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 streamdragon wrote:

 whembly wrote:
So, when Lerner’s hard drive crashed TEN MONTHS AFTER the Z Street started, the IRS made no effort to preserve it, but rather, by its own account, recycled the hard drive & server's backup tapes in a business-as-usual manner.

Hasn't this bullcrap been dispelled several times over? It's been posted several times, in articles in this thread, that the IRS sent the drive to a forensic recovery group who determined that data could not be retrieved. Has there been some massive revelation that this attempt at data recovery was a lie or something that I missed?

Well... the House's Means & Ways committee suggests otherwise.

Also, the IRS has yet to provide the paper trail (Service Tickets / Invoices) that had occured.

So, no... it hasn't been dispelled.


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 Ouze wrote:
The data recovery service was in Benghazi, Libya.

Evidently... because that's where they want the truth buried.

Lerner email says...

"right-wingers are donkey-caves"
"whacko wing of the GOP"
"crazies that will take us down"
and so forth...

Not very Professional Lerner.
http://waysandmeans.house.gov/uploadedfiles/lerner_email_a.pdf


The other interesting thing is that Lerner DOES use Blackberrys:

Lois G. Lerner-------------------------- Sent from my BlackBerry
Wireless Handheld

Issa's subpoena cannon is firing in 5...4...3...2...

 whembly wrote:

Not very Professional Lerner.

Those all seem like personal emails. There's even a lengthy one about an apparent vacation in the UK.

 dogma wrote:

 whembly wrote:

Not very Professional Lerner.

Those all seem like personal emails. There's even a lengthy one about an apparent vacation in the UK.

On her IRS' account (Lois.G.Lerner@irs.gov)

Man, I would love to go to the UK. I'd go to Warhammer World, and have bangers & mash, and maybe even toad in the hole, and go to the Tower of London... but I'd still rather Australia first.

 Ouze wrote:
Man, I would love to go to the UK. I'd go to Warhammer World, and have bangers & mash, and maybe even toad in the hole, and go to the Tower of London... but I'd still rather Australia first.

Australia and New Zealand!

Then, to the UK and smash the pubs.

 whembly wrote:

On her IRS' account (Lois.G.Lerner@irs.gov)

That just means she's stupid, like lots of other people that use their work email accounts for personal correspondence.

 Ouze wrote:
Man, I would love to go to the UK. I'd go to Warhammer World, and have bangers & mash, and maybe even toad in the hole, and go to the Tower of London... but I'd still rather Australia first.

Australia's beaches are pretty damn awesome due to the epic views.

 dogma wrote:

 whembly wrote:

On her IRS' account (Lois.G.Lerner@irs.gov)

That just means she's stupid, like lots of other people that use their work email accounts for personal correspondence.

Possibly...

See? There's more here than meets the eye.

Whew.....guess its more then just two rogue IRS agents at Cincinnati and possible not a "smidgen" of corruption

 whembly wrote:

See? There's more here than meets the eye.

Given the amount of censoring in that email release, that's obvious.

Also it has been obvious from the beginning. But, you know, this is basically a witch hunt designed to rope in conservatives. And one which most relevant conservative Congressmen are now pot-committed to.

Would have been better witch hunt if Jay Carney and Obama not inserted themselves into situation

 Jihadin wrote:
Would have been better witch hunt if Jay Carney and Obama not inserted themselves into situation

Not really, after the IRS admission some GOP politician was guaranteed to latch onto it as a means of gaining clout. Predictably it was Issa, because he needed to clear his own tax issues.

It's actually pretty surprising how big a deal it HASNT been here in Cincinnati. I thought it would have been a major talking point for the KY Election especially, but it doesn't seem to be.

 dogma wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
Would have been better witch hunt if Jay Carney and Obama not inserted themselves into situation

Not really, after the IRS admission some GOP politician was guaranteed to latch onto it as a means of gaining clout. Predictably it was Issa, because he needed to clear his own tax issues.

True. Since I am firm believer of setting one up for failure I would not have said a word but "Its under investigation so we cannot comment." and let the Republicans hang themselves by their own rope.

 cincydooley wrote:
It's actually pretty surprising how big a deal it HASNT been here in Cincinnati. I thought it would have been a major talking point for the KY Election especially, but it doesn't seem to be.

Its basically just a national thing. Which makes sense given that its a national organization with national scope, basically leaving out local politics.

 Jihadin wrote:

True. Since I am firm believer of setting one up for failure I would not have said a word but "Its under investigation so we cannot comment." and let the Republicans hang themselves by their own rope.

Yeah, the admission was a bad move.

 dogma wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
It's actually pretty surprising how big a deal it HASNT been here in Cincinnati. I thought it would have been a major talking point for the KY Election especially, but it doesn't seem to be.

Its basically just a national thing. Which makes sense given that its a national organization with national scope, basically leaving out local politics.

The Ky campaigns between McConnell and Grimes has been pretty.... Muddy so far, so I am a bit surprised I haven't seen any reference to this in any of their ads thusfar.

 cincydooley wrote:

The Ky campaigns between McConnell and Grimes has been pretty.... Muddy so far, so I am a bit surprised I haven't seen any reference to this in any of their ads thusfar.

You mean jelly.

Hehe.

 whembly wrote:
Lerner email says...

"right-wingers are donkey-caves"
"whacko wing of the GOP"
"crazies that will take us down"
and so forth...

Not very Professional Lerner.
http://waysandmeans.house.gov/uploadedfiles/lerner_email_a.pdf


The other interesting thing is that Lerner DOES use Blackberrys:

Lois G. Lerner-------------------------- Sent from my BlackBerry
Wireless Handheld

Issa's subpoena cannon is firing in 5...4...3...2...

Definitely not partisan.... did she say anything about left leaning groups while using the same delightful prose?

 whembly wrote:
Lerner email says...

"right-wingers are donkey-caves"
"whacko wing of the GOP"
"crazies that will take us down"
and so forth...

Is it bad that I agree with every one of those?

 Frazzled wrote:

 whembly wrote:
Lerner email says...

"right-wingers are donkey-caves"
"whacko wing of the GOP"
"crazies that will take us down"
and so forth...

Is it bad that I agree with every one of those?

Nah.. but you don't work for the Government... right?

The office of the Great Weenie doesn't count Frazz...

I also would use the same words for the left wing of the Democratic Party mind you.

 whembly wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 whembly wrote:
Lerner email says...

"right-wingers are donkey-caves"
"whacko wing of the GOP"
"crazies that will take us down"
and so forth...

Is it bad that I agree with every one of those?

Nah.. but you don't work for the Government... right?

None of those are any indication of illegal targeting or wrong doing though.

But we could go back a couple of pages where people were taking the "remember guys, everything is a public record" memo to indicate that it was an instruction to keep discussion of the evil master plan to break the laws out of the emails and I talked about the likelihood of it being a reminder that the "crazies that will take us down" are going to read that you called them donkey-caves and crazies...

CNN



MSNBC

As someone stated...

To borrow the president’s phrase, there’s at least a smidgen of bias in the IRS

It's telling that the media is having a hard time dismissing this.

So the House has not done anything legitimate since Obama has taken office and the Republicans gained the majority since they have at least a smidgen of bias against him?

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

Snip.

I don't see how any of that is relevant to the present debate, it only reiterates what the document contained.

Poor form, as usual.

 whembly wrote:

It's telling that the media is having a hard time dismissing this.

No it isn't, its controversial and controversy sells. That's not really a complicated thing.

 dogma wrote:

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

Snip.

I don't see how any of that is relevant to the present debate, it only reiterates what the document contained.

Poor form, as usual.

 whembly wrote:

It's telling that the media is having a hard time dismissing this.

No it isn't, its controversial and controversy sells. That's not really a complicated thing.

You're missing the point.The name calling and whatnot is not the issue, it's her persecution of groups is the problem. Her so called "not so professional" emails is simply a mirror into her mind(or lack thereof ) and a confirmation of her likely abuse of her position and violation of trust in
singling out groups that she obviously hates.

Hence her actions to plead the 5th.

All of this is ridiculously controversial, but those media outlet definitely tried to bury it by labeling the Republican/Conservatives are at fault.

 whembly wrote:

You're missing the point.The name calling and whatnot is not the issue, it's her persecution of groups is the problem. Her so called "not so professional" emails is simply a mirror into her mind(or lack thereof ) and a confirmation of her likely abuse of her position and violation of trust in
singling out groups that she obviously hates.

Hence her actions to plead the 5th.

All of this is ridiculously controversial, but those media outlet definitely tried to bury it by labeling the Republican/Conservatives are at fault.

So here is our standard answer to any question about Republican actions against the ACA, about Benghazi, about the IRS, etc etc etc:

You're missing the point.The name calling and whatnot is not the issue, it's their persecution of Obama is the problem. Their so called "not so professional" comments are simply a mirror into their minds(or lack thereof ) and a confirmation of their likely abuse of their positions and violation of trust in
singling out a President that they obviously hate.

All of this is ridiculously controversial, but those blogs definitely tried to bury it by labeling the President at fault

Because according to you, if you don't like somebody and are on record as not liking somebody then nothing you ever do could possibly be legitimate.

 whembly wrote:

You're missing the point.The name calling and whatnot is not the issue, it's her persecution of groups is the problem.

How is that a problem? People in government and corporate positions bitch about certain sorts of clients all the time, but that doesn't mean they are unprofessional when carrying out their duties.

Your argument is weak, and always has been.