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So my friend already had 3 Riptides. I thought it was bit of a dick move seeing how strong they are. Now he went and bought three of those FW riptides, so he basicly fields 6 riptide-like things.

What is the biggest 'Blows riptides out of the water-unit' I can buy as a CSM player?

I'd rather not buy a chaos reaver titan, I'll tell you that much.

How about talking to him about it rather than just escalating?

I'm not sure there is one.

To be honest, I'd ask him why he's playing with those models. If it's because he really likes them as models, then that's ok, but if he admits it's because they're powerful (maybe too powerful) then I would consider whether you still want to be playing him with that attitude.

If you can take Psykers with Psychic Shriek that can hurt Riptides badly, but you need to get in range.

Best just talk to him and let him know why you don't want to face off against such a list.

Agreed. Talk it through and try to sort it out. If he's really a friend you should be able to. And if he insists on using 6 Riptides, just figure out how to hammer him...

Yeah gotta talk to him about his list and how your not really having fun, honestly ask him if he has fun with overwhelming victories.

If you go to his level you both will not have fun and just have silly armies that you guys probably will not enjoy.

If all else comes to fail, I think there is no shame in simply informing your friend you do not want to play against that list no more because its really powerful. I personally prefer to change my list if my opponent says he/she does not feel like they will beat it and am glad I have friends who will do the same. When I play 40k, I want to be challenged, but its no fun when I feel like I can't win.

Problem is we've talked about multiple times and his attitude towards Riptides is: "They're strong but not OP" while at the same time he likes that "They always shoot a lot of stuff", which to me seems contradictory.

He just thinks it's fun. I agree that shooting a lot of stuff is fun because that's kind of the point of thegame, but having X str8 ap2 pie-plates flyig at you every turn becomes rather boring when there's little you can do about it.

Did you explain to him that it isn't fun for you?

Well maybe he likes giant robots.

The manly way is to rush them with Khorne Berzerkers in Land Raiders or something, if you can just win a combat round the riptide is toast.

#givingoodadvice

For starters, tell him that the R'Varna has experimental rules and is obviously overpowered, and that you'd like to wait until they are 40k approved. Thats a pretty good rules standing to get him to tone it down.

Secondly, just talk to the guy, tell him that those lists are not fun for you to play against. Now, 3 Riptides can be tough, but can be overcome. 3 Riptides and 3 R'Varna is just down right ridiculous and very few lists could ever handle it. This coming from a guy who runs Farsight Enclave and Triptide competitively.

If you feel like being petty, just go Unbound and stick a Transcendent C'Tan on the table every time he brings out the R'Varnas. Actually, put a greater Daemon down, and say its a counts asT'C'Tan.

The best option is to talk to the guy. The best standing is that R'Varnas are Experimental and have obviously broken rules. The worst option, is just go Unbound and stick a Transcendent C'Tan on the table everytime he puts R'Varnas down.

Yeah, kinda hard to escalate from there, he kitted himself to the max.

Have a talk and remind that one can take-on something overpowered so many times and then it is done, no more, forget it beating head on wall is ovah!

Yeah, had a "friend" who's response was "don't tell me what I can or cannot play, that is what rules are for!" so if he is "competitive" and a little delusional, you may have difficulty.

I've posted the solution several times before for situation just like this.

1. Find your local Anachronistic Society, the guys who dress up in full plate. Find someone who is a dwarf.
2. Convince him to bring full plate to the game, then decorate him with imperial symbols or chaos symbols in your case.
3. Say you've set the table up before he shows up and tell him you have a new model.
4. When he arrives , and sets up and it's your first assault face. Scream " ATTTTTTTTTACK' at this point your dwarf friend in miniature plate mail will charge forward with his very real broadsword and with a few quick strokes decimate his army.
5. Have your friend read with a camera, then after decimating his army have the dwarf run leaping into the air and at the same time high five you. Take the picture.
6. Mail the picture to his mom and begin your seduction.
7.Court his mother, wooing her you would eventually marry her and become his step dad.
8. Once you are his step dad, declare that no son of mine is going to play Tau
9. Take his models out and make him watch you burn them on the frontlawn, then hand him a football.
10. Have the Dwarf there to high five the dwarf again after you burn his models.


There you go ten easy steps for dealing with your friends being dicks at little space men.

You could also play smaller games. I mean, 3 Riptides and 3 R'Varna comes out to what, about 1350 points with no upgrades?

Unless he's playing Unbound, that leaves 150-650 points for an HQ and 2 Troops (depending on point limit).

 Zagman wrote:
If you feel like being petty, just go Unbound and stick a Transcendent C'Tan on the table every time he brings out the R'Varnas.

Take a bunch its unbound

But if he is taking that much and if talking does fail. landraider spam would work ok i feel. the fw one cant hurt them and the GW ones need to ether nova over charge or be close to pen it.

my 2 cents

3 Riptides and 3 Ultra-Riptides. Ouch.

Just gonna chime in and say that yeah, you've just gotta try and explain to him how it isn't fun for you to play against such a list. If he still doesn't change after that then I guess stop playing against him and every time he asks why you repeat that it isn't fun for you.

After some time not playing with you he might realise that it's more fun to play with an army that is less powerful than to have a super-powerful army that doesn't get to play.

And Riptides are definitely OP for their points cost.


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Hollismason wrote:
I've posted the solution several times before for situation just like this.

1. Find your local Anachronistic Society, the guys who dress up in full plate. Find someone who is a dwarf.
2. Convince him to bring full plate to the game, then decorate him with imperial symbols or chaos symbols in your case.
3. Say you've set the table up before he shows up and tell him you have a new model.
4. When he arrives , and sets up and it's your first assault face. Scream " ATTTTTTTTTACK' at this point your dwarf friend in miniature plate mail will charge forward with his very real broadsword and with a few quick strokes decimate his army.
5. Have your friend read with a camera, then after decimating his army have the dwarf run leaping into the air and at the same time high five you. Take the picture.
6. Mail the picture to his mom and begin your seduction.
7.Court his mother, wooing her you would eventually marry her and become his step dad.
8. Once you are his step dad, declare that no son of mine is going to play Tau
9. Take his models out and make him watch you burn them on the frontlawn, then hand him a football.
10. Have the Dwarf there to high five the dwarf again after you burn his models.


There you go ten easy steps for dealing with your friends being dicks at little space men.

Exalted.

Hollismason wrote:
I've posted the solution several times before for situation just like this.

1. Find your local Anachronistic Society, the guys who dress up in full plate. Find someone who is a dwarf.
2. Convince him to bring full plate to the game, then decorate him with imperial symbols or chaos symbols in your case.
3. Say you've set the table up before he shows up and tell him you have a new model.
4. When he arrives , and sets up and it's your first assault face. Scream " ATTTTTTTTTACK' at this point your dwarf friend in miniature plate mail will charge forward with his very real broadsword and with a few quick strokes decimate his army.
5. Have your friend read with a camera, then after decimating his army have the dwarf run leaping into the air and at the same time high five you. Take the picture.
6. Mail the picture to his mom and begin your seduction.
7.Court his mother, wooing her you would eventually marry her and become his step dad.
8. Once you are his step dad, declare that no son of mine is going to play Tau
9. Take his models out and make him watch you burn them on the frontlawn, then hand him a football.
10. Have the Dwarf there to high five the dwarf again after you burn his models.


There you go ten easy steps for dealing with your friends being dicks at little space men.

This should work.

just make the game really unfun and boring for him. Take as many cultists as possible, proxying as much as possible. Take forever to set up, take forever on each turn, moving/thinking/changing mind/moving again etc. Just basically do nothing. Make the gun so unfun for him that he won;t want to play that list anymore.

Or dameon spam the heck out of him

If he claims that 6 riptides are not overpowered then:

- Consider keeping track of your win/loss records and the VPs in each game you play. Pointing out that he's tabled you five of the last six times is going to counter his 'riptides aren't strong' argument

- Challenge him to take your army and beat you playing his 6 riptides. Once he sees how it feels he may change his tune.

- If nothing else works, just don't play him.

Typhus
210 Plague Zombies (6 squads of 35)

No vehicles, just foot slog them the entire way, measuring distance for each individual model. After 45 minutes to an hour on your first Movement phase, he'll probably realize that this game is no fun. Look him straight in the eye and say "Now you know how I feel playing against six riptides."

Thats so overpowered its insane. Talk to him, surely he has to realise that's that's a pretty brutal list he,s built up.

Know anyone with a chaos emperor class titan?
That would end his riptide spam :-)

I don't have a Chaos Emperor Class Titan, but I do have a cat.

He has his own rules and everything. Long story short, the cat always wins.

Land Raiders, unmarked sorcerers on a bike, plague marines.

PMs in the raiders, hide behind LRs, use the telekinesis dome thing, whatever it is that gives units a invuln.

On the land raiders have the screaming things that prevent overwatch and the blades.

PMs can mess up riptides, LRs with an invuln will keep you alive.

Poison messes up Riptides.

There is nothing inherently wrong with wanting to have good units in your list.
There is also nothing inherently wrong with not wanting to fight a list you can't beat.

That being said if you got your Khorne Lord with his axe into combat with one he would tear it to pieces.

Or you can just spam invisibility and go first. R'Varna can't hurt something that is invisible and especially IA Riptides can't do any damage. Do it 2 Turns in a row, multiassault and Sweep. Rinse wash repeat.

Or just take Belekor for guaranteed Invisibility and Shrouding. Shrouding put Belekor and Bikes at a 2+ Cover. Invisibility makes the bikes Immune to R'Varna. Assault, Sweep, Repeat. Just make sure to hit his AA pronto, and he can't have that much of it with all those Riptides and R'Varnas. Make sure and take Duplicate Units if possible.

use the telekinesis dome thing, whatever it is that gives units a invuln.

This actually is a pretty good plan, but CSM have zero access to TK powers. Womp.

Horus

LordSolar wrote:
Horus

I doubt even Horus could stand up to 6 Riptides.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

LordSolar wrote:
Horus

I doubt even Horus could stand up to 6 Riptides.

I agree. But it would he would a) be a bullet/plasma magnet B) smush anything he touched and finally c) the psychological impact

Sell your CSM, start Tau, purchase seven riptides, proceed to forge a narrative all over his puny sixtide list.

Once you are his step dad, declare that no son of mine is going to play Tau

Ahaha just go with this