushes it into Deathstar points, gosh darn it will it be a blast to Alpha that Strike!

SJ

Right.

Aiming for invisibility using multiple Inquisitors in TDA w/ psycannon, 80 pts each, is the way to go.

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 wuestenfux wrote:
 jeffersonian000 wrote:
Libby with Warp Rift was awesome. Libby with 2-3 random rolls is bit closer to mediocre. I've been thinking about multiple Inquisitors in TDA with cannons, all rolling for Invisibility until I get it, a few plus the Invis guy attached to Mordrak, all for a shooty Mordrak Bomb that can Invis, re-roll, and probably Sheik or Nova. It will drop the average Toughness if not counter balanced with Ghosts, and that alone pushes it into Deathstar points, gosh darn it will it be a blast to Alpha that Strike!

SJ

Right.

Aiming for invisibility using multiple Inquisitors in TDA w/ psycannon, 80 pts each, is the way to go.


I think you forgot to pay for Psychic Mastery
   
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 pocketcanoe wrote:
I've been playing for a year and I've still not come up against a daemons list. How were the preferred enemy/daemonbane/aegis etc. advantages?


Banishment, while useless against most armies shines when facing a daemon army because you are taking the one advantage the daemons have: Their invul save. You basically kill more daemons that way because most daemons are mowed down pretty easily except for the big bad ones so going after their invul save instead of using force, or hammerhand to kill lots of daemons plus it allows others (Like my Imperial Fist allies) to be able to kill them too. But other than that, Sanctic is nice for the buffs but right now, I see Sanctic only useful with Chaos armies unless you are specifically going for Sanctuary and/or Gate of Infinity. Cleansing flame is good but not essential so that is my take. Also, GK already have Preferred Enemy with daemons anyway.

 
   
 
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