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So, having not seen it anywhere else, I thought I'd ask.

Chaos have a few artifacts and items that let them re-roll failed psychic tests... does that mean:
a) re-roll any/all of the dice used in a psychic test
b) re-roll any/all dice used in a deny the witch test (as the rule book states that a psychic test must be taken, albeit an altered one)
c) both
d) neither


Just got me new rule book so thought I'd ask before doing something wrong!

Von Chogg

roll all of them, the test is the number of dice rolled.

Look at the rules for rerolling under the core rules section. It says pick the dice you wish to reroll except if you're making a 2D6 or 3D6 roll you have to reroll all of the dice.

 Tonberry7 wrote:
Look at the rules for rerolling under the core rules section. It says pick the dice you wish to reroll except if you're making a 2D6 or 3D6 roll you have to reroll all of the dice.

Spell Familal says reroll the test, not reroll the dice.

 CrownAxe wrote:

 Tonberry7 wrote:
Look at the rules for rerolling under the core rules section. It says pick the dice you wish to reroll except if you're making a 2D6 or 3D6 roll you have to reroll all of the dice.

Spell Familal says reroll the test, not reroll the dice.

And the test is all the dice in the roll.

rigeld2 wrote:

 CrownAxe wrote:

 Tonberry7 wrote:
Look at the rules for rerolling under the core rules section. It says pick the dice you wish to reroll except if you're making a 2D6 or 3D6 roll you have to reroll all of the dice.

Spell Familal says reroll the test, not reroll the dice.

And the test is all the dice in the roll.

So if you roll 4 or more dice, RAW you can pick which ones to re-roll. Non CSM players are bound to disagree but Spell Familars are now well worth taking.

 Tonberry7 wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:

 CrownAxe wrote:

 Tonberry7 wrote:
Look at the rules for rerolling under the core rules section. It says pick the dice you wish to reroll except if you're making a 2D6 or 3D6 roll you have to reroll all of the dice.

Spell Familal says reroll the test, not reroll the dice.

And the test is all the dice in the roll.

So if you roll 4 or more dice, RAW you can pick which ones to re-roll. Non CSM players are bound to disagree but Spell Familars are now well worth taking.

No because a test is all the dice in the roll. So to reroll the test you have to reroll all the dice in the test

 Tonberry7 wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:

 CrownAxe wrote:

 Tonberry7 wrote:
Look at the rules for rerolling under the core rules section. It says pick the dice you wish to reroll except if you're making a 2D6 or 3D6 roll you have to reroll all of the dice.

Spell Familal says reroll the test, not reroll the dice.

And the test is all the dice in the roll.

So if you roll 4 or more dice, RAW you can pick which ones to re-roll. Non CSM players are bound to disagree but Spell Familars are now well worth taking.

What? How do you get that from my statement?
The test is all the dice in the roll. Not 3 or less.

Agreed with rigeld2, the Psychic Test is all of the dice in the roll, so a Spell Familiar would force you to re-roll all of the dice (not just the failures).

It's also worth mentioning that Spell Familiars can only be used on failed Psychic Tests, so you can't use one to re-roll a Perils result if it's still a pass.

That all said, it's still a great little piece of wargear, considering the added difficulty in passing a Psychic Test.

rigeld2 wrote:

 Tonberry7 wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:

 CrownAxe wrote:

 Tonberry7 wrote:
Look at the rules for rerolling under the core rules section. It says pick the dice you wish to reroll except if you're making a 2D6 or 3D6 roll you have to reroll all of the dice.

Spell Familal says reroll the test, not reroll the dice.

And the test is all the dice in the roll.

So if you roll 4 or more dice, RAW you can pick which ones to re-roll. Non CSM players are bound to disagree but Spell Familars are now well worth taking.

What? How do you get that from my statement?
The test is all the dice in the roll. Not 3 or less.

I get that from the rules for rerolling which are useful if you need to know how to reroll something. Alternatively you can just make up a rule that you have to reroll all the dice no matter how many dice are involved if that works better for you.

 Tonberry7 wrote:

I get that from the rules for rerolling which are useful if you need to know how to reroll something. Alternatively you can just make up a rule that you have to reroll all the dice no matter how many dice are involved if that works better for you.

I can't quite tell if you're trying to be sarcastic or not, but I'm afraid you are the one who is misinterpreting the rules.

The rules are very clear that you cannot simply pick and choose the dice you want to re-roll when it comes to re-rolling a test. You must re-roll all of the dice (the same way as if it was a scattering blast). If you roll 4 dice and use a spell familiar, you re-roll 4 dice.

DoW

 DogOfWar wrote:
The rules are very clear that you cannot simply pick and choose the dice you want to re-roll when it comes to re-rolling a test. You must re-roll all of the dice (the same way as if it was a scattering blast).

I understand your viewpoint and if you could point out some rules to back this up I'd be happy to concede.

Regarding your scattering blast example, they generally scatter 2D6 and the rules for rerolls specifically state that all dice in a 2D6 roll must be rerolled.

 Tonberry7 wrote:

 DogOfWar wrote:
The rules are very clear that you cannot simply pick and choose the dice you want to re-roll when it comes to re-rolling a test. You must re-roll all of the dice (the same way as if it was a scattering blast).

I understand your viewpoint and if you could point out some rules to back this up I'd be happy to concede.

Regarding your scattering blast example, they generally scatter 2D6 and the rules for rerolls specifically state that all dice in a 2D6 roll must be rerolled.

Rerolls.

If you re-roll a 2D6 or 3D6 roll, you must re-roll all of the dice, not just some of them, unless the rules specify otherwise. Any modifiers that applied to the first roll also apply to the re-roll.

Care to cite the rule from the reroll section that lets you only reroll one in the Psy Test ?

 Tonberry7 wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:

 Tonberry7 wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:

 CrownAxe wrote:

 Tonberry7 wrote:
Look at the rules for rerolling under the core rules section. It says pick the dice you wish to reroll except if you're making a 2D6 or 3D6 roll you have to reroll all of the dice.

Spell Familal says reroll the test, not reroll the dice.

And the test is all the dice in the roll.

So if you roll 4 or more dice, RAW you can pick which ones to re-roll. Non CSM players are bound to disagree but Spell Familars are now well worth taking.

What? How do you get that from my statement?
The test is all the dice in the roll. Not 3 or less.

I get that from the rules for rerolling which are useful if you need to know how to reroll something. Alternatively you can just make up a rule that you have to reroll all the dice no matter how many dice are involved if that works better for you.

I assume you're getting that from the directives on how to deal with 2d6 and 3d6 rolls, but no "etc" or "more"?
Cite permission to reroll more than a 3d6 roll.

Are you stating that all the dice involved are not a single test? Because the Spell Familiar allows you to reroll a test, not individual dice within a test.

 Tonberry7 wrote:

 DogOfWar wrote:
The rules are very clear that you cannot simply pick and choose the dice you want to re-roll when it comes to re-rolling a test. You must re-roll all of the dice (the same way as if it was a scattering blast).

I understand your viewpoint and if you could point out some rules to back this up I'd be happy to concede.

Regarding your scattering blast example, they generally scatter 2D6 and the rules for rerolls specifically state that all dice in a 2D6 roll must be rerolled.

This is a false dichotomy argument, but anyway here is why you are wrong and the specific rules reason why you are.

Yeah, you reroll all the dice of the psychic test. All the dice in the Psychic Test, not the ones you specifically fail. There's no RAW in order to reroll just your failures as individual failures are not in fact "Psychic tests" but in fact failure to harness warp charge.

Spell Familiar
May Reroll Failed Psychic Tests

Hollismason wrote:

 Tonberry7 wrote:

 DogOfWar wrote:
The rules are very clear that you cannot simply pick and choose the dice you want to re-roll when it comes to re-rolling a test. You must re-roll all of the dice (the same way as if it was a scattering blast).

I understand your viewpoint and if you could point out some rules to back this up I'd be happy to concede.

Regarding your scattering blast example, they generally scatter 2D6 and the rules for rerolls specifically state that all dice in a 2D6 roll must be rerolled.

This is a false dichotomy argument, but anyway here is why you are wrong and the specific rules reason why you are.

Yeah, you reroll all the dice of the psychic test. All the dice in the Psychic Test, not the ones you specifically fail. There's no RAW in order to reroll just your failures as individual failures are not in fact "Psychic tests" but in fact failure to harness warp charge.

Spell Familiar
May Reroll Failed Psychic Tests

Psychic Test
Take Psychic Test

To make a Psychic test, you will first need to expend a number of Warp Charge points; declare how many points you are spending and remove them from your pool. Then, roll a number of D6 equal to the number of Warp Charge points you have expended.

For each individual result of 4+, the Psyker has successfully harnessed one Warp Charge point. If the total number of harnessed Warp Charge points is greater than or equal to the Warp Charge cost stated in the psychic power’s description, the Psychic test is successful. Otherwise, the Psychic test has failed and the power does not manifest.

Individual dice rolls are not in fact "failures", they are "failures atharnessing Warp Charge", with in the game mechanics of Psychic tests. He has not failed a psychic test with in the psychic test rules , he has failed to harness Warp Charge Points


Spell familiar only lets you reroll failed Psychic Tests , not failure of harnessing warp charge dice rolls.

You have permission to re-roll the test. Not part of the test. The whole test. Pretty simple.