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 MWHistorian wrote:
I've also stopped playing and won't pay another cent, but I do love the fluff. And a little hypocritical of me, will probably keep buying the novels. Everyone has a weakness.

The novels are a solid product (depending on author ; p), not hypocritical in the slightest. I was accused of hypocrisy for buying 40k from a US discounter when my stance was GW regional pricing was bad which was a bit peculiar I thought.

It's refreshing to see such a positive change in attitude for once. I love the 40k lore, flat out, and I love how that translates into some of the most amazing models we've seen. We literally see so many scratchbuilds and gaming units with dioramas built into their base, or telling a story.

There's just so much... character... that I haven't really been able to find elsewhere in any other game.

Far too early to Godwin a thread.

I still like the models and the lore, but that's about it now. Everything else is either not worth it (prices) or just reads like complete garbage (rules) compared to virtually everything else.

Another thing good is the release of stats for Primarchs. This gives the player an ability to play the legends of 40k. They are pretty impressive and each have an interesting backstory. Having these allows players to re-enact any of the famous scenes. Unfortunately, no stats for the Emperor, if not I'll be arranging a match for Emperor vs Horus.

YET - he is on the "to do" list. Apparently causing quite a consternation (theyve also written all the stats for all of them at one go, so theyre balanced against eachother in theory....)

Have to say, my forgeworld HH addiction is terrifying. Never thought id spend so much just for a pretty book.....

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
Love the fluff, And my sick mind loves Slaneesh, maybe i should start a Slaneesh army called the scumdogs of the universe!

Only if you model a Death-Pod with plasma cannons spewing death on anything that dares protrude to go with your Scumdogs of the Universe.

The fact you can get a game easily and quickly most places.
The opportunity for modelling.
The ability to create your own personal force and background

There are a number of things about 40K the game that I love....the background, the models, the distinctive character for each army, the diversity not only between different armies, but between different builds of the same army. Very few sci-fi games have that level of diversity.

 Corporal_Chaos wrote:
The lure for me was when I saw the first box of Space Marines (RTB01) in '88 or early '89 and found a rule book to go with it , Rogue Trader . I have always enjoyed the models and building models and a sci-fi set that allowed me to play a game with my toy soldiers that did not involve tossing fire crackers or rocks at my kits was the clencher. I even enjoyed the minor role play aspect of RT 40 K and all the creativity it opened up. I am not a tourney player and prefer a story driven game so this is what has kept me in for the long haul. I have been givin license to expand or delete or ignore anything in 40K . The universe is mine and I will shape it to my liking.

Oh yes. First game I ever played was recreating the Battle at the Farm. Orks vs Crimson Fists. There was nothing out there like it at the time. I was hooked.

I love the open ended feel too. Making my own Space Marine chapters, imperial guard regiments, i mean that is boundless. I' m even fine with the unbound stuff now that I've looked at it.


Thanks for this thread OP, it is good to think about the good in 40k since there is so much negativity lately. I know I have been negative about a lot of the newer things. But the game is amazing. I mean I have literally been involved in some aspect of it for twenty five years or so. That's positive!

I just love how you can just sit there and enjoy the hobby.

I can't tell you how much I enjoy seeing a fully painted army on a fully completed board. The last time I saw this was about 8 or 9 years and it got me into the hobby.

Right now, I'm trying to think of way to get my friend into the game, since he likes FoW, and it's difficult trying to remember what got me into it!


The creative license we are given is a massive part of the enjoyment.




As you can tell, I've never really played a game.

Mainly the fact that I can, one day, have one tense, all-out competitive game and then go and play another game where we get a few drinks, throw some dice around and laugh hysterically when a model blows its head off with a plasma pistol.

Secondly the fact that those two games could easily be with people I've never met before, in a place I've never been before. Because if two people play 40k, there's an instant connection there and you just get on with it and have a game, and normally end up decent friends afterwards.

Refreshing to see the anti-GW placard wavers [you know who you are] giving some positive comments. Possibly because the mods seem all over this thread for some reason despite the hundreds of positive ones that have been hijacked?

Anyway, OT - GW had been a huge part of my life for the last 30 years. I'm probably more active now than I have ever been, but I have been immersed in the 40k universe in some fashion since I was around 5 year old. They don't always get the gaming side of it right, but this and Star Wars have made me the man I am today. The only things I have ever wanted to be are a Jedi and a Space Marine. Neither happened, but I still live in hope

Despite its flaws 7th edition is, for me, the best edition yet. GW seem to be listening to their customer base a little more with each release, and I am optimistic for the future. Plus I get to use my Warhound Titan now

Finished DoW1 Soulstorm (3rd expansion). Damn I love Dawn of War! One more to go, Dark Crusade which iirc was always my favourite DoW1. More games like this please GW!! Relic really nailed the setting with visuals and sounds in these games. The voice actors came into their own in Dawn of War 2 imo, they really brought the setting to life. You can hear the righteous fury in Gabriel Angelos voice whenever he talks.

I just got the new rule book set and the Ork codex and was thinking of writing an essay on why this game kicks butt, but here is a thread doing that, so:

This game is amazing when you consider an alternative of nothing and an empty table. GW has filled the space very creatively. I started out many years ago building 1/32 WWII models, but when finished, all you could do is look at them. Then I discovered WH40K 12 years ago and got my mind blown. The creativity and superb evolution of the sculpting is fabulous. The flow of new models is impressive. You really don't have to buy them all, but they sure are seductive. The fact that they make the troop model parts in such a way that you can pose them in a bunch of different ways is a massive treat if you think about it. Who wants some metal sculpt that has one pose when you can have every model unique. Plus they are now including so many spare bits that allow you to customize models you haven't bought yet. And, who else puts out painting lessons? I also thoroughly enjoy conversions. I was tasked with making a huge Ork battle cruiser for an Apocalypse game several years ago which ended up being 3' long and 18" high. A beauty that fit the rulez. Also built two Ork subs, one modeled after a U boat and one a Russian boomer. Very Orky which is a creative joy. Haven't seen any other games that encourage that sort of thing.

When it was announced that they were coming out with a new rule book two years early in their cycle, I had my doubts, but it is a major step forward in the game. I can see now why they had the ants to put it out early. If you keep your old rule books, you can play whatever version you want (although you could get mightily confused). These guys started out importing Dungeons and Dragons to England back in the 70's, and look at them now! You should be thankful you are alive when all this is happening. And take note that this is a world-wide game. Other than futbol and Toyotas, what else can you discuss in common in such a variety of nations? I have posted my droll battle reports on this site and gotten compliments from France, Germany, Netherlands, the UK and New Zealand. That's community, brother. Truthfully, I can be slow on figuring out all the rules and probably could have won more games if I knew what I was doing, but I don't care. I'm more into the visuals - the model-eyes view. And the games are still a ball even when I lose, generally (don't have much time for the guys that must win at all costs). I have too many armies, but each one has such great fluff and models. Necrons, Dark Eldar, Dark Angels - distinct each.

Finally, the art in their publications has taken a huge leap forward. I love the Visions mag when it covers 40K, and the hardback books they are putting out are really outstanding - coffee table quality (which would be placed there if my wife thought our guests would be interested in my toy soldier collection). The novels are quite good, and are really an amazing adjunct to the models and the games. (I might add that after reading Fulgrim I sold my Chaos army as too twisted). The whole concept and execution of the game seems to be progressing quite amazingly and I'm in for the duration. Lord knows what they'll come up with next.

It's all good, baby. The whiners should be embarrassed, but hey, they get to have their opinions.

I have removed a bunch of off-topic chatter from the thread.

If you want to see more positive posting on this forum, the way to accomplish that is by contributing more positive posts.

Insulting those you who hold a different opinion on the game to your own is not a positive contribution, and is unlikely to make them suddenly realise the 'error' of their ways and change their behaviour.

You don't beat negativity with more negativity. If you want a more positive environment on these forums, then contribute positively.

Ok, I "positively" hate the current direction of the game.

Sorry, Insaniak...I had to do it. Dakka is missing a lot of its humor lately. Too many people taking all this way to seriously. Even the casual players are serious these days. When you hear people saying, "You're not playing casual enough!" I gotta find a way to laugh about it.

On a more on-topic line of thought. I truly believe that the playerbase has the ability to overcome the current issues facing the community. They just have to lighten up a bit and not be so dogmatic in their approach to the game. Maybe create their own rules as this BRB suggests.

Later,
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I'll jump on the 'yay gw' band wagon too.

Caveat. Can't be bothered with the game - IMO it's rubbish. Most of the 'regular' ie codex fluff is kinda meh as well. I guess codex:comedy robots and codex gk killed it for me. It's just... Childish.

That said, forgeworld is pretty damned awesome. And though I diss the regular fluff, I'm a big fan of imperial armour. I have them all. If I want something fun to read that isn't a novel - I pull one out and disappear into the 40k-iverse. The recent step into the heresy is a lot of fun as well. And forgeworld do very pretty models.

I am a big fan of gw bits. I play mostly warmachine and infinity. Love the models. Love painting them. IMO pp's stuff is generally very good, and Corvus belli make the best models in the industry. Neither do a great deal of bits! Pp's stuff is very limited, in my mind. If I want to convert stuff, I reach for my gw bits box that I've been keeping since 2002! And to be fair, some of gw's kits are a gold mine for interesting wee bits n bobs for converting - even if I never use them for the intended game, I get great use out of them. Funnily enough, I love the kroot box!

Lastly - a big shout out for gw washes. I had some bad experiences with gloss washes after the recent change to their paint catelog. The replacement for gryphon Sephia was aweful. Ive been using pp washes and paints recently, and they're solid. But recently, I picked up some gw paints bad washes. And to be fair, Null oil is pretty awesome. Perfect for washing down my iron fangs. I would heartily recommend it.

 ciaotym wrote:

. The fact that they make the troop model parts in such a way that you can pose them in a bunch of different ways is a massive treat if you think about it. Who wants some metal sculpt that has one pose when you can have every model unique. Plus they are now including so many spare bits that allow you to customize models you haven't bought yet. And, who else puts out painting lessons? I also thoroughly enjoy conversions.

One pose?If it's a good model - then sure. Multipose has it's advantages though. That said, other companies do painting lessons - I've seen quite a few DVDs from privateer press on it, amongst others. And YouTube 'painting techniques'.

 ciaotym wrote:

And take note that this is a world-wide game. Other than futbol and Toyotas, what else can you discuss in common in such a variety of nations?

Quite a bit, to be fair!

 ciaotym wrote:


Finally, the art in their publications has taken a huge leap forward. I love the Visions mag when it covers 40K, and the hardback books they are putting out are really outstanding - coffee table quality (which would be placed there if my wife thought our guests would be interested in my toy soldier collection). The novels are quite good, and are really an amazing adjunct to the models and the games. (I might add that after reading Fulgrim I sold my Chaos army as too twisted). The whole concept and execution of the game seems to be progressing quite amazingly and I'm in for the duration. Lord knows what they'll come up with next.

Gw art is indisputably high quality, as is their printing, but visions isn't. It's a rip off. There's better magazines out there. No quarter and wargames illustrated jump to mind.

 ciaotym wrote:

It's all good, baby. The whiners should be embarrassed, but hey, they get to have their opinions.

It's not 'all good' though, There is validity to a lot of the criticisms though, despite the internet echo chamber effect, For what it's worth, simply calling people 'whiners' is rather crude and dismissive and really serves no purpose.

Well to be perfectly honest, I love the fluff. I think the 40k background is my favorite fictional universe for its over-the-top feel and ridiculous amounts of (what I think are anyway) pure awesome. There's so much depth in the fluff and its possible to change quite a good amount. I love it.

Do I find the rules broken? Well, yes I guess. Still, I play the game to see ridiculous amounts of psyker powers, dakka, and close combat flying all over the place. I often even discard points and throw a large group of units at another large group of units, say "ATTACK!" and watch the chaos unfold.

I also find the universe to be very malleable, allowing me to make very many codexes, supplements, and the occasional story on a battle. It gives me a more creative way to play the game.

The fact that the game is gridless and more flexible for movement is something I quite enjoy as well. While I understand other games do it too, I still enjoy it here.

Keep in mind though, I do only play this by myself.

Are there any actual reviews of the ork codex? Preferably impartial.

I love ig, they are generic dudes doibg not generic things in difficult circumstances, that and they are the easiest to sympathize with.

I became obsessed with the background when I was a kid, still am.
There's loads of brilliant models. The rules are fine for casual play, which is all I'll ever really be doing.

I like old 40k, they did a great job of fleshing out a universe well still leaving most of the details wide open. I think, at least for me, the filling in of those details by others is what upsets me. It's like having a masterpiece sketch "filled in" by someone else to make it "better". I love bolters, power armor, Dreadnoughts, land raiders, rhinos, jump packs, land speeders, drop pods, power swords, power fists, lightning claws, storm shields, rad grenades, vortex grenades, grav guns, web guns..., and Titans! Don't get me started about Epic, space hulk, necromunda, blood bowl, etc. !!! I love what Warhammer was and is for me.


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What's sad is that that stuff is all 20 yrs old...instead of expanding they are trying to jam all of it into one game. I love seeing a stompa or a knight on the board, and they are amazing models, but it doesn't "work" as they were intended.

Personally, "playing" the game with the rules, stats, and whatever are almost secondary. Even without playing, just laying out a legion of highly customized armor and troops with another army on the other side my imagination runs wild with imagined scenes of the colossal armored war machines dueling with alien monsters and mere men (IG, my army) or even genetically/cybernetically altered Super Men fighting against the most insane alien or super natural conceived beasts is second to none. Heck, just placing my army on a giant table for an apoc match is great, and I have to take a picture before the first roll is even done.

The ability to create my own army as I please Is what I like best, having the option to use the GW models as templates to work from or plastic models of other machines, or even from scratch with plastic sheets and glue. That's a lot of fun for me. Then being able to work your creations into the vast universe (with some sense concerning the original material of course) is icing on the cake.

I just love 40k I started playing in high school and here I am 7 years later begging my wife at my FLGS to let me buy the SM strikeforce(she let me, I do love her indeed) I dont play as much but I love putting together a large fluffy army, sadly so many people in my area only play tourney armies and dont want a Fluffy campaign they only want that trophy. But I digress.

I love the fact that even stuff that occurs in my house can factor into game play, such as my GSD (german sheperd Dog) loves to walk up and ever so gently grab a model from the scenario and run off with it. My friends and I actually count that model as killed by the Bearasuarus Rex. When my wife turns the lights off accidentally we use our own personal Night fighting rules and leave the lights off. When the dog bumps the table and the models all go wibbly wobbly all models that fall over have to take a dangerous terrain test for the siesmic danger on the current world. There are just so many possibilities especially if you have a very casual group to play with. Even when the beer spills it counts as a volcanic eruption and every model hit takes a S8 AP2 hit.

From the point of view of someone who has ditched 40k, I'd like to point out some broad ways in which 40k is quite good.

The Universe
The background of 40k is very wide, but not very deep, and the universe is presented as being even wider without being defined. This is seen by some to be a bad thing, but it's actually one of the ways that 40k keeps being such a fun sandbox in which folks can build their own thing.

For example the Battletech universe is much more thoroughly and richly developed, with more detail and consistency, and a historical timeline that progresses. However, it does make much narrower, the options for creating one's on niche (technology and factions are fairly nailed down, aliens aren't part of the equation, etc, etc) . The boundaries 40k universe are much less clearly defined and there's room to incorporate just about anything. It's a universe that encompasses Gaunts Ghosts, Caiaphas Cain, and whatever the monthly novel of bolted porn is and does so comfortably.

The models.
It has NEVER been realistic to say that GW is definitively "the best" maker of models, but they are still among the best. Like any company, they have some stinkers and the style is not to everyones taste. However, it's hard to deny that they put out a lot of great models and do so with a regularity that's hard to beat. My friend just showed up with a kit of wood elves on stags. Really gorgeous stuff! Also, their kits offer more variety that almost anyone else's with a notable few exceptions, none of which are made by companies that come anywhere near GW's output.

Production Values
The presentation of GW products and printed materials, have always been very slick and extremely pretty. Say what you will about WD, it was always one of the best looking magazines (not containing pretty women) you could have by the toilet. Those same production values were present in GW gaming books, box art and promotional materials, going back decades. Folks will argue style vs substance, but there is something really nice about a really good-looking set of war-games rules. It's something that GW dominated in for years and it's only in the last decade that other wargaming companies have started to catch up.

Ubiquity.
GW games are still -in many areas- the most popular war-games. That means that the higher sticker price usually buys you a built-in local or near-local community with which to play. That's a feature that should not be underestimated. I freely admit that if I didn't have access to the group of indie-gamers that I do I'd probably still be shelling out GW bucks. For those for whom the gaming experience is a vital part of wargaming, the ubiquity and built-in-community of GW is a real benefit.

Holding of value.
GW miniatures have a value that extends beyond the original purchase in a way that exceeds most other war-games miniatures. One result of this is that it is financially easier for GW gamers to switch armies. Another result is an enormous and thriving 2nd hand market where it is not difficult for the newbie to enter a GW game at a discounted price-point of entry. To be clear that lower price is often still more expensive than other games, but its still a good discount and the decades long history of GW means that older versions of models are often available at an even lower price point.

So there you have it, the 40k recipe has a lot going for it. It's not my favorite flavor anymore, but theres more than enough quality ingredients for me to completely understand why many do partake.

The part I like the most is assembling the model itself.
Priming it afterward and painting it after that.

I don't care a whole lot for playing the game much these days as I am hyper competative and only find fun in games where the winner is either not obvious ( I do not get tabled lol) or I win myself.

say what you will about 40k, but it is honestly one of the best things in my life. although, that really isn't saying much.

Finally! First of all exalted!!

I love the game for the extensive background, the details, and the many races that you can play so as not to get tired of one. I also like the fact that they (GW) have been around for a while, I have been involved with it since the very beginning, and with many systems I've seen most fail. Not 40K, it just keeps getting better! Love the new rules, the attention to details in the making of the books, the separation of the fluff, and rules... I'm at work with the new Ork Codex out in my car and I'm really wanting to go hide in my car and read it!

Mostly for me, it has allowed me to meet loads of great folks, made many good friends through the game. I love to build and paint the kits. I can do whatever I want, I can set up my squads however I want, arm a member with the dangerous plasma guns just because I can. I can put a 5 man team in a Razorback that I armed up the way I want. What I'm trying to say is it's versatile. Now I can throw in some Tau xenos to fight with my Space Marines if I want, fighting on a desperate battle field vs Tyranids.

I like to set up small games for my boys to play, like rescue Lt. Dan at his crash site, with Tyranid Spore Mines floating towards him and a small squad of Termagants hunting him. Then I can play the giant battles with Titans, and Super Heavies, and literally hundreds of figures!

I also enjoyed running demo games around several different states for GW, made loads of contacts and helped spread the game around to folks who had never heard of it. One time I had a weekend of 40K demo's, one guy never heard of it but had listened to a radio station advertising the weekend events at this hobby shop. He came by tried out something new, after he had played a couple of times I caught him walking out with 5 of the new boxed sets, I said what do you need 5 for? He said for all my buddies, they'll love this!

Anyway I like loads of things about GW and the products they make. Have met some artists, authors, been inspired by very talented friends, man I could go on and on!!

Man, It's all about the Space Wolves, Bruvah!!

So awesome that they may have erased up to 2 corrupted legions? And the Wolves have the best fluff, ESPECIALLY pre-heresy. All stone cold killers on the outside, and rough brother dogs to each other.

Vikings in space? I think so man. If I could be born into the 40k universe, I know I'd want to be on Fenris, somehow survive a huge battle and get picked up by a Rune Priest.

Of course I know if I were to be magically born into a 40k universe, my parents would hate me and turn me into a darned baby Cherub servitor... (thats how it works right?)

But anyways... Wolves for the Wolf God!

Wolf wolf wolf.