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I know it's not exactly to do with the codex but the Meganobz where a huge disappointment for me.

About three weeks ago a friend talked me into splitting a box of nobz with a couple of friends to paint and I loved it. I was eagerly awaiting the new meganobz and it was the first time in months I had actually been excited about a GW release. But then they came out as 3 to a box which all look very similar with little customization other than the weapons on each hand, and a mek model forced in taking up what seems to be a lot of room on a sprue.

I have 4 trukks of boyz
2 bws of shoota boyz
2 dakkajets
6 stormboyz
kff mek
some burnas
mega warboss
junka
kustom stompa (build around FW rules)

Can I make a funtional army out of these?

When I made this in 5th ed the strategy was to rush in with trukks and pile mutible ork units into one enemy unit while surviving trukks split up enemy forces.

Shoota boyz basically go drive by shooting and capture objectives other unit provide support when needed.

Looking at the new rules I say I can't. None of my units hit very hard and pretty much everything rose in price while losing effectiviness.

 Zagman wrote:
You couldn't have picked one of the other bitch threads? Was a new thread necessary.


You don't even have the Codex yet. Chill out, there will be some good builds that come out of the Codex, that is apparent already.
If you were afraid of getting Boyz in CC, maybe Orks is the wrong army.


Please stop your bitching, don't waste space with this thread, wait for the codex, and play it and adapt with the times. It's not on par with Eldar, but it certainly going to be around middle of the pack.

Please stop wasting time and space when there are many Ork bitch threads all over the place already.

Who gave you the right to insult other forum members ?

Played a game with the new dex last night. I though the new rules in the dex were fine. The new WAAAGH! Got some orks into combat with a squad of terminator who were on the ropes, too bad they had already wiped out some MANZ. And on the other side of the table the WAAGH! Nearly caught another group of marines had it not been for a wall of death over watch from flamers. Orks were on the losing side but seemed to have staying power. I actually kind of liked the Mob Rule! mechanic. It seemed to keep those smaller groups in the fight and it actually never claimed a victim due to some good rolling.

Of course need to play more but I liked the new dex.

Power-wise I think it's ok, but... it's kinda boring, isn't it?

It's a typical GW codex. The models no body bought or used went down in pts and the units people typically used went up in pts.

I'm not a huge fan, if I'm honest.
A lot of my favourite things have been hit pretty hard with the nerf bat, and the Orks had taken a bit of a pasting from it already when we transitioned from 5th-6th.
Deffrollas, Boarding planks (previously the best way to kill a dreadnaught) ramshackle, all took serious hits, Shootaboys went up in points, some of the unit upgrade characters became HQ characters, taking up slots, and so on.
the only real good things for me, are the dedicated transport allocation for some units (Flash gitz, burna boys, for example)
Removing the ability of certain characters to move units around in the FOC is another major blow.
There goes at least three of my favourite army builds.
Not impressed at all.

 Chute82 wrote:
It's a typical GW codex. The models no body bought or used went down in pts and the units people typically used went up in pts.

Well bro you've just gotta throw out all your models and buy all the new ones, otherwise you're just a crybaby.

PS you missed something, which is all the models nobody bought or used when down in points, up in $$$, all the units people typically used went up in points or nerfed beyond salvage


Cash grab. Nice try Games Workshop but I'm not buying. You just lost $100s in sales. Try harder.

 TedNugent wrote:

 Chute82 wrote:
It's a typical GW codex. The models no body bought or used went down in pts and the units people typically used went up in pts.

Well bro you've just gotta throw out all your all models and buy all the new ones, otherwise you're a crybaby.

They are lucky I bought the codex but for another $50 I can get the Ghazghkull supplement. Wow what a deal

And another $4 for looted wagons.

 Chute82 wrote:


They are lucky I bought the codex but for another $50 I can get the Ghazghkull supplement. Wow what a deal

Bro you've got to spend $58 on the codex and $50 on the supplement and then spend hundreds of dollars on models and spend months playtesting them otherwise you don't know

You just can't know

Spend hundreds of dollars, then you can know.

 TedNugent wrote:

 Chute82 wrote:
It's a typical GW codex. The models no body bought or used went down in pts and the units people typically used went up in pts.

Well bro you've just gotta throw out all your models and buy all the new ones, otherwise you're just a crybaby.

PS you missed something, which is all the models nobody bought or used when down in points, up in $$$, all the units people typically used went up in points or nerfed beyond salvage


Cash grab. Nice try Games Workshop but I'm not buying. You just lost $100s in sales. Try harder.

For someone who dosent like the new codex you spend a lot of time around these ork codex threads.

Almost like I was on the fence to buy an Ork army

 Zagman wrote:
You couldn't have picked one of the other bitch threads? Was a new thread necessary.


You don't even have the Codex yet. Chill out, there will be some good builds that come out of the Codex, that is apparent already.
If you were afraid of getting Boyz in CC, maybe Orks is the wrong army.


Please stop your bitching, don't waste space with this thread, wait for the codex, and play it and adapt with the times. It's not on par with Eldar, but it certainly going to be around middle of the pack.

Please stop wasting time and space when there are many Ork bitch threads all over the place already.

Thanks Mod!

edit: oh wait, that guy isn't a Mod!

BTW I just got me some Orks and I'm really looking forward to building a new army, with a new codex. Everyone just calm down. Unless you know, you're campaigning for a job at Dakka like the guy above...

Loborocket wrote:
Played a game with the new dex last night. I though the new rules in the dex were fine. The new WAAAGH! Got some orks into combat with a squad of terminator who were on the ropes, too bad they had already wiped out some MANZ. And on the other side of the table the WAAGH! Nearly caught another group of marines had it not been for a wall of death over watch from flamers. Orks were on the losing side but seemed to have staying power. I actually kind of liked the Mob Rule! mechanic. It seemed to keep those smaller groups in the fight and it actually never claimed a victim due to some good rolling.

Of course need to play more but I liked the new dex.

Why would you charge a unit with flamers? You shoot them from across the table with lootas or close with shoota boyz. Or you charge them with KFF and FNP saves.

The Ghaz codex lets you field an Apoc Green Tide unit in regular 40k, that's all I need. 100 boyz, warboss with a lucky stikk and another IC with a Big Bosspole. Fearless, WS +1, rerolling boss dice. Put some KFF on the front and a painboy in the back... it's gonna be beautiful...

 TedNugent wrote:

 Chute82 wrote:
It's a typical GW codex. The models no body bought or used went down in pts and the units people typically used went up in pts.

Well bro you've just gotta throw out all your models and buy all the new ones, otherwise you're just a crybaby.]

You do realise that miniatures have a value beyond powergaming?

morgoth wrote:

 Zagman wrote:
You couldn't have picked one of the other bitch threads? Was a new thread necessary.


You don't even have the Codex yet. Chill out, there will be some good builds that come out of the Codex, that is apparent already.
If you were afraid of getting Boyz in CC, maybe Orks is the wrong army.


Please stop your bitching, don't waste space with this thread, wait for the codex, and play it and adapt with the times. It's not on par with Eldar, but it certainly going to be around middle of the pack.

Please stop wasting time and space when there are many Ork bitch threads all over the place already.

Who gave you the right to insult other forum members ?

complaining about people conplaining is not insulting them. He is just angry that as usual the 40k community is complaining.

I have an idea, let's derail this already hilarious thread with actual discussion. We'll get a bitch thread locked by going off topic with something relevant to the game.



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darkcloak wrote:
I have an idea, let's derail this already hilarious thread with actual discussion. We'll get a bitch thread locked by going off topic with something relevant to the game.

Like what's the best conversion for the old Trukks? Make em Buggies?

Buggies suck!

Make them into a Stompa!!!!!!!!!!!

Experience with orks: player tries to play seriously, loses very badly. Goofs around and makes a fun list, ROFL stomps people into the ground.

 The Home Nuggeteer wrote:

morgoth wrote:

 Zagman wrote:
You couldn't have picked one of the other bitch threads? Was a new thread necessary.


You don't even have the Codex yet. Chill out, there will be some good builds that come out of the Codex, that is apparent already.
If you were afraid of getting Boyz in CC, maybe Orks is the wrong army.


Please stop your bitching, don't waste space with this thread, wait for the codex, and play it and adapt with the times. It's not on par with Eldar, but it certainly going to be around middle of the pack.

Please stop wasting time and space when there are many Ork bitch threads all over the place already.

Who gave you the right to insult other forum members ?

complaining about people conplaining is not insulting them. He is just angry that as usual the 40k community is complaining.

No, I think it was quite clear he was trying to be insulting by the quote "Please stop your bitching, don't waste space with this thread" and "Please stop wasting time and space when there are many Ork bitch threads all over the place already" and personally I don't really care if he is angry or not, it gives him no excuse to attack another's opinion. at all. Just another GW White Knight wanting everyone to be a yes man.

Anyho back to the topic.

I just got my codex today, and yes I had a game against the bugs, in which I won by 1 VP, it was a good game as it was down to the wire and there will be a BatRep of it uploaded soon by yours truly

Here are my first impressions of the Codex:

What I liked:

Stompas now in the codex. This beast was a great unit, very expensive but a fun great unit and I will be very bold so say that it's not OP for a super-heavy walker

New Upgrades (Gifts of Gork and Mork): Really liked this, especially Da Shiny Shoota, and Da Finkin Kap, only wished my Warboss stayed alive long enough to use the Killchoppa..

What I don't like:

Mob Rule: while I did not have many units of boys as my points sank into the Stompa I did get into combat with enemy units, and it really takes its toll, I mean it really hurt to be in assault with Hormagaunts, (yes you did hear that right), and honestly once I get more games under my belt I really do think this rule will impact upon the Orks in a big negative way imo..

Lack of Inv Saves: This is killer, as I found out with my Warboss, that because we don't have Inv saves even the hardest on multi-wound modes will be barraged and slapped around like abuse cute and fluffy animals, personally this may frustrate me in the future, and tbh I can see that happening..

No FoC Swapping: This already frustrated me in the first place tbh, and I feel restricted because of this, and to me it makes Orks lacks flavour of unit selection imo..

Orks are still I: 2: So they strike at the same time as a Necron and a Fire Warrior? no I really don't bite that..

Loss of WAAAGGH!!! Plane and Fighta Ace: Yeah I used the Dakkajet and personally, losing WAAAGH!!! plane was one thing but I really don't like the Fightaboss rule as I now have to hit majority of ground units as BS2, which I dislike.

Personally whilst I liked the option for Wazdakka and Old Zogwart, I never really picked them anyway so they make no difference to me (but I can see why people would be ticked off).

Conclusion: The Ork codex changed, it got a few new shiny stuff here and there, and I really need to get a few more games under my belt before I can come into a final judgement about the book, but I honestly feel as if the codex is a bit... bland if I do say so myself, there's a lot of sauce, but no beef to go with it so to say, I feel as if they went a bit safe with the Ork codex, and not added many things that would sort of hit the nail in the coffin so to say again..

Like I say I personally feel that I need more games under my belt to get a full, fair and final judgement on the book, but that is where I stand with it at the moment imo..

Was just looking at the new MANz.. 49 euros for 3 infantry sprues, is that the new record at 16,33€ per sprue?

I've been giving the Ork book and Ghazghkull book a good readthrough, and I really like the new format with it being the same as how White Dwarf was done for Flash Gitz, etc.

I also have to say that the Ghazghkull book definitely brings some fun, fluffy things in there with very few limitations. The biggest one is things like the Mega Nobz formation(Ghazghkull's Bully Boyz) requiring minimum sized 5 man units of Mega Nobz rather than the minimum of 3.

The Zagstruk formation would be hilarious to run with full 30 man Storm Boyz mobs and the special rule of fielding all three Storm Boyz Mobs.

 prowla wrote:
Was just looking at the new MANz.. 49 euros for 3 infantry sprues, is that the new record at 16,33€ per sprue?

This says it all really. About the same price as kromlech versions - but with a ton more parts. looking at the sprues, you get a complete KFF so you can, for instance, make a regular KFF mek, or put on one a bike etc, for pennies. And at our local store, which discounts, they'll be around 20 per cent cheaper than kromlech.

Not everything GW do is laudable, I personally hate the cut n paste mentality of some recent plastic designs, like the tyranid Crone. But the Manz look easily competitive with most of the rival stuff out there. And if you don't love that little oiler grot than you, sir, have a heart of stone.

Have had a good look through now, shame to see we have to refer to white dwarf for rules on looted wagons. But hey ho, not a huge issue.

Having compared my 1850 list to my 6th 1850 list there is not a huge difference. Jets cost a little more, added in some flash Gitz (simply because they look awesome).

As for playing them..... Remains to be seen in reality, the charge bonuses will be powerful, but having to take a painboy as a HQ choice and with cybork bodies being altered with how they work it may affect things in a negative way.

Whatever happens, orks will still be great fun to play, we now have loads of really useable units, the new walker, the big gunz etc etc.... So enjoy painting the new models and then sending some dakka towards some 'umies!!!!!

 happygolucky wrote:

Yeah I used the Dakkajet and personally, losing WAAAGH!!! plane was one thing but I really don't like the Fightaboss rule as I now have to hit majority of ground units as BS2, which I dislike.

You must have missed that the Dakkajet now gets Strafing Run!

 Kanluwen wrote:
I also have to say that the Ghazghkull book definitely brings some fun, fluffy things in there with very few limitations.

What that atrocity of a supplement brings is that every Ork unit under 10 models strong fails Mob Size on a 2+

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 happygolucky wrote:

Yeah I used the Dakkajet and personally, losing WAAAGH!!! plane was one thing but I really don't like the Fightaboss rule as I now have to hit majority of ground units as BS2, which I dislike.

You must have missed that the Dakkajet now gets Strafing Run!

Strafing run still exists?

 streamdragon wrote:
Now Orks. They could have done something with Orks. Given them something. You'd think with a 3 edition old codex, they would have seized the opportunity to do something exciting. Maybe throw Klan rules back in ala the Chapter Tactics of Space Marines; nope, nothing. Maybe put Minderz back in for Weirdboyz and make them a proper unit choice; nope, Weirdboyz still have 0 options beyond upping their ML. We got the Tyranid treatment: seemingly arbitrary changes in points (and sometimes FOC slots), nerfs in places we were strong (but hey, when the strong get nerfed internal balance is achieved!), and giving us back a few things that were taken away (sup Waaagh). Then they call it a day.

They could have made the Orks codex great. They could have done something.

But they didn't.

This. Man, why is this so hard for some people to understand.

Why do I feel that my Orks are worse off now than before...

Cybork going from 5+ invuln to 6+ fnp is pretty much just removing it from the codex as paying 5 pts for a 6+ save is a waste of points.The bottom line here is that Cybork was removed and not replaced at all.

RPJ is pretty much gone too...I guess the Red ones don't go faster after all.

Mob rule....so your blobs can continue to kill themselves even while not being shot at...pretty much says don't bother with large blobs anymore unless you can make them fearless.

Apparently Killa Kans were dominating the tournament circuit and just had to be nerfed into uselessness.

I don't think ill be purchasing anymore Ork models anytime soon...

Minijack wrote:
Why do I feel that my Orks are worse off now than before...

Cybork going from 5+ invuln to 6+ fnp is pretty much just removing it from the codex as paying 5 pts for a 6+ save is a waste of points.The bottom line here is that Cybork was removed and not replaced at all.

RPJ is pretty much gone too...I guess the Red ones don't go faster after all.

Mob rule....so your blobs can continue to kill themselves even while not being shot at...pretty much says don't bother with large blobs anymore unless you can make them fearless.

Apparently Killa Kans were dominating the tournament circuit and just had to be nerfed into uselessness.

I don't think ill be purchasing anymore Ork models anytime soon...

One of my armies is CSM. Because of the poopiness of the codex as well as the heldrake nerf (in the midst of no fixes to all the other crap), I too have promised not to buy any more GW products for at least the rest of this year. I guess I go a little farther than just not buying from my specific army, but the way I look at it if you don't play SM, or one of the more popular SM factions, Eldar, or AM, you can expect to have a non-competitive army. Try out Drop Zone Command. Much more balanced and fun!

I have the codex and I am pissed. No new big thing that has d weapon or some new thing thats overpowered in the right use. Nothing at all. Same old models, worse rules. Hell the points should of been reduced by half if they expect numbers to win the day with the gak thats out there right now.

WTF is up with the mob rule. How was it so broken that it had to be fixed in such a harsh way. With all the crazy gak that every new imperium codex gets, wave after wave, of new technology and techniques that make even more powerful units, orks get nothing. Wtf is Ghaz being LOW. From purely game play perspective wtf. feth the fluffy reason. The only good named guy in the book and now you have to take him when your facing super heavy walker spam lists. How the hell do they think any of this makes sense? Stuff that worked is nerfed to hell, stuff that was useless was buffed but not enough to warrant points, again. Every thing still dies if your opponent sneezes on the table. Hard boy armor costing almost as much as another ork and its still just 4+. Nerf to cybork body, Nerf to red paint job, nerf to fnp. Nerf to kff, I guess games workshop really has become a garbage miniatures company that used to make good rules. For as long as its been a bad codex, at least give us ork players something to want to play again. Hell if you made some big powerful expensive unit we would drop the money for it, but not you just regurgitate models and nerfed rules.

I predict the prices of orks on ebay are going to drop because of supply soon. Sometimes I wonder if GW actually created the original 40k or if they bought ti from some smart person.