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2014/06/12 21:52:26
Subject: Space Wolves: Are Fenrisian Wolves Scoring?
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Pauper with Promise
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Hey guys!!
Teaching my girlfriend Space Wolves and now that 7th dropped, she asked me a good question. Even though their special little note/rule/condition states that they are NOT scoring, even as a troop choice with Canis (FAQ'd in the last 6th ed release) are they now? Can they hold a objective, but get stopped off by lets say a Grey Knights Strike Squad? How to I go about this?
Personally, I think as they can hold objectives, but can't contest. Any help clarifying this?
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2014/06/12 21:55:23
Subject: Space Wolves: Are Fenrisian Wolves Scoring?
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If the codex says they are non-scoring units, they are non-scoring units.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
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2014/06/12 22:05:47
Subject: Space Wolves: Are Fenrisian Wolves Scoring?
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Pauper with Promise
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Ok, just read her codex, I mis-understood. It says they may not claim objectives under any circumstances....
Does that make any difference?
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2014/06/12 22:07:07
Subject: Space Wolves: Are Fenrisian Wolves Scoring?
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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If they cannot claim then they are non-scoring. That means they can still deny, and if taken as a Troops within a CAD would possibly have Objective Secured, although would still be non-scoring.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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2014/06/12 22:09:55
Subject: Space Wolves: Are Fenrisian Wolves Scoring?
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Pauper with Promise
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So basically they can't hold the objective, but they can contest it?
Basically if I had a Strike Squad (Pure Grey Knights list Force Org'd) and she ran her wolves up, it would be contested? So they're more of a denial unit than scoring?
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2014/06/12 22:30:39
Subject: Re:Space Wolves: Are Fenrisian Wolves Scoring?
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Tzeentch Aspiring Sorcerer Riding a Disc
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I thought everything scores in 7th
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Its hard to be awesome, when your playing with little plastic men. 
Welcome to Fantasy 40k
If you think your important, in the great scheme of things. Do the water test.
Put your hands in a bucket of warm water,
then pull them out fast. The size of the hole shows how important you are.
I think we should roll some dice, to see if we should roll some dice, To decide if all this dice rolling is good for the game.
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2014/06/12 22:34:04
Subject: Space Wolves: Are Fenrisian Wolves Scoring?
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Dour Wolf Priest with Iron Wolf Amulet
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As long as a Fenrisian Wolf is within 3" of an objective, it can, at best, contest it. Doesn't matter if there's a scoring model in the unit, that specific model will have to get within 3" of the objective if you want to score with it.
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2014/06/12 22:38:18
Subject: Re:Space Wolves: Are Fenrisian Wolves Scoring?
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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Unless they have an exception.
These do.
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2014/06/12 22:42:03
Subject: Re:Space Wolves: Are Fenrisian Wolves Scoring?
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Tzeentch Aspiring Sorcerer Riding a Disc
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They had an exception in 6th, this is 7th
Rhino's landraiders, etc couldn't score in 6th. Now they do.
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Its hard to be awesome, when your playing with little plastic men.
Welcome to Fantasy 40k
If you think your important, in the great scheme of things. Do the water test.
Put your hands in a bucket of warm water,
then pull them out fast. The size of the hole shows how important you are.
I think we should roll some dice, to see if we should roll some dice, To decide if all this dice rolling is good for the game.
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2014/06/12 22:47:47
Subject: Re:Space Wolves: Are Fenrisian Wolves Scoring?
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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 loki old fart wrote:
They had an exception in 6th, this is 7th
Rhino's landraiders, etc couldn't score in 6th. Now they do.
That's a change in the rulebook.
This is a rule in the Codex.
And that hasn't changed.
The new rule for scoring states any unit can be scoring unless "it has a special rule specifing that it never counts as a scoring unit". Fenrisian Wolves still have such a rule.
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2014/06/12 23:13:42
Subject: Space Wolves: Are Fenrisian Wolves Scoring?
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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 KnightWolf wrote:So basically they can't hold the objective, but they can contest it?
I do not think there is such a thing as "Contesting an Objective" I cant find how a non scoring unit contests an objective anywhere in the rules.
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"Did you notice a sign out in front of my chapel that said "Land Raider Storage"?" -High Chaplain Astorath the Grim Redeemer of the Lost.
I sold my soul to the devil and now the bastard is demanding a refund!
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2014/06/12 23:28:21
Subject: Space Wolves: Are Fenrisian Wolves Scoring?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Non scoring models cannot contest objectives.
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2014/06/12 23:34:31
Subject: Space Wolves: Are Fenrisian Wolves Scoring?
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Pauper with Promise
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Why I ask is she runs Canis, with two squads of 15 wolves. Doesn't Objective Secured give them the ability to contest in a traditional list? Cause with Canis they are Troops....
 DeathReaper wrote: KnightWolf wrote:So basically they can't hold the objective, but they can contest it?
I do not think there is such a thing as "Contesting an Objective" I cant find how a non scoring unit contests an objective anywhere in the rules.
Lets say I have a strike squad on an objective, and she gets into CC with her squad of wolves and the game ends, isn't that objective contested, therefor I don't get points for it? I thought to get points for an objective you have to control it. Or is that only in effect when lets say blood claws are in CC with my SS.
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2014/06/12 23:44:24
Subject: Space Wolves: Are Fenrisian Wolves Scoring?
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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That is what I thought, but I just wanted to make sure I was not missing anything. KnightWolf wrote:Lets say I have a strike squad on an objective, and she gets into CC with her squad of wolves and the game ends, isn't that objective contested, therefor I don't get points for it? I thought to get points for an objective you have to control it. Or is that only in effect when lets say blood claws are in CC with my SS.
No that objective is not contested, as there needs to be a scoring unit near the objective to contest it. Non scoring models cannot contest objectives.
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"Did you notice a sign out in front of my chapel that said "Land Raider Storage"?" -High Chaplain Astorath the Grim Redeemer of the Lost.
I sold my soul to the devil and now the bastard is demanding a refund!
We do not have an attorney-client relationship. I am not your lawyer. The statements I make do not constitute legal advice. Any statements made by me are based upon the limited facts you have presented, and under the premise that you will consult with a local attorney. This is not an attempt to solicit business. This disclaimer is in addition to any disclaimers that this website has made.
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2014/06/12 23:50:11
Subject: Space Wolves: Are Fenrisian Wolves Scoring?
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Pauper with Promise
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So in a nutshell, until the codex drops, they're still just a WLDS haha. I just wanted to clarify because with 7th ed dropping 2 weeks after I decided to get back into 40k after 8 months, I was a bit confused.
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2014/06/13 00:37:02
Subject: Space Wolves: Are Fenrisian Wolves Scoring?
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Dour Wolf Priest with Iron Wolf Amulet
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KnightWolf wrote:So in a nutshell, until the codex drops, they're still just a WLDS haha. I just wanted to clarify because with 7th ed dropping 2 weeks after I decided to get back into 40k after 8 months, I was a bit confused.
I'd be surprised if they ever made them a scoring unit. It doesn't really make a lot of sense for a bunch of pet wolves to know enough about strategy to hold down the objective...
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2014/06/13 00:44:10
Subject: Space Wolves: Are Fenrisian Wolves Scoring?
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Fixture of Dakka
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As with Drop-pods:
Knowing what an objective consists of is irrelevant, all that matters is if they can identify an enemy and keep them away from the point.
A well trained canine be more then able to keep anyone not a 'pack brother' away from the thing they where ordered to Guard.
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2014/06/13 00:57:05
Subject: Space Wolves: Are Fenrisian Wolves Scoring?
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Pauper with Promise
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 Andilus Greatsword wrote: KnightWolf wrote:So in a nutshell, until the codex drops, they're still just a WLDS haha. I just wanted to clarify because with 7th ed dropping 2 weeks after I decided to get back into 40k after 8 months, I was a bit confused.
I'd be surprised if they ever made them a scoring unit. It doesn't really make a lot of sense for a bunch of pet wolves to know enough about strategy to hold down the objective...
And a group of pet monkeys that can fire lascannons multi meltas or flamers does? Hahaha she said she'll use them to eat my knights off of the objectives....
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2014/06/13 01:40:37
Subject: Space Wolves: Are Fenrisian Wolves Scoring?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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KnightWolf wrote:And a group of pet monkeys that can fire lascannons multi meltas or flamers does?
Jokaero are scoring units now.
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2014/06/13 01:52:31
Subject: Space Wolves: Are Fenrisian Wolves Scoring?
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Pauper with Promise
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I know, I was just saying monkeys that do that make sense haha.
Yeah, back in 6th they were with Coteaz which made them troops. 
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