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The FAQ to the GK states that:
Unless otherwise stated, all nemesis weapons are unusual force weapons, as stated in the wh40k rules.

Unusual Force Weapons – rules 7th edition
Many models have unusual force weapons that have one or more unique rules. If a force weapon has its own unique close combat rules, treat it as an AP3 Melee weapon with the additional rules and characteristics presented in its entry.

They have listed the weapon profile for the demon hammer in the FAQ, gving it str x2 and AP 2.

So all other nemesis force weapons are then AP3, or have I missed something?

But what about strength modifiers? will a nemesis force sword have user str, a halberd +1 str and a warding stave +2 str as listed under force weapons in the WH40k rules?

I can not seem to find an answer to this, so I hope I can get som help from you guys.

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If a model simply has a "Force Weapon" you look at the model to determine the type of weapon.

If the model has a Force Weapon with special rules, it is effectively a Force Sword with the extra rules. So a Nemesis Force Halberd would be

Range:-
Strength : User
AP: 3
Type: Melee, +2 Initiative

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You posted the answer to your question right there in your quote from the rulebook:

... with the additional rules and characteristics presented in its entry.


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Unusual Force Weapons, of which GK force weapons are, are all STR User AP 3 except the hammer which has its own stat line in the FAQ

No other modifiers, other than what the GK codex says for that weapon

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Thanks alot for the replies!

Ghaz wrote:You posted the answer to your question right there in your quote from the rulebook:

... with the additional rules and characteristics presented in its entry.



I can not find any information about possible str modifiers in its entry, just the additional rules.

WrentheFaceless wrote:Unusual Force Weapons, of which GK force weapons are, are all STR User AP 3 except the hammer which has its own stat line in the FAQ

No other modifiers, other than what the GK codex says for that weapon


Where can I read that they are all STR User? I cant seem to find it in the rules or the GK codex.

If the model has a Force Weapon with special rules, it is effectively a Force Sword with the extra rules.


can not find this sentence either...
   
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They are force weapons with additional rules. So follow the stat line for the applicable force weapon and use the extra Nemesis rules.
   
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Lurgojf wrote:
Thanks alot for the replies!

Ghaz wrote:You posted the answer to your question right there in your quote from the rulebook:

... with the additional rules and characteristics presented in its entry.



I can not find any information about possible str modifiers in its entry, just the additional rules.

WrentheFaceless wrote:Unusual Force Weapons, of which GK force weapons are, are all STR User AP 3 except the hammer which has its own stat line in the FAQ

No other modifiers, other than what the GK codex says for that weapon


Where can I read that they are all STR User? I cant seem to find it in the rules or the GK codex.

If the model has a Force Weapon with special rules, it is effectively a Force Sword with the extra rules.


can not find this sentence either...


Page 54 covers Nemesis force weapons says that they are all Str user (By virtue of them being Force weapons as detailed in the 40k Rulebook). It also says they are a Force weapon (Check the box for the heading "Force Weapon"), it also says they have one or more abilities (Check the box for the heading "Further Abilities") on page 54.

This page will answer both questions.



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Fragile wrote:
They are force weapons with additional rules. So follow the stat line for the applicable force weapon and use the extra Nemesis rules.


This isn't true. They are Unusual Force Weapons, not Force Weapons
A Nemesis Force Halberd is NOT AP2, though a Force Halberd would be, as it falls under the type Axe.


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Lurgojf wrote:
Thanks alot for the replies!

Ghaz wrote:You posted the answer to your question right there in your quote from the rulebook:

... with the additional rules and characteristics presented in its entry.



I can not find any information about possible str modifiers in its entry, just the additional rules.

WrentheFaceless wrote:Unusual Force Weapons, of which GK force weapons are, are all STR User AP 3 except the hammer which has its own stat line in the FAQ

No other modifiers, other than what the GK codex says for that weapon


Where can I read that they are all STR User? I cant seem to find it in the rules or the GK codex.

If the model has a Force Weapon with special rules, it is effectively a Force Sword with the extra rules.


can not find this sentence either...


Look up Force Weapons in the BRB, it mentions Unusual Force weapons profiles there.

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Lurgojf wrote:
Thanks alot for the replies!

Ghaz wrote:You posted the answer to your question right there in your quote from the rulebook:

... with the additional rules and characteristics presented in its entry.


I can not find any information about possible str modifiers in its entry, just the additional rules.

Which would mean that it doesn't have any strength modifiers.

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 Elric Greywolf wrote:
Fragile wrote:
They are force weapons with additional rules. So follow the stat line for the applicable force weapon and use the extra Nemesis rules.


This isn't true. They are Unusual Force Weapons, not Force Weapons
A Nemesis Force Halberd is NOT AP2, though a Force Halberd would be, as it falls under the type Axe.



Actually they are Force Weapons because the GK Codex says they are Force Weapons. They are Unusual Force Weapons because they all have additional rules attached to them in the codex and as per the BRB entry on Unusual Force Weapons we find out that the Nemesis Force Weapons fall into the Unusual Force Weapons category.

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 DeathReaper wrote:
 Elric Greywolf wrote:
Fragile wrote:
They are force weapons with additional rules. So follow the stat line for the applicable force weapon and use the extra Nemesis rules.


This isn't true. They are Unusual Force Weapons, not Force Weapons
A Nemesis Force Halberd is NOT AP2, though a Force Halberd would be, as it falls under the type Axe.



Actually they are Force Weapons because the GK Codex says they are Force Weapons. They are Unusual Force Weapons because they all have additional rules attached to them in the codex and as per the BRB entry on Unusual Force Weapons we find out that the Nemesis Force Weapons fall into the Unusual Force Weapons category.


Technically the FAQ makes them Unusual Force Weapons

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 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Technically the FAQ makes them Unusual Force Weapons


The FAQ clarifies that they are Unusual Force Weapons.

The FAQ did not change any rules concerning Nemesis force weapons.

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Thanks alot guys, I quess this is the way to think about it, if I managed to understand you correctly.

As the unusual force weapon rules does not state anything about str modifiers and that the nemesis forceweapons do not have a weapon profile (except the hammer) they are then considered a normal close combat weapon with a modification to the AP as listen in the unusual force weapons rules. (In addition they have the special rules listed in the GK codex).

Did I get that right?
   
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Lurgojf wrote:
Thanks alot guys, I quess this is the way to think about it, if I managed to understand you correctly.

As the unusual force weapon rules does not state anything about str modifiers and that the nemesis forceweapons do not have a weapon profile (except the hammer) they are then considered a normal close combat weapon with a modification to the AP as listen in the unusual force weapons rules. (In addition they have the special rules listed in the GK codex).

Did I get that right?


Mostly. The Nemesis Force Weapons have the Force Psychic Power as well.

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Since there's only like 3 or 4 nemesis force weapon entries, couldn't they just make a tiny chart instead of having us bounce between rulebooks trying to figure it out?
   
 
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