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So I have a list that I plan on using against a friend with Legion. This is the first time using PStryker.

Pstryker
-Squire
-Lancer
-Ol' Rowdy
Strangeways
Alten Ashley
Jr
Stormblade Captain
Storamblade infantry
-UA
-Stormgunners x2
-Stormclad
Blazers (full)

So what do you think? Blur is going to go on the Blazers to give them Def 18 Jr and Stryker to give Arcane Shield on whatever I feel is needed. Strangeways is going to support the Stormclad giving it a focus and then it can get another from beginning next to Stormblade unit or Solo. So effectively having 3 focus on it. with the Jack Marshal ability. Ol'rowdy will just protect Styker and do what every he needs to do. Lancer is there for the Node purely. So what do you think?

Honestly? I'd throw the Stormclad on Stryker, so that he could get more focus if he had to. It'll allow you to use it as one missile, and then Ol' Rowdy as a second missile to crush whoever killed the Stormclad. Or vice versa. And he can still get the focus if he activates near the stormblades, so you don't lose out on that.

I'd also consider Rhupert. He really helps the Stormblades by either giving them tough or +1 DEF. Not sure who you would drop, but it's worth considering.

Thanks for the quick response.

The Stormclad can get the max 3 effective focus that it could if Stryker was running it. Without having Stryker lose Focus. As far as getting Rupert I have looked at him and I like him, but I don't own him as of yet. And like you said where do I fit him?

Personally I think if you are going to run the Stormclad then give him to pStryker, otherwise I feel he his wasted being marshaled to Stormblades and I would drop him.

The other thing that worries me is the lack of protection you have for your Storrmblades. They really need a screening unit.

What you could do and it's a bit radical, is drop Strangeways, Lancer and the Stormclad which frees up 18pts. You could then add (assuming you have the models)

Max Stormlances 11 - These make a great screening unit for SB. They also hit like a ton of bricks as well and with two units of Stormnouns the SB Capt really shines
Viktor Pendrake 2 - With access to Beast Lore to help with those assault shots/melee attacks considering Legion Beasts can get to quite high Def
Rhupert 2 - Dirge of Mists = Def Buff, Terror. Heroic Call = Fearless, Tough, March = Pathfinder. All good
eEiryss 3 - The ability to strip animus/upkeeps from a target hit. So things like Tenacity, Spiny Growth

That's my 2 pence

gobbo76 wrote:
Personally I think if you are going to run the Stormclad then give him to pStryker, otherwise I feel he his wasted being marshaled to Stormblades and I would drop him.

Thanks for your input but, Why?
I have already explained he gets the same effective amount of Focus. While Stryker gets to keep his more important Focus to cast spells or help Ol'Rowdy.

The Stormblades are my Screening unit.

I don't have the Storm lances. I have looked at Victor and Rupert I just don't have them at the moment. I refuse to use Eiryss of any kind, when I played MK1 I hated her so much. Its just a moral imperative that I don't use her.

Why. Well several reasons off the top of my head :-)

1. The fact outside of Stormwall he is our heaviest hitter with his P&S 19 Generator Blade
2. He is totally reliant on Arlan Powerboosting him and starting his activation with 3" of the Blades to get his 2 focus, just so you are aware the Stormblade Capt can't help the Clad generate a Focus. So the loss of either or both of those scenarios reduces his effectiveness.
3. Effects which need to be shaken in the Control phase like Stationary and Knock down will shut him down.


Personally using your Stormblades as screening unit is IMHO a bad idea. They just don't have the survivability to do that. They are a 2nd line unit, which really want something in front of them so you can deliver them to the enemy en-mass.

Why can't the Captain give him focus. He is a Stormblade?

The loss of stormblades means I have an inert Jack anyways. So yeah that is a chance I have to take. I just wanted to free up Stryker so he didn't have to worry about feeding the stormclad with focus as well. But You do bring up good points. I totally didn't think about the shake off. I just started with Cygnar so learning some stuff.

Thanks for the info.

It also frees up Arlan to use Evasive, which is sadly underused in a lot of lists, or even use repair if the enemy manages to get a lucky early shot off and take out an arm/movement.

But sadly evasive is not as important as a free Focus.

The thing is, it will let you throw that Stormclad/Ol Rowdy clean by enemies, without worrying about silly things like free strikes. Enemy warcaster is partially screened by reach weaponmasters? Who cares, charge right by. Have to squeeze between two warbeasts, who together are more than likely to wreck an important system? Who cares, charge right by.

In a lot of scenarios, that can be much more useful than an extra focus on a marshalled jack, especially because Stryker can just load it up with 3 himself if needs must, if the jack is on him.

But it is your army

 balsak_da_mighty wrote:
Why can't the Captain give him focus. He is a Stormblade?

Because the Stormclad's Storm Accumulator specifically says "Stormblade Infantry" and sadly the Captain is a "Stormblade Captain" if he was a "Stormblade Infantry Captain" then he could.

Actually if you lose the Stormblades he becomes autonomous not inert. Even so that is a lot of points just ambling around the battlefield.

If you are just starting with Cygnar then jumping in @50pts seems a bit strange.

Like motyak said Evasive can be really useful. I have assassinated casters who though they were safe because I was able to ignore the free strikes to get to them. It's a great ability which can not only be used for attacking but can also be used to extract warjacks from combat if they are tied up, especially your Lancer who people will engage just to shut down the Arc Node

 motyak wrote:


I'd also consider Rhupert. He really helps the Stormblades by either giving them tough or +1 DEF. Not sure who you would drop, but it's worth considering.

I think I'd drop Alten, since he already Blazers and Stormblades to deal with the light warbeasts that Alten works best against.

gobbo76 wrote:
Because the Stormclad's Storm Accumulator specifically says "Stormblade Infantry" and sadly the Captain is a "Stormblade Captain" if he was a "Stormblade Infantry Captain" then he could.

Is there an official ruling on this? Just seems weird to me.

gobbo76 wrote:
If you are just starting with Cygnar then jumping in @50pts seems a bit strange.

I have been playing Cygnar for about a month and a half. I have played 2 other 50 point games with Darius. I have also played Mercenaries since MK1, the game is not new to me.

sing your life wrote:
I think I'd drop Alten, since he already Blazers and Stormblades to deal with the light warbeasts that Alten works best against.

Dropping Alten for Rhupert isn't a bad idea. Alten hasn't been doing the best of job. Although he does draw a bit of fire power because he doesn't like him much.

But anyways I played my game last night.

Here was his list.
EVayl
2x Shredders
Ravagore
Typhon
2x Nephlim bolt throwers
Swordsmen (min)
-UA
3x Spell Martyers
Shephard
Cavarly solo (name?)


The list worked pretty good. I didn't play it the best. I killed most of his swordsmen with an assault order from shooting and with the actually melee attacks. The blazers took a flank and killed one of the Nephlims. The Stormblade Captain got a charge off on Vayl and hit her hard for 17 damage and after transferring to a beast she still ended up taking 10 damage. At the end he had 4 models left and he got a lucky caster kill. Def 18 armor 17 on Stryker and he ended up being able to charge me and get a lucky dice roll to exactly kill me. My loses were 2 blazers and about 4 stormblades. My lancer is the only jack that took damage. So I think the list works fine I just need to learn the synergy with it a bit more. having only played Darius up to this point. Stryker is a totally different type of caster. All in all I think I will try this again maybe with a minor tweak and lose Alten for the Piper and see what happens.

Is there an official ruling on this? Just seems weird to me.

No, but the wording on the Storm Accumulator specifically says Stormblade Infantry, and the Capt card doesn't have Stormblade Infantry in the wording.

Sounds like it was a good game.

He is still an infantry model though. So I am just not sure about it.

These might help clear up the situation with the SC Capt and generating focus for the Stormclad :-)

http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?179277-Stormblad-Captain-and-the-Stormclad&highlight=Stormblade+Captain

http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?202065-Stormblade-Captain-and-Stormclad&highlight=Stormblade+Captain

I get the idea, but its still doesn't make sense. Logically its the armor that is powering the Stormclad. Not the specific model.

I get the idea, but its still doesn't make sense. Logically its the armor that is powering the Stormclad. Not the specific model.

It might not but thems the rules. Though it would have been nice for him to be able to give a Focus to the Stormclad, but considering everything else he brings to the table for Stormknights I am not going to lose any sleep over it :-)