he judicial power shall extend to all cases, in law and equity, arising under this Constitution, the laws of the United States, and treaties made, or which shall be made, under their authority;--to all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls;--to all cases of admiralty and maritime jurisdiction;--to controversies to which the United States shall be a party;--to controversies between two or more states;--between a state and citizens of another state;--between citizens of different states;--between citizens of the same state claiming lands under grants of different states, and between a state, or the citizens thereof, and foreign states, citizens or subjects.

 d-usa wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:


blah blah blah

There is really no point in my replying to stuff you post when it is pretty clear to anybody that you either don't read anything you post or don't understand it.

But just to clarify answer these two simple questions:

1) Do you believe that a pollice officer is violating the law when he ignores that you are speeding and chooses to deal with a rape instead?

2) Do you honestly belive that every single memo you posted that specifically states "this deals with children that have been in the country for at least 5 years prior to this memo being issued in 2011" is an amnesty program for children that have been in the country for 1 day in 2014?




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 Jihadin wrote:

Missed your fist question. What's your explanation of the infux of unaccompanied children crossing the border D-USA.

Children fleeing poverty and gang wars trying to find a better life while also thinking (mistakenly ) that we have some sort of amnesty program for children despite the state department actively buying advertisement on central American radio and TV stations to inform them that we do not have an amnesty program and that their children will be send back once they are captured if they even survive the journey here.

Of course it doesn't help that we have idiots on TV who keep on claiming that Obama has issued amnesty to everyone and is inviting all the world's children to climb the fence and swim the river to freedom.


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 dogma wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:

Look up DACA . It was implemented in July 2012

I don't see how the Morton Memo contradicts DACA. Indeed, DACA seems to reiterate, and clarify, the points laid out in the Morton Memo.

And here is the quick and dirty on DACA:

A grant of deferred removal action does not confer lawful immigration status, alter an individual’s existing immigration status, or provide a path to citizenship. It does not do anything in violation of any congressional laws or action other than choose not to enforce it with this group and focusing on enforcing it on another group as well.

Individuals who request deferred action must have:
- Been under the age of 31 on June 15, 2012
- Arrived to the United States before reaching their 16th birthday
- Continuously resided in the United States from June 15, 2007 (last five years) to [June 15, 2012]
- Been physically present in the United States on June 15, 2012, as well as at the time of requesting deferred action from USCIS;
- Entered without inspection before June 15, 2012, or had any lawful immigration status expired on or before June 15, 2012
- Been in school at the time of application, or have already graduated or obtained a certificate of completion from high school, or have obtained a general education development (GED) -certificate, or are an honorably discharged veteran of the U.S. Coast Guard or the U.S. Armed Forces
- Not been convicted of a felony, significant misdemeanor, or three or more other misdemeanors, and do not otherwise pose a threat to national security or public safety

To pretend that DACA has even a shred of authority over children that came here in the last 2 years and 15 days is just stupid.

 Jihadin wrote:

Upon arrival they are taking to their families/relatives living either illegal or legally within the US. They cannot be deported due to policies within (Morton memo's) ICE.
Unaccompanied Minors fall under "Refugee Status" and also qualify for protection due to Human Trafficking laws.

SEC. 212. INTERIM ASSISTANCE FOR CHILDREN.

(a) IN GENERAL.—Section 107(b)(1) of the Trafficking Victims Protection Act of 2000 (22 U.S.C. 7105(b)(1)) is amended— (1) in subparagraph (E)(i)(I), by inserting ‘‘or is unable to cooperate with such a request due to physical or psychological trauma’’ before the semicolon; and (2) by adding at the end the following: ‘‘(F) ELIGIBILITY FOR INTERIM ASSISTANCE OF CHILDREN.— ‘‘
(i) DETERMINATION.—Upon receiving credible information that a child described in subparagraph (C)(ii)(I) who is seeking assistance under this paragraph may have been subjected to a severe form of trafficking in persons, the Secretary of Health and Human Services shall promptly determine if the child is eligible for interim assistance under this paragraph. The Secretary shall have exclusive authority to make interim eligibility determinations under this clause. A determination of interim eligibility under this clause shall not affect the independent determination whether a child is a victim of a severe form of trafficking. ‘‘
(ii) NOTIFICATION.—The Secretary of Health and Human Services shall notify the Attorney General and the Secretary of Homeland Security not later than 24 hours after all interim eligibility determinations have been made under clause (i).‘‘
(iii) DURATION.—Assistance under this paragraph may be provided to individuals determined to be eligible under clause (i) for a period of up to 90 days and may be extended for an additional 30 days.
(iv) LONG-TERM ASSISTANCE FOR CHILDREN.— ‘‘
(I) ELIGIBILITY DETERMINATION.—Before the expiration of the period for interim assistance under clause (iii), the Secretary of Health and Human Services shall determine if the child referred to in clause (i) is eligible for assistance under this paragraph. ‘
(II) CONSULTATION.—In making a determination under subclause (I), the Secretary shall consult with the Attorney General, the Secretary of Homeland Security, and nongovernmental organizations with expertise on victims of severe form of trafficking. ‘‘
(III) LETTER OF ELIGIBILITY.—If the Secretary, after receiving information the Secretary believes, taken as a whole, indicates that the child is eligible for assistance under this paragraph, the Secretary shall issue a letter of eligibility. The Secretary may not require that the child cooperate with law enforcement as a condition for receiving such letter of eligibility. ‘‘(G) NOTIFICATION OF CHILDREN FOR INTERIM ASSIST-ANCE.—Not later than 24 hours after a Federal, State, or local official discovers that a person who is under 18 years of age may be a victim of a severe form of trafficking in persons, the official shall notify the Secretary of Health and Human Services to facilitate the provision of interim assistance under subparagraph (F).’’.
(b) TRAINING OF GOVERNMENT PERSONNEL.—Section 107(c)(4) of the Trafficking Victims Protection Act of 2000 (22 U.S.C. 7105(c)(4)) is amended— (1) by inserting ‘‘, the Department of Homeland Security, the Department of Health and Human Services,’’ after ‘‘the Department of State’’; and (2) by inserting ‘‘, including juvenile victims. The Attorney General and the Secretary of Health and Human Services shall provide training to State and local officials to improve the identification and protection of such victims’’ before the period at the end.

 Jihadin wrote:

But just to clarify answer these two simple questions:

1) Do you believe that a pollice officer is violating the law when he ignores that you are speeding and chooses to deal with a rape instead?

2) Do you honestly belive that every single memo you posted that specifically states "this deals with children that have been in the country for at least 5 years prior to this memo being issued in 2011" is an amnesty program for children that have been in the country for 1 day in 2014?

Connect it with '"Advance Parole" for those in DACA. Also the Unaccompanied Minors who can do "Advance Parole" mention on page 1
Also since your hammering me on my inability to read a memo. You might apply it to yourself to.

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 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
As has every politician before him, from every party that has ever existed.

 d-usa wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:

Upon arrival they are taking to their families/relatives living either illegal or legally within the US. They cannot be deported due to policies within (Morton memo's) ICE.
Unaccompanied Minors fall under "Refugee Status" and also qualify for protection due to Human Trafficking laws.

So somehow Obama and his Executive Orders are circumventing congress as evidenced by complying with the William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008 Section 212 passed without any objection by Boehmer?


No idea why your challenging this since there was established laws. Thanks for clarifying for others. I will mention the money paid to "Coyotes" by parents on some to bring them across the border.

SEC. 212. INTERIM ASSISTANCE FOR CHILDREN.

(a) IN GENERAL.—Section 107(b)(1) of the Trafficking Victims Protection Act of 2000 (22 U.S.C. 7105(b)(1)) is amended— (1) in subparagraph (E)(i)(I), by inserting ‘‘or is unable to cooperate with such a request due to physical or psychological trauma’’ before the semicolon; and (2) by adding at the end the following: ‘‘(F) ELIGIBILITY FOR INTERIM ASSISTANCE OF CHILDREN.— ‘‘
(i) DETERMINATION.—Upon receiving credible information that a child described in subparagraph (C)(ii)(I) who is seeking assistance under this paragraph may have been subjected to a severe form of trafficking in persons, the Secretary of Health and Human Services shall promptly determine if the child is eligible for interim assistance under this paragraph. The Secretary shall have exclusive authority to make interim eligibility determinations under this clause. A determination of interim eligibility under this clause shall not affect the independent determination whether a child is a victim of a severe form of trafficking. ‘‘
(ii) NOTIFICATION.—The Secretary of Health and Human Services shall notify the Attorney General and the Secretary of Homeland Security not later than 24 hours after all interim eligibility determinations have been made under clause (i).‘‘
(iii) DURATION.—Assistance under this paragraph may be provided to individuals determined to be eligible under clause (i) for a period of up to 90 days and may be extended for an additional 30 days.
(iv) LONG-TERM ASSISTANCE FOR CHILDREN.— ‘‘
(I) ELIGIBILITY DETERMINATION.—Before the expiration of the period for interim assistance under clause (iii), the Secretary of Health and Human Services shall determine if the child referred to in clause (i) is eligible for assistance under this paragraph. ‘
(II) CONSULTATION.—In making a determination under subclause (I), the Secretary shall consult with the Attorney General, the Secretary of Homeland Security, and nongovernmental organizations with expertise on victims of severe form of trafficking. ‘‘
(III) LETTER OF ELIGIBILITY.—If the Secretary, after receiving information the Secretary believes, taken as a whole, indicates that the child is eligible for assistance under this paragraph, the Secretary shall issue a letter of eligibility. The Secretary may not require that the child cooperate with law enforcement as a condition for receiving such letter of eligibility. ‘‘(G) NOTIFICATION OF CHILDREN FOR INTERIM ASSIST-ANCE.—Not later than 24 hours after a Federal, State, or local official discovers that a person who is under 18 years of age may be a victim of a severe form of trafficking in persons, the official shall notify the Secretary of Health and Human Services to facilitate the provision of interim assistance under subparagraph (F).’’.
(b) TRAINING OF GOVERNMENT PERSONNEL.—Section 107(c)(4) of the Trafficking Victims Protection Act of 2000 (22 U.S.C. 7105(c)(4)) is amended— (1) by inserting ‘‘, the Department of Homeland Security, the Department of Health and Human Services,’’ after ‘‘the Department of State’’; and (2) by inserting ‘‘, including juvenile victims. The Attorney General and the Secretary of Health and Human Services shall provide training to State and local officials to improve the identification and protection of such victims’’ before the period at the end.

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 Jihadin wrote:

But just to clarify answer these two simple questions:

1) Do you believe that a pollice officer is violating the law when he ignores that you are speeding and chooses to deal with a rape instead?

Stick with Immigration. Because we all drive over the speed limit and we never know what response a LEO is going to. Nice try though

2) Do you honestly belive that every single memo you posted that specifically states "this deals with children that have been in the country for at least 5 years prior to this memo being issued in 2011" is an amnesty program for children that have been in the country for 1 day in 2014?

You answered this for me already about DACA On the memo's I showed the other effects that you did not get being you were all on DACA.

Connect it with '"Advance Parole" for those in DACA. Also the Unaccompanied Minors who can do "Advance Parole" mention on page 1
Also since your hammering me on my inability to read a memo. You might apply it to yourself to.

Go ahead and answer Question 1 and Question 2.

And I'm just going to ask Question 3 and 4:

3) What do you think "advance parole" actually is and how does it circumvent laws passed by congress?
4) Who do you think "advance parole" actually applies to.

Advance Parole started 22 Mar 13

Which is relevant how? Does it change who is covered under DACA?

 sebster wrote:
Uh huh, and I assume if you're smart enough to recognise that, then I'm left to assume that you didn't repeat any of the nonsense from all those politicians before. And yet this time you did, and I'm asking why.

To repeat the question, why did you claim that this move was bi-partisan and that you would continue to believe it was bi-partisan until a democratic member of the committee (which hasn't even met on the issue yet) came out and stated they weren't in favour of the issue, and just for fun did you think it was Pelosi or Reid who was more likely to support this?

 d-usa wrote:
So DACA doesn't cover anybody that came here after July 2012.

And Advance Parole for Daca doesn't cover anybody here after July 2012.

An individual that falls under DACA can still apply Advance Parole for those outside the US as can a Unaccompanied Minor. The form will more likely be revised 3 Mar 16 or it expires.

So neither of those have anything to do with the current crisis and neither of which violate any federal law.

You mention already the influx of Unaccompanied Minors thinking DACA. Morton Memo giving new guide lines within ICE

And Advance Parole for people that are not already in the US is very temporary, hard to get, and is specifically authorized by Federal Law that was passed by congress. So how is Obama violating federal law here?

Once here cannot be deported because they do not fall under the priority of ICE that was establish by the Mormon Memo's. Advance parole is decided by Immigration Lawyers and their Superiors. Which is sent to USCIS for adjudication which ensures everything is correct on the form. They are not hard to "get". There is no immigration judge involve to approve it

How is the fact that Coyotes lie to people to make money off them Obama's fault?

False impression they fall under DACA. Once arrive they fall under what was discussed above. Both are eligible to apply for Advance Parole

And you still have not told us if you think that a cop that doesn't pull you over for a broken tail light has broken the law, why you think Obama is violating federal laws by complying with federal laws that Boehmer supported and Bush signed.

Because there is no limit for an individual to apply for Advance Parole. Refer to question 3. above

You type a lot, but none of it backs up what you say.

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

Well Sebster I assume that you are smart enough to recognize that if something does get passed by a bi-partisan panel that the typical view is that it is a bi-partisan measure until such times as someone says otherwise (typically members from one party who say that they were out voted)

 Jihadin wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
So DACA doesn't cover anybody that came here after July 2012.

And Advance Parole for Daca doesn't cover anybody here after July 2012.

An individual that falls under DACA can still apply Advance Parole for those outside the US as can a Unaccompanied Minor. The form will more likely be revised 3 Mar 16 or it expires.

So neither of those have anything to do with the current crisis and neither of which violate any federal law.

You mention already the influx of Unaccompanied Minors thinking DACA. Morton Memo giving new guide lines within ICE

And Advance Parole for people that are not already in the US is very temporary, hard to get, and is specifically authorized by Federal Law that was passed by congress. So how is Obama violating federal law here?

Once here cannot be deported because they do not fall under the priority of ICE that was establish by the Mormon Memo's. Advance parole is decided by Immigration Lawyers and their Superiors. Which is sent to USCIS for adjudication which ensures everything is correct on the form. They are not hard to "get". There is no immigration judge involve to approve it

How is the fact that Coyotes lie to people to make money off them Obama's fault?

False impression they fall under DACA. Once arrive they fall under what was discussed above. Both are eligible to apply for Advance Parole

And you still have not told us if you think that a cop that doesn't pull you over for a broken tail light has broken the law, why you think Obama is violating federal laws by complying with federal laws that Boehmer supported and Bush signed.

Because there is no limit for an individual to apply for Advance Parole. Refer to question 3. above

You type a lot, but none of it backs up what you say.

Which doesn't have anything to do with anybody that has entered the country after July 2012

hich doesn't have anything to do with anybody that has entered the country after July 2012.

Unless he is a secret time traveler and traveled back to 2012 in his secret time machine to write a memo that doesn't affect the future at all.

You fail to answer how Obama is violating federal law by following federal law.

Nobody that has arrived here in the last two years falls under DACA. If Coyotes are telling people that they are they are lying to them, and that's not anything you can sue Obama over. If you believe that they fall under DACA then Boehmer can't sue Obama for your failure to understand what you are talking about.

Take whatever scenario you want. A cop doesn't pull you over for speeding to respond to a murder rape instead. A cop doesn't pull you over for a broken tail-light to respond to a rape instead. A cop ignoring a lesser crime to respond to a higher priority crime. Are all of them violating the law.

You are the one making a lot of crazy claims here, would be nice if you could back up a single one of them. But none of your conclusions make much sense here.

Trying to keep up with your reality is giving me a headache though.

 Jihadin wrote:
First. You do know Morton memo's are still in effect in ICE? If not then show me the memo's that takes precedence over them.

Which doesn't have anything to do with anybody that has entered the country after July 2012

.

Show me the memo's that cancel out Morton memo's

hich doesn't have anything to do with anybody that has entered the country after July 2012.

Unless he is a secret time traveler and traveled back to 2012 in his secret time machine to write a memo that doesn't affect the future at all.

Again. Show me the memo's that took out the guide lines that establish Morton memo's

You fail to answer how Obama is violating federal law by following federal law.

DACA/Advance Parole/Exploitation/Morton Memo's

Nobody that has arrived here in the last two years falls under DACA. If Coyotes are telling people that they are they are lying to them, and that's not anything you can sue Obama over. If you believe that they fall under DACA then Boehmer can't sue Obama for your failure to understand what you are talking about.

DACA/Advance Parole/Exploitation/Morton Memo's.

An individual under DACA can fill out as many Advance Paroles they can get away with. There is no limits on how many can be filled out. DACA Lawyers make the decisions due to Morton memo's.

Take whatever scenario you want. A cop doesn't pull you over for speeding to respond to a murder rape instead. A cop doesn't pull you over for a broken tail-light to respond to a rape instead. A cop ignoring a lesser crime to respond to a higher priority crime. Are all of them violating the law.

You are the one making a lot of crazy claims here, would be nice if you could back up a single one of them. But none of your conclusions make much sense here.

Trying to keep up with your reality is giving me a headache though.

Welcome to Immigration Laws. What you think is suppose to be is not. Connect the dots

DACA
Advance Parole (no limit) which has priority over Visa process and is quickly done.
Exploitation of Advance Parole
No deportation

BREAKING: White House: Boehner won't set immigration vote this year; Obama to pursue changes on his own.

— The Associated Press (@AP) June 30, 2014

Which doesn't have anything to do with anybody that has entered the country after July 2012.

Unless he is a secret time traveler and traveled back to 2012 in his secret time machine to write a memo that doesn't affect the future at all.

 Jihadin wrote:
Your looking at Morton Memo for reference DACA. I posted earlier what the memo effected.
You made reference

Which doesn't have anything to do with anybody that has entered the country after July 2012.

Unless he is a secret time traveler and traveled back to 2012 in his secret time machine to write a memo that doesn't affect the future at all.

Which is effecting the present and the future. I keep getting the impression you think Morton memo was a just for one time frame.

Individuals fall under DACA
Individuals who fall under DACA fill out Advance Parole for someone outside the US. Look at the guide lines required for someone to enter. No limitation on the amount of Advance Parole filed
Advance Parole document is reviewed by Immigration lawyer.
Immigration lawyer can decide if justification is good enough to warrant the individual in the Advance Parole can come to the US legally under Advance Parole
Sends to USCIS who ensures everything is correct
Individual arrives. time expires. Cannot be deported.
DACA/Advance parole is being exploited.

DACA recipients are priority for Advance Parole. Takes precedent over Visa

 whembly wrote:
Well... alrighty then...

BREAKING: White House: Boehner won't set immigration vote this year; Obama to pursue changes on his own.

— The Associated Press (@AP) June 30, 2014

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 whembly wrote:
Well... alrighty then...

BREAKING: White House: Boehner won't set immigration vote this year; Obama to pursue changes on his own.

— The Associated Press (@AP) June 30, 2014

He's lost one battle, now he's racing off to fight another

 whembly wrote:

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 whembly wrote:
Well... alrighty then...

BREAKING: White House: Boehner won't set immigration vote this year; Obama to pursue changes on his own.

— The Associated Press (@AP) June 30, 2014

He's lost one battle, now he's racing off to fight another

I pulled that off my twitter feed and... I know it's the AP... but, I seriously doubt it's framed this way.

Seriously, think about this: Is Obama claiming that Congress' choice not to pass a law constitutes an abandonment of constitutional power, and then that power flows precisely to the President????

Mr. President, if you want Immigration Reform so badly, work with Congress. Give them something they can't refuse... y'know? Negotiate!

 whembly wrote:
I pulled that off my twitter feed and... I know it's the AP... but, I seriously doubt it's framed this way.

Seriously, think about this: Is Obama claiming that Congress' choice not to pass a law constitutes an abandonment of constitutional power, and then that power flows precisely to the President????

Mr. President, if you want Immigration Reform so badly, work with Congress. Give them something they can't refuse... y'know? Negotiate!

It's their fault, President Barack Obama said Monday in blaming Republican inaction on immigration reform for escalating problems including a surge of undocumented children crossing the border from Mexico.
At a hastily scheduled Rose Garden appearance, Obama said House Speaker John Boehner told him last week that the chamber's GOP majority he leads will continue blocking a vote on a Senate-passed immigration bill.
In response, Obama said he was starting "a new effort to fix as much of our immigration system as I can on my own, without Congress," adding that he directed his team to recommend steps he can take this summer and that he would then act on those steps "without delay."
"The failure of House Republicans to pass a darn bill is bad for our security, is bad for our economy, is bad for our future," the President said. "America cannot wait forever for them to ask."
Obama to ask Congress for emergency funds
Obama's statement sought to vilify Republicans for the failure to get congressional approval for immigration reform, an issue important to his base.
"Pass a bill. Solve a problem. Don't just say no on something that everybody agrees needs to be done," he said, repeating his contention that a bill would pass if Boehner allowed it to come to a vote in the House.
Conservative Republicans oppose the Senate plan passed last year with bipartisan support because it includes a pathway to legal status for immigrants living illegally in the United States.
They also fear that such a reform measure would bolster already strong Democratic support among Hispanic Americans, the nation's largest minority.
For his part, Boehner said Monday that Republicans don't trust Obama to enforce laws they might pass.
"Until that changes, it is going to be difficult to make progress on this issue," he said in a statement after Obama spoke. "The crisis at our southern border reminds us all of the critical importance of fixing our broken immigration system."
He continued, "It is sad and disappointing that -- faced with this challenge -- President Obama won't work with us, but is instead intent on going it alone with executive orders that can't and won't fix these problems."
Boehner noted that previous executive action by Obama to halt deportations of some undocumented children led to the current border crisis by "giving false hope to children and their families that if they enter the country illegally they will be allowed to stay."
In his statement, Obama announced he was ordering a shift in security resources to border regions, and he promised the additional action he can take "without Congress but within his existing authorities to fix as much of our broken immigration system as we can."
The President also sent Congress a letter asking that legislators work with him on providing additional money and leeway to deal with the situation on the southern border.
On Sunday, an administration official told CNN the money -- which could exceed $2 billion -- would go to securing appropriate space for the detention of children but also stemming the tide of immigrants.
The government hopes to increase its ability to investigate and dismantle smuggling organizations as well as quickly return children and adults to their home countries if they do not qualify for asylum, according to that official.
So far, the federal government has struggled to process and accommodate the influx of illegal human traffic but specifically the spike in children.
U.S. authorities estimate that between 60,000 to 80,000 children without parents will cross the border this year in what the White House is calling an "immediate humanitarian crisis."
Earlier in June, the White House announced a plan to spend millions in a government-wide response by sending aide to governments in Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador to help with crime and violence prevention.
In mid-June, Vice President Joe Biden also spoke with leaders in the three countries as well as Mexico about working together to promote security.
Biden's objective was to emphasize that adults arriving with their children in the United States don't meet the requirements for a policy that defers deportation for children brought to the United States before June 15, 2012.
Obama also spoke with Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto about the issue and has warned families who see the dangerous trip as the best option for their children.

squidhills wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 whembly wrote:
Well... alrighty then...

BREAKING: White House: Boehner won't set immigration vote this year; Obama to pursue changes on his own.

— The Associated Press (@AP) June 30, 2014

He's lost one battle, now he's racing off to fight another

I pulled that off my twitter feed and... I know it's the AP... but, I seriously doubt it's framed this way.

Seriously, think about this: Is Obama claiming that Congress' choice not to pass a law constitutes an abandonment of constitutional power, and then that power flows precisely to the President????

Mr. President, if you want Immigration Reform so badly, work with Congress. Give them something they can't refuse... y'know? Negotiate!

Nobody on the Republican side wants to negotiate. They can't bear to give Obama anything close to a win for anything, ever. Congress is a non-starter.

 d-usa wrote:
Nothing with amnesty will ever pass the House. Anything without amnesty is a conservative wet dream that won't fix anything and will never pass the senate.

It's a stale mate and it really is a case of the conservative powers in the house refusing to give an inch.

 d-usa wrote:
Does it have amnesty? Then no.

 whembly wrote:

squidhills wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 whembly wrote:
Well... alrighty then...

BREAKING: White House: Boehner won't set immigration vote this year; Obama to pursue changes on his own.

— The Associated Press (@AP) June 30, 2014

He's lost one battle, now he's racing off to fight another

I pulled that off my twitter feed and... I know it's the AP... but, I seriously doubt it's framed this way.

Seriously, think about this: Is Obama claiming that Congress' choice not to pass a law constitutes an abandonment of constitutional power, and then that power flows precisely to the President????

Mr. President, if you want Immigration Reform so badly, work with Congress. Give them something they can't refuse... y'know? Negotiate!

Nobody on the Republican side wants to negotiate. They can't bear to give Obama anything close to a win for anything, ever. Congress is a non-starter.

Bull... ca-ca.

Everyone has a price.

 d-usa wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
Your looking at Morton Memo for reference DACA. I posted earlier what the memo effected.
You made reference

Which doesn't have anything to do with anybody that has entered the country after July 2012.

Unless he is a secret time traveler and traveled back to 2012 in his secret time machine to write a memo that doesn't affect the future at all.

Which is effecting the present and the future. I keep getting the impression you think Morton memo was a just for one time frame.

Individuals fall under DACA
Individuals who fall under DACA fill out Advance Parole for someone outside the US. Look at the guide lines required for someone to enter. No limitation on the amount of Advance Parole filed
Advance Parole document is reviewed by Immigration lawyer.
Immigration lawyer can decide if justification is good enough to warrant the individual in the Advance Parole can come to the US legally under Advance Parole
Sends to USCIS who ensures everything is correct
Individual arrives. time expires. Cannot be deported.
DACA/Advance parole is being exploited.

DACA recipients are priority for Advance Parole. Takes precedent over Visa

Which affects anybody that entered the US after July 2012 how?

Because that is what your initial claim was: That all of this somehow resulted in all these kids coming across the border now and that is why Boehmer is suing.

 whembly wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
Does it have amnesty? Then no.

Sounds awfully like a Debt Ceiling fight.

Ya know... when Harry Reid (by extenstion, Obama) wouldn't negotiate with Republicans.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
Does it have amnesty? Then no.

Sounds awfully like a Debt Ceiling fight.

Ya know... when Harry Reid (by extenstion, Obama) wouldn't negotiate with Republicans.

Wasn't the dept ceiling fight just.
"Raise the debt ceiling."
"No."

 LordofHats wrote:
I can see Obama chasing this since he's a lame duck, but I'm skeptical his party will back him on it.

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
Well Sebster I assume that you are smart enough to recognize that if something does get passed by a bi-partisan panel that the typical view is that it is a bi-partisan measure until such times as someone says otherwise (typically members from one party who say that they were out voted)

I've actually been thinking about that...

So what? He can force it.

Do you think most of the democrats would revolt?