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Fragile wrote:
DR is fixated on creating a targeting rule in there. He will not change his mind, nor can he show any targeting. At this point the conversation will go in circles.

I have just shown how it targets Psykers.

 DeathReaper wrote:
I have ignored nothing.

All Psykers in range are definitely the "subject or aim of an attack or effect."

The Psykers within range are definitely the subject of an effect.

You certainly didn't respond to those posts.
So a blast that scatters onto another unit is targeted?

The crucible doesn't have any specific subject or aim - it hits all Psykers in range.

rigeld2 wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:
I have ignored nothing.

All Psykers in range are definitely the "subject or aim of an attack or effect."

The Psykers within range are definitely the subject of an effect.

You certainly didn't respond to those posts.
So a blast that scatters onto another unit is targeted?

The crucible doesn't have any specific subject or aim - it hits all Psykers in range.

It does have a specific subject, Psykers and only Psykers. Non-Psyker models are not affected.

P.S. What does blasts have to do with CoM? CoM is not a shooting attack and works differently to scattering blasts.

 DeathReaper wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:
I have ignored nothing.

All Psykers in range are definitely the "subject or aim of an attack or effect."

The Psykers within range are definitely the subject of an effect.

You certainly didn't respond to those posts.
So a blast that scatters onto another unit is targeted?

The crucible doesn't have any specific subject or aim - it hits all Psykers in range.

It does have a specific subject, Psykers and only Psykers. Non-Psyker models are not affected.

P.S. What does blasts have to do with CoM? CoM is not a shooting attack and works differently to scattering blasts.

If there are 12 Psykers in range, which specific ones are affected?
And it's relevant because you're using a word with a specific 40k definition and twisting it to mean something else based on ... What again? Aside from "it used to work this way"?

Considering the wording has not significantly changed the clarification in 6th about the way it used to work is still valid.

 DeathReaper wrote:

Fragile wrote:
DR is fixated on creating a targeting rule in there. He will not change his mind, nor can he show any targeting. At this point the conversation will go in circles.

I have just shown how it targets Psykers.

You have not. You are simply trying to keep rewording your argument to make it sound like you have. Nor does it really matter.

If this unit suffers Perils of the Warp, or is hit by an attack that specifically targets Psykers, the hits are Randomly Allocated amongst models with the Brotherhood of Psykers/Sorcerers special rule. If a model with this special rule gains or loses a psychic power, all other models with this special rule in their unit also gain or lose that power.

Nothing in that rule does what you claim and nothing stops every Psyker in there from taking the LD test.

 DeathReaper wrote:
I have, the Com targets all paykers. ergo the BoP rules cover the situation.

"targeting" aside, you are also conveniently skipping over the part where it deals with 'hits' and allocates 'hits' to a single model.

Or are you now going to claim that CoM targets *and* hits......???

 DeathReaper wrote:
Considering the wording has not significantly changed the clarification in 6th about the way it used to work is still valid.

And, as I've said before, this isn't a reliable way to look at things.
Nid FAQs flip flopping.
GK Deathknight flip flop.

FAQs aren't reliably the same within an edition, let alone through one.

So do you have an actual, rules based argument anymore?

 DeathReaper wrote:
Considering the wording has not significantly changed the clarification in 6th about the way it used to work is still valid.

You just ignore everything that proves you wrong, like in the cited part. You are wrong with this!!! THE CLARIFICATION FOR 6TH EDITION ISNT VALID, CAUSE WE HAVE 7TH EDITION AND THE 7TH EDITION FAQ DOESNT MENTION IT! --- Hope you get it if i write the relevant parts in caps... What does this mean? It means that GW hasn' t decided jet how the crucible works in 7th. Until they FAQ it again, its up to the interpretation of the players.

So now we look at your definition of targeting. Its the same Problem here. Until we have a clear Statement from GW, that "targeting" means also "affected by" or "everything that does something to a model" you cant argue the crucible targets all psykers, cause the exact wording doesnt mention its targeting anything.

The only to clear things we have is:

1. Crucible removes a psyker who failed his Ld
2. A unit with BoP is treated as a Psyker (still not sure, have to check the exact wording)

So if you add 1+1 you get the crucible will remove the whole unit. Maybe that isnt RAI. But as long as we dont get a FAQ that states otherwise or you find a clear definition of the word "target" everything else is just interpretation and not a fact.