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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/16 03:43:50
Subject: Ramming question.
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Hi, I was reading the ramming rules in the new 7th ed. Just want to clarify some things...
It says that you must move at least combat speed to ram.
1. Will IG/AM orders that allow the tank to move at 6 + D6 also enable ramming? ( could be obvious answer but I'd rather check )
2. It says tanks moving to ram can only fire snapshots, does this contradict the heavy tank rule where it always counts as stationary if moved? Will ordnance and other blast weapons be allowed to fire?
Thanks.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/16 03:59:33
Subject: Ramming question.
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[MOD]
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meaples wrote:It says that you must move at least combat speed to ram.
1. Will IG/ AM orders that allow the tank to move at 6 + D6 also enable ramming? ( could be obvious answer but I'd rather check )
Combat Speed is up to 6". So if the tank moves 6+ D6", it is moving at least combat speed...
2. It says tanks moving to ram can only fire snapshots, does this contradict the heavy tank rule where it always counts as stationary if moved? Will ordnance and other blast weapons be allowed to fire?
The Heavy rule just allows you to treat the vehicle as stationary for determining how many weapons it can fire. The restriction on shooting while ramming has nothing to do with how far the vehicle moves... it's a blanket rule forcing shots to be snap shots. So no, a Heavy vehicle will still only be able to fire snap shots when ramming.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/16 04:28:17
Subject: Ramming question.
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Alright, thanks,
So only the punisher and vanq tanks can fire snaps while doing this since all the other variants are blast/ordnance?
Not part of the main question but I might as well ask here.
For IG/AM tanks, if they do move at combat speed, does the tank fire all its weapons at full BS or the standard 1 at full and the rest at snap?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/16 05:15:39
Subject: Ramming question.
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Tough-as-Nails Ork Boy
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meaples wrote:Alright, thanks,
Not part of the main question but I might as well ask here.
For IG/ AM tanks, if they do move at combat speed, does the tank fire all its weapons at full BS or the standard 1 at full and the rest at snap?
They follow the normal rules, unless we're talking about a Heavy vehicle, which follows those rules instead. And even for Hevies, there might be other factors besides speed that force Snap Shots (for which Heavy does nothing).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/16 13:16:33
Subject: Ramming question.
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Heroic Senior Officer
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meaples wrote:
Not part of the main question but I might as well ask here.
For IG/ AM tanks, if they do move at combat speed, does the tank fire all its weapons at full BS or the standard 1 at full and the rest at snap?
(Edited for clarity)
Given that all the Leman Russ tanks have the Heavy rule, none of them can move at Combat speed.
(2nd edit, cause I'm an idiot. Mods, I assume it's ok to call myself that?  )
Ooops, I did misread that as Cruising speed. Thanks Grendel.
Leman Russ all have Heavy so will move at Combat and fire all weapons at regular BS. Non-Leman Russ Tnaks will follow the regular rules for shooting based on movement.
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Don "MONDO"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/16 13:30:09
Subject: Ramming question.
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Repentia Mistress
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don_mondo wrote:meaples wrote:Alright, thanks,
So only the punisher and vanq tanks can fire snaps while doing this since all the other variants are blast/ordnance?
Not part of the main question but I might as well ask here.
For IG/ AM tanks, if they do move at combat speed, does the tank fire all its weapons at full BS or the standard 1 at full and the rest at snap?
Given that all the Leman Russ tanks have the Heavy rule, none of them can move at Combat speed.
Do you mean to say that Heavy tanks cannot ram?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/16 13:33:51
Subject: Ramming question.
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Heroic Senior Officer
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milkboy wrote: don_mondo wrote:meaples wrote:Alright, thanks,
So only the punisher and vanq tanks can fire snaps while doing this since all the other variants are blast/ordnance?
Not part of the main question but I might as well ask here.
For IG/ AM tanks, if they do move at combat speed, does the tank fire all its weapons at full BS or the standard 1 at full and the rest at snap?
Given that all the Leman Russ tanks have the Heavy rule, none of them can move at Combat speed.
Do you mean to say that Heavy tanks cannot ram?
?? My response was to the bit "Not part of the main question" which had nothing to do with Ramming (as far as I can tell, at least). I'll edit the post for clarity, but leave the original here.
And yes, Heavy tanks can Ram and get a bonus just for being Heavy.
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Don "MONDO"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/16 13:40:07
Subject: Ramming question.
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Repentia Mistress
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Sorry I didn't have my rulebook with me and was just really curious about the Heavy rule.
The OP mentioned that the tank must be moving at combat speed to ram and you said Heavy tanks cannot move at combat speed. I thought it was a new rule I had missed.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/16 13:40:12
Subject: Ramming question.
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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meaples wrote:1. Will IG/ AM orders that allow the tank to move at 6 + D6 also enable ramming? ( could be obvious answer but I'd rather check ).
That is a Flat Out move. So no you can't Ram with it.
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milkboy wrote:Sorry I didn't have my rulebook with me and was just really curious about the Heavy rule.
The OP mentioned that the tank must be moving at combat speed to ram and you said Heavy tanks cannot move at combat speed. I thought it was a new rule I had missed.
It can't move Cruising Speed. If it couldn't move combat speed then it couldn't move at all
I think don_mondo get the two mixed up.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/16 13:42:17
Subject: Ramming question.
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Wait, so does this mean that heavy tanks can ram and when they do, still fire all their weapons at normal BS or 1 at full BS and the rest as snap shots?
IE: a stock LRBT can ram in the same turn and fire its battle cannon and sponsons at something else but the sponsons fire at snap shot BS?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/16 14:11:43
Subject: Ramming question.
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Heroic Senior Officer
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grendel083 wrote:meaples wrote:1. Will IG/ AM orders that allow the tank to move at 6 + D6 also enable ramming? ( could be obvious answer but I'd rather check ).
That is a Flat Out move. So no you can't Ram with it.
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milkboy wrote:Sorry I didn't have my rulebook with me and was just really curious about the Heavy rule.
The OP mentioned that the tank must be moving at combat speed to ram and you said Heavy tanks cannot move at combat speed. I thought it was a new rule I had missed.
It can't move Cruising Speed. If it couldn't move combat speed then it couldn't move at all
I think don_mondo get the two mixed up.
You are correct, I completely goofed that one up. Perils of posting before my second cup of coffee, I guess. I apologize for the confusion engendered by my error.
@meaples. No. While the Heavy rule changes what they can shoot based on movement, it has no effect on the Ramming rule. Insaniak already covered this in the first response to the OP.
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Don "MONDO"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/06/16 14:48:08
Subject: Ramming question.
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Ok, thanks for the help.
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