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The new ruling for the black staff of Ahriman reads:

It allows Ahriman to attempt to manifest the same witchfire power up to three times per psychic phase

As I read it, this means I can attempt to manifest any number of witchfire powers up to three times. For example, it would allow me to manifest Smite 3 times and then manifest Life leech 3 times in 1 turn provided I have enough warp charges.

According to a someone I played yesterday, I couldn't because 'that gak would be broken as f*ck on top of being stupid'. He couldn't provide me any reasons as to why I shouldn't be able to but I dropped the issue and gave him his way because most of the time I either didn't need that much firepower or I could use my warp charges somewhere else (although in a less usefull fashion).

"It would be broken" is not a good defense in light of an actual Written Rule....
I'll let others with more experience with Ahriman to comment, but from what you posted it does look pretty straight forward.

You've got the rule right there. It makes Ahriman quite useful if you have the warp charge to power him and personally I'd be going for 3 Psychic Shrieks, as most of the other witchfires are a little Meh (I also like Cleansing flame but then you're rolling and hoping on a tree that's quite dangerous for Ahriman to use). As you say he could potentially have 5 witchfires and can cast each 3times for a total of 15 powers in a turn.

Looks legit to me. RAW and possible RAI all make sense (this is Ahriman we're talking about, after all).

Well, since some people still want to argue that Mastery Level doesn't limit powers per turn, Ahriman being reborn as a Maiar makes perfect sense in how the rules are "supposed" to be.

Which makes Chaos Space Marines extra fun this edition between Be'lakor and Ahriman abusing the ever living hell out of the psychic phase.

If Ahriman is casting 15 powers a turn, he'd better steal a Ghosthelm from that eldar Farseer next door.

May be slightly related. Given this, would an Eldar farseer be able to use the Spirit Stone of Anath'lan to reduce the warp charge cost of more than one psychic power per turn?

Just going to keep track of everyone who says that psykers can use as many powers as they want.

Hollismason wrote:
Just going to keep track of everyone who says that psykers can use as many powers as they want.

Then first on your track needs to be the 40k rulebook...

 FlingitNow wrote:

Hollismason wrote:
Just going to keep track of everyone who says that psykers can use as many powers as they want.

Then first on your track needs to be the 40k rulebook...

That doesn't even make sense.

Hollismason wrote:

 FlingitNow wrote:

Hollismason wrote:
Just going to keep track of everyone who says that psykers can use as many powers as they want.

Then first on your track needs to be the 40k rulebook...

That doesn't even make sense.

Which words are you struggling to understand?

 FlingitNow wrote:

Hollismason wrote:

 FlingitNow wrote:

Hollismason wrote:
Just going to keep track of everyone who says that psykers can use as many powers as they want.

Then first on your track needs to be the 40k rulebook...

That doesn't even make sense.

Which words are you struggling to understand?

Maybe you should start using actual sentence structure instead of William S. Burroughs method of posting and I'd tell you. If you believe Ahriman can fire off 15 Witchfires in a turn , then I've got a guy who'd want to sell you some 3d printed Titans.

I mean seriously if people would to stop pretending that they have a 5th grade understanding of the English language, unless they actually do have a 5th grade understanding of the English language, then we'd probably have like 5 threads in this forum. People literally purposefully act stupid when it comes to the rules as if they've never read any sort of sentence in their entire life.

The fact that people actually believe Ahriman can fire off 15 witchfires is just like mind boggingly stupid and just shows them as being wilfully ignorant of basic logic and understanding of written text.

This whole argument has been gone over like multiple times, and until either Games-Workshop starts giving basic English tutoring lessons at their stores, writes a FAQ that explicitly explains common sense answers, or stops making the game altogether we will still have this problem forever as people use words here like they're gaking in their hands and throwing it at you like monkies. I openly ask questions if I need a clarification but I don't look at the rules and go " Well if I read it this way, then I win!".

It's not that people are not only purposefully being wilfully ignorant, it's that they know that they are because they want a justification for doing something.

No sense getting frustrated over it. YMDC is at the bottom of the list in terms of rules priority. Heck, the lawyer next door has more authority than these threads do.

The Internet is for Porn. When not looking at Porn, people bored at work flock to it to start discussions. The best and most sure-fired way of starting a discussion is by creating a disagreement and forging an argument. Ergo, trolling.

Were it not for moderators locking any topics they feel are getting beyond their reins of control, we'd see topics lasting longer than the rules editions they are arguing over.

We still do. For example, someone brought up the 6th edition Tau FAQ collection thread, which is from when the Tau codex was first released, just a couple days ago.

If you believe Ahriman can fire off 15 Witchfires in a turn , then I've got a guy who'd want to sell you some 3d printed Titans. 

Why would the fact I understand how Ahrimans rules work mean I'd want to buy a 3d printed titan off some guy on the other side of the world?

A guy who thinks this is a solvable problem:

The number of apples a person can have depends on his age. 

Michael is 20 years old, how many apples can he have?

 FlingitNow wrote:

If you believe Ahriman can fire off 15 Witchfires in a turn , then I've got a guy who'd want to sell you some 3d printed Titans. 

Why would the fact I understand how Ahrimans rules work mean I'd want to buy a 3d printed titan off some guy on the other side of the world?

A guy who thinks this is a solvable problem:

The number of apples a person can have depends on his age. 

Michael is 20 years old, how many apples can he have?

That's easy. The answer is 20. You have given no permission or formula to assess the answer, but state it is dependent on his age. Devoid of permission to extrapolate or use extra information not available in the rules given voids almost all possible answers. I say almost because there still remains a single answer that follows the strict requirements of the rules you have provided, as his age can always be dependent on itself by the Reflexive Property of Equality.

Unless a formula is given granting permission to multiply his age by his wages or some other computation, the only possible answer currently is the age itself.

That really is not how either English or Maths works. The correct answer is the problem is unsolvable. Anyone with a rudimentary understanding of logic, English and Maths could tell you that. Seriously go to any primary school and the average kid there should be able to tell you this answer.

My colleagues at Rochester Institute of Technology disagree with you. There are a number of problems in mathematics that humanity has been forced to solve with a deficit of information. If you care to disagree with the methods involved, take it up with Sir Isaac Newton and be sure to call NASA to explain why space travel is actually impossible hyjinks invented by us with no foundation in the RAW of life.

 FlingitNow wrote:

Hollismason wrote:
Just going to keep track of everyone who says that psykers can use as many powers as they want.

Then first on your track needs to be the 40k rulebook...

Funny though, the BRB does not say that. Its only a weak interpretation of a badly worded sentence.

Fragile wrote:

 FlingitNow wrote:

Hollismason wrote:
Just going to keep track of everyone who says that psykers can use as many powers as they want.

Then first on your track needs to be the 40k rulebook...

Funny though, the BRB does not say that. Its only a weak interpretation of a badly worded sentence.

Spare yourself. He'll insist it does and be quite firmly disagreeable regarding it. Clearly we can't possibly know the size of our own planet because no one has a ruler long enough to measure it.

As with any new edition of 40k, you cannot assume something written in a previous edition still works the same way in the ]new edition.
in 6th the number of powers you could cast per model was based solely on its total warp charges, the model could know more powers than it could realistically cast, but it never actually stated you were limited to x number of powers cast per turn.

7th removed warp charges tied to a singular model, instead they are lumped into a pool and you are told to cast from that.

there is nothing in the book stating you can only cast X powers per model, there is nothing tie'ing your mastery level, or powers known to number of castable powers. there wasnt anything last edition either, the only determining factor was the amount of warp charges you generated, and the restriction on casting the same power more than once.

You are given permission to select a caster.
you are given permission to manifest powers/expend warp charges.

The only limitations in the book are powers known to that caster and total warp charge pool coupled with the restriction of no casting same power more than once.

Can you cite in the rules (and not use anything from 6th edition as the book is irrelevent now) anything that says otherwise? what page number and paragraph are these rules that limit the number of powers a model can manifest beyond what ive listed?

Silly as it is, it is legal for Ahriman to manifest all his witchfires 3 times each, if he has the powers and the warp charges available he can feasibly do 15 casts.

There is a Rule which states the number of powers cast per Unit is dependent on it's Master Level....
It is a problematic sentence for many reasons.

Its gettin' hot in here!

We have a rulebook that states one thing, then a codex rule that says feth that, Ahriman does what he wants. Codex overrides BRB.

Rakear wrote:
there is nothing in the book stating you can only cast X powers per model, there is nothing tie'ing your mastery level, or powers known to number of castable powers.

Except for the rule that states the number of powers you can cast each turn is dependant on your mastery level....LOL

We know it is dependent. The argument is over HOW it is dependent.

As well as the question on how we calculate a Units Master Level.
Let this be a warning, basing Unit wide Rules on a Model specific elements will always be problematic unless the Rule is written out to the very letter....

Kyutaru wrote:
Well, since some people still want to argue that Mastery Level doesn't limit powers per turn,....

Mastery Level does limit powers per turn. Unfortunately, the rules don't tell us how it does so.


There's nothing new being added to the same old arguments here, and people seem more interested in insulting each others' level of reading comprehension than discussing the topic, so I think this one needs a rest.