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"If two or more 6s are rolled, the Psyker suffers Perils of the Warp, which is resolved immediately." -7th Edition Rulebook p.24 Manifesting Psychic Powers Sequence
So if I read this correctly, does that mean that re-rolls won't save you from perils? That could be a big deal....

Ventiscogreen wrote:
"If two or more 6s are rolled, the Psyker suffers Perils of the Warp, which is resolved immediately." -7th Edition Rulebook p.24 Manifesting Psychic Powers Sequence
So if I read this correctly, does that mean that re-rolls won't save you from perils? That could be a big deal....

Re-rolls save you from Perils, and things like Gets hot etc...

I'm not seeing anything that specifically says perils are effected by re-rolls in 7th Codex. Gets hot specifically lists the effect of re-rolls in its special rules entry on page 164. Nothing regarding re-rolls indicates that the re-roll would somehow negate the perils.

Ventiscogreen wrote:
I'm not seeing anything that specifically says perils are effected by re-rolls in 7th Codex. Gets hot specifically lists the effect of re-rolls in its special rules entry on page 164. Nothing regarding re-rolls indicates that the re-roll would somehow negate the perils.

The Re-roll rule covers it.

"The second roll counts, even if it means a worse result than the first" (General Principles section).

So you count the second roll, not the first.

"If two or more 6s are rolled, the Psyker suffers Perils of the Warp, which is resolved immediately."
Immediately means you resolve the Perils before any other action. That means if double 6s are rolled in the first test, they resolve and then you may reroll the test (if it failed), or at least that is my understanding of the sequence. Is there a flaw in that logic?

Ventiscogreen wrote:
"If two or more 6s are rolled, the Psyker suffers Perils of the Warp, which is resolved immediately."
Immediately means you resolve the Perils before any other action. That means if double 6s are rolled in the first test, they resolve and then you may reroll the test (if it failed), or at least that is my understanding of the sequence. Is there a flaw in that logic?

Yes, the re-rolls says that "The second roll counts, even if it means a worse result than the first" meaning the first roll does not count, so chronologically would have to be taken into account before immediately.

Well I'd argue that the re-rolling action is done at the same time as the first roll for all intents and purposes. The word immediately just means before you take any other actions (which in my mind excludes re rolling rolls)

That however isn't clarified. This leaves, DUN DUN DUN, rules in conflict. I personally hold that RAI the same as you guys, but I chose to let the galaxy burn a bit, since RAW is sketchy here. I think that a FAQ is required for this, due to a lack of clarity in writing despite the evident intent that re-rolls should negate perils. I think they weren't expecting people to read it any other way, since 6th edition always saw that effect of negating perils. Dear GW, let me take an editing pass before you publish. Then again, this is the only conflict I've found so far, and the intent isn't hard to pry forth.

Some people just want to watch the world burn...

There is nothing in the rule that says you ignore re rolls, so you are allowed to take them. Immediately means at the conclusion of the act of evaluating the roll to determine a successful psychic test.

Actually this is easy to clear up.

Must comes before may.

You roll double 6's you must take a Perils of the Warp. Re-rolls are optional, optional things never take precedence over a rule when it comes to timing issues. Least not in any game I've played in the last twenty or so years.

So if a Chaos Marines character rolls "Spawn" on the Boon chart, and he has the re-roll Boons Warlord Trait, he's turned into a Spawn anyway even if he re-rolls it?

Not following that "immediate" stuff. If you Perils and can re-roll it somehow (Spell Familiar? Fateweaver?), you don't count the first result.

If someone said this at the table, I'd laugh, under the assumption that it was a joke.

I think I'd be aghast if someone tried to seriously pick a nit on this.

Yes, a re-roll will save you from Perils.

 Lobomalo wrote:
Actually this is easy to clear up.

Must comes before may.

You roll double 6's you must take a Perils of the Warp. Re-rolls are optional, optional things never take precedence over a rule when it comes to timing issues. Least not in any game I've played in the last twenty or so years.

Most re-rolls are not optional, actually.

Edit: If you perils, resolve it, re-roll and don't get perils, is playing using the result of the perils ignoring the first result as you're required to?

Ventiscogreen wrote:
That however isn't clarified. This leaves, DUN DUN DUN, rules in conflict. I personally hold that RAI the same as you guys, but I chose to let the galaxy burn a bit, since RAW is sketchy here. I think that a FAQ is required for this, due to a lack of clarity in writing despite the evident intent that re-rolls should negate perils. I think they weren't expecting people to read it any other way, since 6th edition always saw that effect of negating perils. Dear GW, let me take an editing pass before you publish. Then again, this is the only conflict I've found so far, and the intent isn't hard to pry forth.

A FAQ is not needed for this as it's plainly clear to 99.9% of the gaming population. A very tiny group of people will try and find fault or loophole with any possible rule (I'm looking at you "eyeless models can't shoot" guy!) even if it's illogical or unnecessary to do so.

A re-roll happens, for all intents and purposes, at the same time as the initial roll. It happens before any other events take place (especially those that are decided by that roll) because it replaces the initial roll. Models immediately suffer wounds if they fail their armour saves, do you claim that the ability to re-roll armour saves has no effect?

I'm of the position that the RAW isn't sketchy in the slightest and you're grasping at straws for an unknown reason (boredom?). There are plenty of unclear rules in 7th 40k—re-rolling blasts, generating warp charges from ICs in units, etc.— and I don't think we need to make it worse by confusing the issue on very straightforward rules.

DoW

 Lobomalo wrote:
Actually this is easy to clear up.

Must comes before may.

You roll double 6's you must take a Perils of the Warp. Re-rolls are optional, optional things never take precedence over a rule when it comes to timing issues. Least not in any game I've played in the last twenty or so years.

So you just started 40K, huh? GW rules are kinda wonky sometimes.

Re-rolls first, then you immediately resolve any perils once you determine if there are any using the results of the second roll.